Question regarding indented naturals

[Sbay14]

I have a few questions for the experts about indented naturals. I am BRAND new of this and have been getting mixed opinions/emotions on this stone. GIA Report: https://yadav-certs.s3.amazonaws.com/2278478172.pdf

CT: 2.0
Round
Clarity: VS1
Cut: Excellent
Depth: 62.6
Table: 54
Crown angle: 34.5
Pavillion Angle: 40.6

The questions I have are about the size of the included naturals and will it effect the look even with it being a VS1 diamond, as well as it was brought to my attention (I didn't even notice it at first bc it seemed so small) the indented natural on the table of the diamond. The individuals selling me the diamond shared it was nothing to worry about but the folks at Rare Carat have addressed that there could be be a structural/damage issue in the future (risk of fracture).

It scores AWESOME (for what i believe on the HCA .9)

Can anyone of the experts help with their thoughts? Is the associate being overly worrysome/should I stay away from this stone or move forward?

Thansk again,

Sean

 

[Phoenix]

Well, I am no expert. But I had a look at the GIA report and think the indented naturals are mainly on the girdle and if I am reading the report correct one on the crown facets, not on the table as you've stated.

I've also seen indented naturals IRL. They are nothing to concern about, especially as in this case they are the third on the list of "inclusions" (whatever the correct term is) on a VS1 stone.

I'd be more concerned about the fact that this stone was clearly cut to reach the 2ct exactly mark. If this stone was to suffer even a minor chip for example, re-polishing it would most likely bring it down below 2ct and would therefore lower the "worth" of the stone significantly. You also have a thicker girdle retaining some of weight and only Very Good symmetry.

 

[Karl_K]

The biggest problem with indented naturals on the crown is that they can quickly be filled with oil, lotion and other gunk and it can make them eye visible.
That results in the need to clean the diamond often to keep the gunk at bay.
The one at the edge of the table would be the one most likely to get filled with gunk.
If it would make it eye visible can not be answered from a grading plot.

 

[Phoenix]

The biggest problem with indented naturals on the crown is that they can quickly be filled with oil, lotion and other gunk and it can make them eye visible.
That results in the need to clean the diamond often to keep the gunk at bay.
The one at the edge of the table would be the one most likely to get filled with gunk.
If it would make it eye visible can not be answered from a grading plot.

Karl, I suppose indented naturals come in all shapes and sizes? Each of the ones I saw IRL was flat, like it was another facet.

 

[tyty333]

but the folks at Rare Carat have addressed that there could be be a structural/damage issue in the future (risk of fracture).

Of course they are worried about it because they want you to buy one of their stones...

(I think the previous post have answered your question.)

Does the vendor have a good return policy in case the stone is not as expected? Make sure before you put your hard earned money out (any stone/any store).

 

[Karl_K]

Karl, I suppose indented naturals come in all shapes and sizes? Each of the ones I saw IRL was flat, like it was another facet.

Hi Phoenix,
Properly graded an indented natural by definition is indented.
In theory if it was flat it should be graded as a natural.
It is subjective and a judgement call on the graders part in some cases and in others it is clearly indented.
The grading plot does not give you any idea of how much it is indented.
The do indeed come in many different shapes sizes and depths.
It could be indented a tiny amount or a large amount.
I does not take a lot for it to be an area where gunk builds up more than others.

If it was just the ones on the edges I would not worry about it as much.

 

[Phoenix]

Thank you so much, @Karl_K . Your post is very informative, as always.

 

[Karl_K]

Thank you so much, @Karl_K . Your post is very informative, as always.

Your welcome!

 

[emeraldforolivia]

Your welcome!

Hi Karl, sorry I am post-stalking you... I could really use your advice on my emerald cuts. This is the link to their ASET images. https://www.pricescope.com/communit...me-choose-an-emerald-cut.236000/#post-4258183
I know that #1 looks the best on ASET. But I'm seriously considering #3 as it is the least expensive. But some say that it has a dead center as it is grey in that area. But it is not completely black/white. And #3 has nice symmetrical red step on the side. So for $19000, is #3 worth it? And for $25000, is #1 worth it? Thank you... in advance.

 

[Winks_Elf]

There's another issue to consider with indented naturals: whether or not you can FEEL it when it is set. I adore diamonds of all colors, cuts, and sizes. I can ignore many kinds of inclusions, but for me personally an indented natural is a deal breaker. If I find the area with my nail, and can feel it when the diamond is set, that will be the area that I obsess over and it will forever bother me.