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I am looking to get a princess cut diamond and my budget is $5000 for the entire ring. The best option that I could come across was on Abazias which is http://www.abazias.com/database/NewDiamondInfo.asp?stock=36080584.
Can someone suggest if this is good or should I consider some other website or any other diamond in that range. The symmetary seems only good, but is that a big thing to look for even though they have listed the cut as ideal
Any help is much appreciated, my engagement is 3 weeks away and need a ring before that.
Thanks
 
You either very good or excellent of ideal symmetry.
 
Hi deal,

In my opinion, you can do better. Drop color and clarity some and you can get a great cut in the same size.

Try this one, it''s less money, almost perfectly square (the one you picked isn''t), the same size as the other one (actually bigger) and an AGS000 to boot. That ensures a pretty diamond.

An H should be fine, but need to ask if eyeclean.


http://204.17.89.15/diamond/3187/

Bankwire price is 3855.44.
 
You can definately drop down in color and clarity without sacrificing beauty. And be able to get a bigger better cut that the stone you suggested probably. My last stone was a princess cut and the length to width ratio was 1:5 and for me that was NOT square enough. Keep and eye on that when looking for princess cuts. Cut is hugely important, that AGS000 seems like a GREAT option!
 
Wow, that''s one of the smallest tables I''ve seen on a princess. That should make for a heckuva lot of fire!

I have a Whiteflash ACA Princess, about 1ct, I, VVS2. Here''s a link to mine:
http://www.whiteflash.com/aca_princess/A-Cut-Above-Princess-cut-diamond-231916.htm#

It was under $5000 mainly because of the I color. There are varying opinions on I princesses around here, but as far as mine goes, I''m very satisfied. I can see a tiny bit of warmth from the sides, but it doesn''t bother me.

Here''s a nice looking I princess (need to ask for pics, IS, and ASET though):
http://www.whiteflash.com/aca_princess/A-Cut-Above-Princess-cut-diamond-312221.htm#

And here''s an H that will push your budget a bit, but with the PS discount and maybe a simple white gold solitaire setting like the Tiffany-style one, it shouldn''t be too much over:
http://www.whiteflash.com/aca_princess/A-Cut-Above-Princess-cut-diamond-312225.htm

I''d also consider an X-factor diamond, which is just a princess with the corners cut off. It will be more durable (no worries about corners chipping) and look slightly bigger for the carat weight than a regular princess. Here''s an H/VS2 for example:
http://www.whiteflash.com/xfactor/X-Factor-cut-diamond-168644.htm
You may want to watch out for that "extremely thin" girdle - I don''t know enough to know if that''s too easily breakable.
 
Thanks for all the replies. Everyone has been talking about whiteflash, is that the only website where I can find the AGS diamonds, or is there any other website?
Also, I was looking at the X factor diamonds, are those better than the regular princess cut diamonds I can find online on other websites. I am still stuck with the color, since all the dealers have been pushing me on the color and the cut, and no one has talked about the AGS, is it better to go with AGS which has H or I color as compared to a diamond which has a D or an E color. Thanks for all your help.
 
Date: 6/12/2007 12:51:04 AM
Author: dealmaestro10
Thanks for all the replies. Everyone has been talking about whiteflash, is that the only website where I can find the AGS diamonds, or is there any other website?
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You can easily see others on the search by cut db here (above under prices). GOG participates...and this is one you might check out.

Also, see exceldiamonds.com, the infinity vendors, and Blue Nile as other AGS0 options.
 
Date: 6/11/2007 8:01:54 PM
Author:dealmaestro10
I am looking to get a princess cut diamond and my budget is $5000 for the entire ring. The best option that I could come across was on Abazias which is http://www.abazias.com/database/NewDiamondInfo.asp?stock=36080584.
Can someone suggest if this is good or should I consider some other website or any other diamond in that range. The symmetary seems only good, but is that a big thing to look for even though they have listed the cut as ideal
Any help is much appreciated, my engagement is 3 weeks away and need a ring before that.
Thanks
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That stone was one of my choices but i didnt go for it as when i looked at the gia cert in more detail or rather it was pointed out to me that there were many differant inclusions feather,cloud,natural,needle and an extra facet which really put me off the stone and i opted for one that just had 1 tiny crystal. Abazias did have the stone in there offices on friday so they may still have it not sure how long they keep it.

If you want to see the cert have a look here
 
Is it better to go with a color D clarity VS1 with a premium cut, or an H color with SI1 but a cut above princess from whiteflash?
 
If eyeclean, I''d go with the ACA H SI1.
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Date: 6/12/2007 12:14:09 PM
Author: Ellen
If eyeclean, I''d go with the ACA H SI1.
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ditto.
 
I need to get the ring ASAP, can someone please suggest what is the best ring to go for in my $5000 budget, princess cut and about 1 carat.
Thanks for all the help. The more I am reading, the more confused I am getting about whether to go for a better color or a better cut, coz everyone has been saying that the more I go down with color like H or J, I would be able to see the yellowness in the stone. Can someone please suggest from their experiences, what diamond is the best to go for in my budget and which site if possible.
Thanks a lot
 
Date: 6/13/2007 2:40:00 PM
Author: dealmaestro10
I need to get the ring ASAP, can someone please suggest what is the best ring to go for in my $5000 budget, princess cut and about 1 carat.
Thanks for all the help. The more I am reading, the more confused I am getting about whether to go for a better color or a better cut, coz everyone has been saying that the more I go down with color like H or J, I would be able to see the yellowness in the stone. Can someone please suggest from their experiences, what diamond is the best to go for in my budget and which site if possible.
Thanks a lot
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Considering your budget, and the fact that you need some of it for the setting, I''d still recommend checking out the one from GOG that I gave a link for.

Call them, tell them you don''t want to see color, and ask them to look at it. They will be totally honest with you. Just let them know what you want, or not. Also ask if eyeclean.
 
AFter all the opinions I have narrowed my decision on these two diamonds, one is from goodoldgold.com and the other one is from whiteflash. THe only reason I was leaning towards the whiteflash one is that they set the ring, and if I don''t like it, I can return the entire ring, where as the goodoldgold is going to return only the stone and not the setting. Can someone please suggest which diamond should I go with.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3118/
http://www.whiteflash.com/princess/Princess-cut-diamond-262673.htm

My engagement is on the 29th, so I dont know if I will have time first to bring the diamond, and then to appraise it and then send it back for the ring, so thats why I liked the whiteflash''s return policy.
Please advise.

Thanks
 
deal, just my opinion, but this is too important to rush. Is it possible to "possibly" delay the proposal? that way you could have whatever sent to you to check out.

Did you call GOG and ask about the diamond? Is it what you are wanting color wise, clarity, etc.?

Is there a particular setting you want, or are you just getting something from wherever you get the diamond?
 
I called up GOG and asked about the eye clean, and they said that its eye clean. I am just going to go with a setting from the place I buy the diamond. In terms of color and clarity, I was initially looking at D and VS1, coz I was able to get that, but from the opinions I have got from the forum, everyone had been stressing more on the cut, so I am going for the best cut possible, but sacrificing on the color and clarity.
Ellen, I don''t think delaying the proposal is possible, it will have to be done on that day.
 
Ok, on the stone WF can get in, is it an AGS000? If so, it will be a pretty, though slightly off square stone. I don''t know if it''s enough to be noticable or not. If the answers to the quetions are yes and no, I''d get that and the setting from WF.

If the answers are different, I personally would get the stone from GOG and have it sent to WF for the setting. It''s not that big a deal, lots of people do it. And it doesn''t take that long.

I hope this helps, I don''t really know what else to tell you.
 
Ellen,

The diamond at Whiteflash has a cut grade of AGS Excellent 1, but the certificate number is AGS0008442706. Is is from the certificate number you get to know that its AGS000 or not?
Cut grade: AGS Excellent 1
Light performance: 0
Proportion Factors: 0
Finish: 1

Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Excellent

Color Grade: AGS 1.5 (G)
Clarity Grade: AGS 4 (VS2)

Carat Weight: 1.014 cts

Flueroscence: Negligible

Measurements: 5.53 X 5.37 X 3.89 mm
 
Ok, I was wanting to know if it was light performance graded, and it is. Looking at everything, this should be a pretty stone. The only question now is whether it looks square. Have someone eyeball it. After you hear about that, it''s up to you on whether you want it or not.
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deal, did you decide which one to get?
 
Date: 6/14/2007 3:46:26 PM
Author: dealmaestro10
Ellen,


The diamond at Whiteflash has a cut grade of AGS Excellent 1, but the certificate number is AGS0008442706. Is is from the certificate number you get to know that its AGS000 or not?

Cut grade: AGS Excellent 1

Light performance: 0

Proportion Factors: 0

Finish: 1


Polish: Ideal

Symmetry: Excellent


Color Grade: AGS 1.5 (G)

Clarity Grade: AGS 4 (VS2)


Carat Weight: 1.014 cts


Flueroscence: Negligible


Measurements: 5.53 X 5.37 X 3.89 mm
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AGS000 refers to the cut grade. Yours is 001 (got docked points for "finish"), meaning that it''s not an AGS "ideal" but "excellent" as you already mentioned. It should still be a pretty stone and may be a good deal. G/VS2 is a nice combo for princesses and usually commands a higher price than what WF is asking for. Ask for a picture, ideal scope, and ASET images from WF. I don''t think the squareness will be too much of an issue. I have a 5.50x5.38 princess, and it''s not visually different from a perfect square.

I''m concerned that the Good Old Gold diamond may not be eye-clean, otherwise I''d go for the H/SI1 because it''s AGS Ideal.

Also, with a reputable seller like WF or GOG, you can probably feel comfortable not getting the diamond appraised before it''s set. I didn''t do it. You should definitely ask to see pictures though.
 
Date: 6/12/2007 12:51:04 AM
Author: dealmaestro10
Thanks for all the replies. Everyone has been talking about whiteflash, is that the only website where I can find the AGS diamonds, or is there any other website?

Also, I was looking at the X factor diamonds, are those better than the regular princess cut diamonds I can find online on other websites. I am still stuck with the color, since all the dealers have been pushing me on the color and the cut, and no one has talked about the AGS, is it better to go with AGS which has H or I color as compared to a diamond which has a D or an E color. Thanks for all your help.
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As far as I know, the X-factors are comparable to the Expert Selection princesses at WF. There''s no "ideal" cut grade for a cut-cornered stone like there is for a traditional princess, so they''re a little hard to compare. But they''re just gorgeous! Here''s a thread with some beautiful X-factors:
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/opinion-on-wf-x-factor.55989/

And here''s gladyskristen''s amazing F/SI2 X-factor:
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/wf-x-factor-0-591ct-f-si2-waiting-for-its-setting.63685/

The reason AGS is preferred here is that they have the highest standards for grading cut quality. Even GIA doesn''t measure up for cut. An AGS ideal means you''re getting the some of the best-cut diamonds out there. I''d go with the AGS H/I over a non-ideal D/E. It doesn''t matter what the color and clarity are if a bad cut makes a diamond look dull and lifeless! That said, if you can find a well-cut non-AGS diamond, go for it! It''s just harder to trust other labs'' cut gradings.
 
check with Mark at ERD as another excellent vendor. He''s very professional.
 
I finally decided to get the diamond from whiteflash, which was an AGS1 G and VS2. I was able to pricematch the dimaond with Abazias, but I didn''t like the fact that they didn''t have an upgrade policy, so decided to go with WF, got the setting from them as well.
I will get it this week and post how the diamond is. Thanks for all your help
 
Date: 6/17/2007 7:55:24 PM
Author: dealmaestro10
I finally decided to get the diamond from whiteflash, which was an AGS1 G and VS2. I was able to pricematch the dimaond with Abazias, but I didn''t like the fact that they didn''t have an upgrade policy, so decided to go with WF, got the setting from them as well.
I will get it this week and post how the diamond is. Thanks for all your help
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And please post pics if you can!
 
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