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I would second the idea to go larger since your budget allows! Actually, I have an I color princess, and it''s really beautiful; it faces up much whiter because of the ideal cut. So G is definitely doable, and even H-I if you really wanted to maximize size. I like the ones that jet posted, especially the first - great find!
 
Hey all. I haven''t been able to get IS or ASET images on any of the rocks I''ve been looking at since a lot of places don''t have in house pics and will charge if I don''t buy the diamond (and I would like to see several, which in turn will require multiple charges) and I''d like to avoid that unless I''m really sure of the diamond. Any suggestions?
 
Date: 7/9/2009 12:24:16 PM
Author: dclumes
Hey all. I haven''t been able to get IS or ASET images on any of the rocks I''ve been looking at since a lot of places don''t have in house pics and will charge if I don''t buy the diamond (and I would like to see several, which in turn will require multiple charges) and I''d like to avoid that unless I''m really sure of the diamond. Any suggestions?
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Are you having problems getting IS from James Allen?

There are several vendors that post ASET images for their in house stones--Whiteflash, Good Old Gold and High Performance Diamonds come to mind first. Lorelei provided links to their websites on the first page of the thread.
 
Date: 7/9/2009 12:38:15 PM
Author: jet2ks

Date: 7/9/2009 12:24:16 PM
Author: dclumes
Hey all. I haven''t been able to get IS or ASET images on any of the rocks I''ve been looking at since a lot of places don''t have in house pics and will charge if I don''t buy the diamond (and I would like to see several, which in turn will require multiple charges) and I''d like to avoid that unless I''m really sure of the diamond. Any suggestions?
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Are you having problems getting IS from James Allen?

There are several vendors that post ASET images for their in house stones--Whiteflash, Good Old Gold and High Performance Diamonds come to mind first. Lorelei provided links to their websites on the first page of the thread.
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I haven''t had issues with JA. It was a couple of others. I have been looking at (and considering) stones from the vendors Lorelei directed me to, but also found some items on other sites as well which I couldn''t find with those four. Abazias, Solomon are a couple that come to mind.
 
Date: 7/9/2009 1:35:15 PM
Author: dclumes

Date: 7/9/2009 12:38:15 PM
Author: jet2ks


Date: 7/9/2009 12:24:16 PM
Author: dclumes
Hey all. I haven''t been able to get IS or ASET images on any of the rocks I''ve been looking at since a lot of places don''t have in house pics and will charge if I don''t buy the diamond (and I would like to see several, which in turn will require multiple charges) and I''d like to avoid that unless I''m really sure of the diamond. Any suggestions?
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Are you having problems getting IS from James Allen?

There are several vendors that post ASET images for their in house stones--Whiteflash, Good Old Gold and High Performance Diamonds come to mind first. Lorelei provided links to their websites on the first page of the thread.
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I haven''t had issues with JA. It was a couple of others. I have been looking at (and considering) stones from the vendors Lorelei directed me to, but also found some items on other sites as well which I couldn''t find with those four. Abazias, Solomon are a couple that come to mind.
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I don''t think Abazias and Soloman provide any images regrettably.
 
Date: 7/14/2009 1:24:38 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 7/14/2009 1:03:01 PM
Author: dclumes
I received the IS for the 1.54 G/VS2. I''ve attached it below. Here''s the link for the stone. I haven''t received the IS on the other stone yet. Thanks for any input you can give!!

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?find=1&cid=130&item=1178843
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It looks good!
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If you have the time, can you let me know what it basically is showing? lol. I read the tutorials but still cannot put much faith in whatever analysis I may give to it.

Also, any obvious drawbacks to it? Like I said, still waiting on the second image...
 
Date: 7/14/2009 1:33:59 PM
Author: dclumes


Date: 7/14/2009 1:24:38 PM
Author: Lorelei



Date: 7/14/2009 1:03:01 PM
Author: dclumes
I received the IS for the 1.54 G/VS2. I've attached it below. Here's the link for the stone. I haven't received the IS on the other stone yet. Thanks for any input you can give!!

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?find=1&cid=130&item=1178843
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It looks good!
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If you have the time, can you let me know what it basically is showing? lol. I read the tutorials but still cannot put much faith in whatever analysis I may give to it.

Also, any obvious drawbacks to it? Like I said, still waiting on the second image...
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Yes of course, this is an excellent tutorial for ASET and IS.

http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=education-performance

Basically with IS what we are looking for is light leakage, this shows as light or dark patches in the image. With the IS above you can see there is no major leakage which is light escaping from the diamond, the light seems to be coming from the diamond fairly evenly which is what we want. ASET is better for fancy shapes as it tells you more, but as IS images go for Princess, this is a nice example.
 
Date: 7/14/2009 2:03:48 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 7/14/2009 1:48:22 PM
Author: dclumes
Thanks! Here is the other IS. It is for the 1.30 E/SI1 found here:

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?find=1&cid=130&item=1224702

It''s been confirmed as being eye clean.
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This is another good image. And you are most welcome!
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If I''m looking to buy soon, do you think that either one is a good bet? Or do you think there are others out there I should be able to find that are better? I think the price on the 1.54 increased recently, to the point of the very upper end of what I would want to spend, while the 1.3 is below what I was looking to spend. There''s a difference of about 3K between the two.
 
Date: 7/14/2009 2:12:17 PM
Author: dclumes

Date: 7/14/2009 2:03:48 PM
Author: Lorelei


Date: 7/14/2009 1:48:22 PM
Author: dclumes
Thanks! Here is the other IS. It is for the 1.30 E/SI1 found here:

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?find=1&cid=130&item=1224702

It''s been confirmed as being eye clean.
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This is another good image. And you are most welcome!
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If I''m looking to buy soon, do you think that either one is a good bet? Or do you think there are others out there I should be able to find that are better? I think the price on the 1.54 increased recently, to the point of the very upper end of what I would want to spend, while the 1.3 is below what I was looking to spend. There''s a difference of about 3K between the two.
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Either could be great choices, it depends on budget and preference..
 
Both look good - not perfect, but really not bad at all. I think from both the IS and the pic, I prefer the 1.30 E/SI1. However, it''s a substantially smaller stone by the dimensions. It''s now up to you to decide what you prefer more...a smaller stone with higher color and slightly lower clarity, or a larger stone with lower color and higher clarity? Which "personality" do you prefer...broader, chunkier facets (the 1.3, a 3-chevron stone), or smaller, "crushed ice" facets (the 1.54, a 4-chevron stone)? I like 3 chevrons myself.
 
Sorry for the double post, but I came back to look at these again, and for some reason I''m becoming a lot more drawn to the E. I think it''s the optical symmetry. If it were me, I''d save a bit of cash and go for the smaller 1.30 E, especially with the recent price increase on the 1.54 G. The G is still a contender, especially if your girlfriend is really big on size (the spread is really good on that one). But I''ll take symmetry over size!
 
Date: 7/14/2009 5:14:20 PM
Author: jstarfireb
Both look good - not perfect, but really not bad at all. I think from both the IS and the pic, I prefer the 1.30 E/SI1. However, it's a substantially smaller stone by the dimensions. It's now up to you to decide what you prefer more...a smaller stone with higher color and slightly lower clarity, or a larger stone with lower color and higher clarity? Which 'personality' do you prefer...broader, chunkier facets (the 1.3, a 3-chevron stone), or smaller, 'crushed ice' facets (the 1.54, a 4-chevron stone)? I like 3 chevrons myself.
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what do you mean? I haven't come across that language before so it's hard for me to visualize it.

Re your second post, with the 1.3 v 1.5 - I know my girlfriend would prefer a little larger, but she has also said she would prefer smaller and better quality than larger and have noticeable inclusions.

I thought the dimensions on the 1.3 were a bit smaller than what I had usually seen 1.3's hanging around, and that concerned me a bit. Part of me thinks (a) just buy one already! and the other part thinks, (b) try to get something similar to the 1.3 but a higher clarity. I'm not overly concerned with getting something huge, but I would like something in between 1.3 and 1.5 if possible, and haven't found very much.

Oh, and I just checked JA, and the 1.54 is now $300 less than what I was quoted via email, so I think it is now closer to affordable and not breaking the bank. but my impression from posts was that although these are good stones, I could possibly find something better?
 
Here is a GOG video showing different princess looks and might help you see what jstar is talking about.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/videos/AGSPr2chev3chev.wmv

A stone with broader facets will throw fewer larger flashes of light, both white and colored. A stone with smaller faceting will throw more smaller flashes. The video actually compares a 2 chevron to a 3 chevron, but the principle applies to a greater extent with a 4 chevron.
 
Date: 7/16/2009 6:37:33 PM
Author: dclumes
Date: 7/14/2009 5:14:20 PM

Author: jstarfireb

Both look good - not perfect, but really not bad at all. I think from both the IS and the pic, I prefer the 1.30 E/SI1. However, it's a substantially smaller stone by the dimensions. It's now up to you to decide what you prefer more...a smaller stone with higher color and slightly lower clarity, or a larger stone with lower color and higher clarity? Which 'personality' do you prefer...broader, chunkier facets (the 1.3, a 3-chevron stone), or smaller, 'crushed ice' facets (the 1.54, a 4-chevron stone)? I like 3 chevrons myself.
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what do you mean? I haven't come across that language before so it's hard for me to visualize it.

Re your second post, with the 1.3 v 1.5 - I know my girlfriend would prefer a little larger, but she has also said she would prefer smaller and better quality than larger and have noticeable inclusions.

I thought the dimensions on the 1.3 were a bit smaller than what I had usually seen 1.3's hanging around, and that concerned me a bit. Part of me thinks (a) just buy one already! and the other part thinks, (b) try to get something similar to the 1.3 but a higher clarity. I'm not overly concerned with getting something huge, but I would like something in between 1.3 and 1.5 if possible, and haven't found very much.

Oh, and I just checked JA, and the 1.54 is now $300 less than what I was quoted via email, so I think it is now closer to affordable and not breaking the bank. but my impression from posts was that although these are good stones, I could possibly find something better?
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Well, my first impression is that there's a little more leakage than I prefer in both, but the asymmetry of the leakage pattern in the first stone would drive me crazy. But that's more of a "mind" issue for me than a visual one...meaning that I'm not sure you would perceive the asymmetry with the naked eye. Both are going to be really pretty stones, much better than the average princess...I'm just not sure if they would make ideal cut by AGS standards.

Regarding the 3 vs. 4 chevrons, there's a helpful video from Jon of GOG that explains the difference. Basically, it's a choice between more/smaller flashes of light and fewer/larger flashes. Neither is better; it's down to personal preference. I'll try to search for the video...

ETA: Jet beat me to the video!

ETA2: So I think I know what really draws me more to the 1.3...not just the symmetry, but the contrast. The pattern of return vs. leakage vs. obstruction as well as the picture lead me to believe that the contrast pattern of that stone will be very pretty. Sorry I've had so much trouble putting my finger on it...but definitely the 1.3 is my pick.
 
Date: 7/16/2009 7:01:11 PM
Author: jstarfireb

ETA: Jet beat me to the video!
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Date: 7/16/2009 7:05:51 PM
Author: jet2ks
Date: 7/16/2009 7:01:11 PM

Author: jstarfireb

ETA: Jet beat me to the video!
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ROFL!!!

I''m too wordy to be quick.
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Anyway, jet, which stone would be your fave?
 
I think the 1.54 has better overall light return, but I am a broad ''n chunky guy (in diamonds, not physique--yet) so I would pick the 1.3. That is totally personal preference, though.
 
You two are hillarious!!!
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New question: It seems that GOG and JA are two companies that can provide information other than the cert up front. Other companies will require the return fee if they call in the diamond, take pics, and I don''t purchase the diamond. I haven''t been finding anything in high perf. diamonds in my price range. I am still actively looking in both JA and GOG, but any other site recommendations where they will provide either IS/ASET/etc images w/o requiring fee if don''t buy stone? I fear I will end up looking at quite a few before making my decision.
 
WF if they have the stones in house.

Highperformacediamond.

Exceldiamond.
 
Date: 7/20/2009 12:38:37 PM
Author: dclumes
New question: It seems that GOG and JA are two companies that can provide information other than the cert up front. Other companies will require the return fee if they call in the diamond, take pics, and I don't purchase the diamond. I haven't been finding anything in high perf. diamonds in my price range. I am still actively looking in both JA and GOG, but any other site recommendations where they will provide either IS/ASET/etc images w/o requiring fee if don't buy stone? I fear I will end up looking at quite a few before making my decision.
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Here are some more trusted vendor links for you to check out.

www.highperformancediamonds.com

www.briangavindiamonds.com

www.niceice.com

www.whiteflash.com

www.exceldiamonds.com
 
It does look nice! Definitely worth checking out.

Medium to strong fluor is usually nothing to worry about, as the milky/oily effect is rare (strong fluor is actually desirable to me). But you won''t notice any effect at all with faint, good OR bad.
 
Ya, no worries with faint blue. Looks like a promising stone to me.
 
Thanks! It was less weight than the others I had been looking at but the size dimensions were larger than a lot of the 1.35ish that I came across. While I was working with a local jeweler I came across a stone which had MB fluor, and when I compared it to another with no fluorescence under a natural sun light type machine (i''m sure you know what I''m talking about), I was noticing a cloudyish/hazy appearance to the stone such that I couldn''t see clearly through it. The jeweler attributed that to the fluorescence, and I didn''t want to come across that again personally.

I''ll post the picture when I get it. Thanks!
 
Viewpoint on position that non-eyeclean SI''s with optimal light performance will mask the inclusions?

My concern is that GF has specifically said she''s more concerned with clarity and wouldn''t really want to see inclusions in exchange for a larger stone.
 
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