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What a great forum and community you have here. I am hoping to propose to my GF in the not-too-distant future and have spent an inordinate amount of time researching diamonds over the last two weeks (granted, coming from a position of not even knowing the 4 C''s). This site has been an invaluable source of info since I discovered it last week.

My budget for the stone is $50-75K, and I have found two (I hope) very solid possibilities so far:

James Allen:
3.00 ct GIA Cert.
Cut/Polish/Symmetry: Ex/Ex/Ex
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Proportions: Pav. Ang: 40.8, Crown Ang: 34.5, Table: 56, Depth: 62
HCA: 1.3
Cost: $68,300

White Flash
3.1 GIA
Cut/Polish/Symmetry: EX/Ex/Ex
Color: F
Clarity VS2
Proportions: Pav. Ang: 40.8, Crown Ang.: 35, Table: 56, Depth: 61.3
HCA: 1.5
Cost: $70,741

As far as my own criteria for evaluating a diamond (in order of importance) based upon what I THINK is correct:
1. Proportions
2. Cut
3. Caret Weight
4. Color
5. Clarity

Thanks to the recommendation of some friends, as well as the input of the Forum''s own Sparkalicious, I will also be visiting a local vendor, Gemological Trading Corporation here in Seattle tomorrow.

I guess my first question is whether I have my priorities right in terms of evaluating the desirability of a particular stone? Also, do the specific stones I am considering look like good options in light of my priorities and budget? Finally, are there better options that would give more more bang for the buck without getting a stone with visible color or is not "eye clean"? Thanks!!!
 
They both look good on paper. Any chance of getting IS pics?

And if you want some bang for the buck, you could go to G at least, and SI1 if eyeclean, which many are.
 
Without any prejudice to either vendor, I prefer a diamond of 3.10ct weight to a 3.00ct weight. Just in case of a tiny chip developing at some point later on, the 3.10 would likely remain well above the 3.00ct magic weight and be a very minor loss for insurance or out of pocket. A 3.00ct diamond if chipped likely would lose .01ct or more and become less than the magic weight of 3ct. This creates a far larger financial loss and may make the wearer want a replacement instead of settling for a tiny repair. Its all in one''s head, but then again, what isn''t?

If one diamond is 3.00 and the other is 3.01, then its sort of a dead heat, but you typed 3.1 and I went with it.
 
i''m with oldminer. unless a stone is selling for a significant discount i wouldn''t consider a 3ct or a 3.01, with one exception. if the stone was extremely well cut and very clean si1 or si2 i could be swayed. the value proposition is still there if the stone was a borderline vs2.

good luck!
 
Ellen, great suggestion. I have asked for both IS pics and Sarin reports for both. Thanks for encouraging me to consider G''s and SI1''s. I checked out some EGL rated G''s and they seemed yellowish. But that was upside down against a white background next to E and F stones. In a setting, I doubt if it will be visible. Also, I understand from the article posted here that EGL, while perhaps stricter in grading clarity, is soft on color grades.

Oldminer and Rocks - I never even thought about the issue of potential chipping and the loss of caret weight. I am glad you pointed that out (and I checked, the WF is a 3.1 vs 3.01).

So am I to presume that I am at least using the right criteria to make this decision?
 
Date: 1/23/2008 3:11:24 PM
Author:emo6767
What a great forum and community you have here. I am hoping to propose to my GF in the not-too-distant future and have spent an inordinate amount of time researching diamonds over the last two weeks (granted, coming from a position of not even knowing the 4 C''s). This site has been an invaluable source of info since I discovered it last week.

My budget for the stone is $50-75K, and I have found two (I hope) very solid possibilities so far:

James Allen:
3.00 ct GIA Cert.
Cut/Polish/Symmetry: Ex/Ex/Ex
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Proportions: Pav. Ang: 40.8, Crown Ang: 34.5, Table: 56, Depth: 62
HCA: 1.3
Cost: $68,300

White Flash
3.1 GIA
Cut/Polish/Symmetry: EX/Ex/Ex
Color: F
Clarity VS2
Proportions: Pav. Ang: 40.8, Crown Ang.: 35, Table: 56, Depth: 61.3
HCA: 1.5
Cost: $70,741

As far as my own criteria for evaluating a diamond (in order of importance) based upon what I THINK is correct:
1. Proportions
2. Cut
3. Caret Weight
4. Color
5. Clarity

Thanks to the recommendation of some friends, as well as the input of the Forum''s own Sparkalicious, I will also be visiting a local vendor, Gemological Trading Corporation here in Seattle tomorrow.

I guess my first question is whether I have my priorities right in terms of evaluating the desirability of a particular stone? Also, do the specific stones I am considering look like good options in light of my priorities and budget? Finally, are there better options that would give more more bang for the buck without getting a stone with visible color or is not ''eye clean''? Thanks!!!
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Mark .. Welcome!
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My goodness - I''m so pleased that any of the feedback I provided about GTC made you consider them for your purchase!
I have no doubt that they will treat you right!

I have to say that I agree with your analysis/priorities as they are pretty much the same as mine so I may be biased.
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The stones you have selected look fantastic by the numbers and I love, love, love the F/VS2 combo. Based on your priorities, they fall right in alignment ... not sure about price but everything else looks great.

An option you may wish to consider is going to a "G" color stone and considering SI1 or SI2 clarity depending on whether or not the diamonds are "eyeclean". G is right at the top of the "near colorless" range and,therefore, a pretty safe bet to not show color especially if the stone is well cut and graded by a strict lab such as AGS or GIA. If you are talking an EGL Israel, G, you may not be as safe. Dropping from the D-E-F or "colorless" range should help take down the price a little since there is a premium associated with this range. Same is true for dropping from VS to SI range.

I hope this helps and please, please, please do report back and let me know how it goes....

By the way -- I am completely jealous!
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You''re future fiancee is going to have one outstanding diamond on her finger!
 
Date: 1/23/2008 11:07:49 PM
Author: emo6767
Ellen, great suggestion. I have asked for both IS pics and Sarin reports for both. Thanks for encouraging me to consider G''s and SI1''s. I checked out some EGL rated G''s and they seemed yellowish. But that was upside down against a white background next to E and F stones. In a setting, I doubt if it will be visible. Also, I understand from the article posted here that EGL, while perhaps stricter in grading clarity, is soft on color grades.

Oldminer and Rocks - I never even thought about the issue of potential chipping and the loss of caret weight. I am glad you pointed that out (and I checked, the WF is a 3.1 vs 3.01).

So am I to presume that I am at least using the right criteria to make this decision?
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Great!

A G is pretty safe at almost any size for most people. Only the highly color sensitive would mind it. And I''m not pushing for this, just letting you know, there are many on here who have I and J''s in the larger sizes (extremely well cut is key to facing up whiter). You can do a search on here if it interests you. It allows even more bang for the buck.

EGL is not really known for being too strict, except EGL USA. Their grading reports, from what we''ve heard so far, do seem to be fairly on the money.

And yes, you seem to be on the right track to a pretty stone!

We''ll be waiting for the other info.
 
Date: 1/24/2008 7:37:24 AM
Author: Ellen

Date: 1/23/2008 11:07:49 PM
Author: emo6767
Ellen, great suggestion. I have asked for both IS pics and Sarin reports for both. Thanks for encouraging me to consider G''s and SI1''s. I checked out some EGL rated G''s and they seemed yellowish. But that was upside down against a white background next to E and F stones. In a setting, I doubt if it will be visible. Also, I understand from the article posted here that EGL, while perhaps stricter in grading clarity, is soft on color grades.

Oldminer and Rocks - I never even thought about the issue of potential chipping and the loss of caret weight. I am glad you pointed that out (and I checked, the WF is a 3.1 vs 3.01).

So am I to presume that I am at least using the right criteria to make this decision?
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Great!

A G is pretty safe at almost any size for most people. Only the highly color sensitive would mind it. And I''m not pushing for this, just letting you know, there are many on here who have I and J''s in the larger sizes (extremely well cut is key to facing up whiter). You can do a search on here if it interests you. It allows even more bang for the buck.

EGL is not really known for being too strict, except EGL USA. Their grading reports, from what we''ve heard so far, do seem to be fairly on the money.

And yes, you seem to be on the right track to a pretty stone!

We''ll be waiting for the other info.
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Ditto!
 
Hiya Emo! Just checking in for an update ...

How did it go today? Did you find something marvellous or are they just starting the search for you?
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Julie - Thanks for the suggestion. I had come across the Nice Ice web site previously and had been very impressed. I spoke with Todd there and he was quite helpful.

Sparkalicious - Our time with Toni was very great. She and GTC are very service-oriented. We looked at a number of stones, primarily to determine color preferences (you, Ellen and Lorelei are right - I think anything down to GIA/AGS G seemed to look clear to us) and size issues (remarkably, there appeared to be no such thing as "too big;" poor moi). So, Toni''s search now begins.

Diamondseeker2006 - Wow. Thanks for the link. It does look quite fantastic. If I were buying a diamond for myself (I know that may sound kind of weird), I think I would be inclined to get something like that, as my preferences are for idyllic qualities (even if they are not visible) over size. But alas, the person upon whose finger this thing will sit loves caret weight.

One setback to report - despite assistance that was superior in every way with Lesley at Whiteflash, the 3.1 caret stone I referenced above and was beginning to salivate over is no longer available. Considering the comments above about diamonds that are EXACTLY the certain magic weight, I am disinclined to get the 3.0 caret stone.

Thanks for the ongoing education and encouragement from you all. My search continues!
 
Well, the search continues! In case you haven''t, I would recommend also contacting Goodoldgold to help you look.
 
Date: 1/25/2008 7:08:19 PM
Author: emo6767
Sparkalicious - Our time with Toni was very great. She and GTC are very service-oriented. We looked at a number of stones, primarily to determine color preferences (you, Ellen and Lorelei are right - I think anything down to GIA/AGS G seemed to look clear to us) and size issues (remarkably, there appeared to be no such thing as ''too big;'' poor moi). So, Toni''s search now begins.

Thanks for the ongoing education and encouragement from you all. My search continues!
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This is great, Emo! Glad that they did not disappoint!
I can''t wait to hear about what Toni sources for you. They should be some incredible looking diamonds! I''m sure it will be hard to decide which one.
I look forward to your updates!
 
Mark, like Ellen, I''d also suggest contacting Good Old Gold and ask them to check their suppliers. They also specialize in hearts and arrows stones.

Please keep us informed as to your progress! Good luck finding the perfect stone!
 
Thanks again for the input I have received here. It has been quite helpful. Here is an update/renewed plea for insight.

It appears that inventory for the type of stone I am looking for is quite slim. Lesley at Whiteflash has been super-helpful, and I would highly recommend working with her. But once the 3.1 caret stone was snapped up referred to above, it has been hard to find a really finely proportioned/cut stone.

Toni at GTC did bring in one for me to look at today. It is a 3.03 caret G VS2. It has been certified by both AGS in mid-2006 and was 000 Ideal. Last week it was certified at GIA and received triple excellents. Upon looking at it, my untrained eye was impressed by its brilliance, scintillation, and fire, particularly the latter (my own preference). Sounds great so far. I had inquired about a Sarin report and she produced a sticker from a workup on the diamond they had done in the last day or two indicating it would be rated AGS 0 (no surprise), along with basic proportions listed.

So here is my dilemma: There are three different sets of proportions.

AGS: Depth - 62, Table - 54.6, Crown Ang. - 34.8, Pavilion Ang. - 40.8
GIA: Depth - 61.8, Table - 55, Crown Ang. - 35, Pavilion Ang. - 40.8
Sarin: Depth - 62.4, Table - 55, Crown Ang. - 35.2, Pavilion Ang. - 40.9

Granted all pretty close. But then when I ran the number through HCA I received the following:

AGS - 1.5 Ex (TIC) with Excellent ratings on everything but spread
GIA - 1.6 Ex (TIC) with Excellent ratings on everything but spread
Sarin - 2.4 VG (TIC) with Very Goods across the board

I noticed the depth on the Sarin sticker right away, and inquired about that mentioning two things. First, that it was my lay understanding that depth in the 59-62 range is ideal (and the shallower the better within that range for spread purposes). Second, that Sarin reports are generally more accurate than even the specs contained in cert reports (although maybe I am not understanding that correctly). I was told that 62.4 is still considered to be in the range of an excellent cut, but moreover that the Sarin report would be the least reliable of the three measurements, as specific devices could be calibrated slightly differently. So it is better to trust that it is in the 61.8-62 range for depth.

Should I be concerned about this deviation?

My only other concern, which may also be completely unjustified, is that upon looking at the diamond with a hearts and arrows device was that the appeared to be somewhat significant variations in the depth of the cut in the hearts (two were comparatively shallow, two were deep and four with in between). Since this is not a "hearts and arrows" diamond per se, should I be worried? The sticker I got from the Sarin report did not contain each crown and pavilion angle (which I thought they did), or I would have checked that to see if there were substantial variations between the various facet angles that would have explained the lack of symmetry.

Again, the stone did look great to my untrained eye (although there was apparently not an Idealscope for me to use to check for light leakage). And the two big certification companies gave it their top marks across the board for cut. The price is also the best per caret for this category of diamond I have yet found, making it particularly appealing.

There is a bit of urgency to this, as GTC will only have this stone on loan from the owner until Monday, by which time I need to make a decision. Thanks for your collective generosity in helping someone who apparently knows just enough about diamonds to get himself into trouble!
 
probably, the sarin is the more inaccurate.
 
Emo -- Glad to see you are making progress!
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With regards to not having an idealscope ... GTC definitely has one or at least they did. I know b/c I used it to view the h&a on my own diamond.
They may not use the same terminology, however, they do have a "hearts & arrows viewer" ... I''m sure if you let them know that that''s what you are looking for they should be able to oblige your request.

With regards to the slight variations, given that they are minor and that it is virtually impossible, I would think, to determine, which is the most accurate ... How about taking an average of the 3 and working with those numbers? This is not said tongue in cheek ... I just figured it might be the best way to sort of wade through this process? If you do this, the following are the numbers I come up with ...

AVG: Depth - 62.0, Table - 54.9, Crown Ang. - 35, Pavilion Ang. - 40.8
HCA Score = 1.6, Excellent Ex/Ex/Ex/Vg, which falls right within both the AGS Ideal & GIA Excellent ranges.
Now even if we took an avg of the HCA scores, you would still come out as 1.8, which is still under 2 and Excellent.

Given that this stone has been bestowed the honor of AGS 000 and GIA Triple Ex, which is no small feat, ... you just cannot do much better than this as far as diamond cut is concerned ... There is nothing better or a greater grade to aspire to, right?

With regards to the hearts & arrows, there is absolutely no need to be worried. Many diamonds that are not branded as H&A, still show elements or the h&a pattern to a certain degree ... Given the high rating of the cut on this diamond, there is no doubt in my mind that this diamond will have incredible light performance especially taking that you have seen it and that GTC has sourced it for you and given it their stamp of approval.

If the price is right, the cut is top notch and the diamond "spoke" to you ... then go for it! Forget about the numbers or the minutia. If the diamond is beautiful, it''s beautiful. Plain and simple.

I hope that this helps!
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It sounds like it''s probably not a bad diamond. Ask if they have an Idealscope to look at it with, though I''d be surprised if they did.

If you get it, I would just make sure there is a good return policy, and have it checked out by an independant appraiser within that time.
 
Ok, not to muddy the waters, but just to give you another option, did you see this one? The only thing that would make me hesitate is their newly adapted upgrade policy. The new stone must be twice the original purchase price on an upgrade. That's a lot of bucks on a purchase this size...If you know that upgrading would be out of the question, it might be one to consider. Just a thought, gorgeous diamond. (they give a PS discount, not sure how much)

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1087014.asp
 
Thanks for the input! Spark - It did look pretty impressive. In fact we put it next to a comparably sized EGL H VS1. Wow! What a difference. You are right, this is a lovely stone for sure.

Ellen - Good point about the appraisal and return policy. Regarding muddy waters, I thrive in them. Actually that very diamond was the very first one I considered once the 3.1 caret from WF had been snapped up. I had initially shied away from it upon plugging its proportions in the HCA. Whileit got a 1.9 EX overall, none of the component ratings were above VG. Should that have turned me off to the stone?

Making the James Allen diamond more attractive is the fact that it is maybe the best value I have seen in that range. It is priced about 6.5% below Rap, while the 3.03 caret diamond I viewed, while a better value than other F/G VS2''s, is still going to be about 4% above Rap.

For those who are interested in giving me advice as between the two stones, here are the proportions of the James Allen stone Ellen mentioned above:

Depth - 61.1, Table - 57.3, Crown Ang. - 34.9, Pavilion Ang. - 40.9, 3.29 caret AGS 000 "Hearts and Arrows" G VS1 $67,570 wire price
 
Here, we'll make it easy on them.
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http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1087014.asp

I would not dismiss this over the HCA score. It can't truly see the diamond, it's going on just a few numbers, and has no idea how the rest of the diamond is cut. It's really only a "go ahead" to get more info, provided the diamond gets a good score, which it does. And we have the other info needed, which looks fantastic.

Honestly? I would buy this in a heartbeat if it was what I was looking for, and, there was no need to upgrade. It's gorgeous.
 
Emo,

That James Allen diamond certainly does look lovely! I don''t think that there is any doubt that that would be a gorgeous diamond, however, like you, if Excellent is a possiblity, I would certainly shy away from VG''s ... but this can become kind of like splitting hairs ...
Just comes down to which one you are more "taken" with ...

With regards to pricing ... Have you already started negotiating with GTC and presented them with the pricing options you have found online? I would be surprised if they were not willing to price accordingly.

Also, given that you are dealing GTC, a reputable jeweler that has a comprehensive return policy and that many experienced and qualified appraisers are accessible in the same office building, I shouldn''t think that either factor should pose a concern. I know I am biased b/c I have dealt with them and have had such a positive experience, however, the information I am sharing is fact and not just my thoughts.

I''m interested to know more about the "idealscope" not being there ... I have used it before? Were you not able to?
 
Date: 2/2/2008 2:40:36 PM
Author: Sparkalicious
Emo,

That James Allen diamond certainly does look lovely! I don''t think that there is any doubt that that would be a gorgeous diamond, however, like you, if Excellent is a possiblity, I would certainly shy away from VG''s ... but this can become kind of like splitting hairs ...
Just comes down to which one you are more ''taken'' with ...
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That''s a "prediction" from something that can''t see the diamond. Not a fact. My stone got VG on it in Scintillation, and I can assure you, nothing is lacking.
 
Date: 2/2/2008 2:45:48 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 2/2/2008 2:40:36 PM
Author: Sparkalicious
Emo,

That James Allen diamond certainly does look lovely! I don''t think that there is any doubt that that would be a gorgeous diamond, however, like you, if Excellent is a possiblity, I would certainly shy away from VG''s ... but this can become kind of like splitting hairs ...
Just comes down to which one you are more ''taken'' with ...
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That''s a ''prediction'' from something that can''t see the diamond. Not a fact. My stone got VG on it in Scintillation, and I can assure you, nothing is lacking.
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I have no doubt about that, Ellen. I have seen your diamond and it is one of the most incredible diamond''s I have ever seen. I was stating my personal preference on a process I have recently undergone myself and faced some of the very same concerns and had some similar thoughts. My stone got VG on Spread, which I was concerned about, however, having seen it in person - it is gorgeous. The HCA be darned VG or Ex .. .It''s still mine and I would choose it again.
As I said, I would shy away from it (personal preference) or at least be more skeptical about it, right or wrong ... but I also qualified that this type of think really becomes more like "splitting hairs".

Is there a problem with me expressing my own opinions and preferences? Although there is no need, I actually did attempt to "qualify" my statement by stating that it was a matter of which one speaks more to the OP.
 
Date: 2/2/2008 2:45:48 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 2/2/2008 2:40:36 PM
Author: Sparkalicious
Emo,

That James Allen diamond certainly does look lovely! I don''t think that there is any doubt that that would be a gorgeous diamond, however, like you, if Excellent is a possiblity, I would certainly shy away from VG''s ... but this can become kind of like splitting hairs ...
Just comes down to which one you are more ''taken'' with ...
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That''s a ''prediction'' from something that can''t see the diamond. Not a fact. My stone got VG on it in Scintillation, and I can assure you, nothing is lacking.
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Ditto! You need to look at the bigger picture to avoid missing out on potentially great diamonds, especially when ones of that size and cut are so hard to come by.
 
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Date: 2/2/2008 2:51:33 PM
Author: Sparkalicious

Date: 2/2/2008 2:45:48 PM
Author: Ellen

That''s a ''prediction'' from something that can''t see the diamond. Not a fact. My stone got VG on it in Scintillation, and I can assure you, nothing is lacking.
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I have no doubt about that, Ellen. I have seen your diamond and it is one of the most incredible diamond''s I have ever seen. I was stating my personal preference on a process I have recently undergone myself and faced some of the very same concerns and had some similar thoughts. My stone got VG on Spread, which I was concerned about, however, having seen it in person - it is gorgeous. The HCA be darned VG or Ex .. .It''s still mine and I would choose it again.
As I said, I would shy away from it (personal preference) or at least be more skeptical about it, right or wrong ... but I also qualified that this type of think really becomes more like ''splitting hairs''.

Is there a problem with me expressing my own opinions and preferences? Although there is no need, I actually did attempt to ''qualify'' my statement by stating that it was a matter of which one speaks more to the OP.
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Spark, it really is best if we try to stick to facts for the most part. Although it''s impossible to entirely keep opinions out, I really do try to refrain for the most part because they are just that, though certain areas call for them more readily. If you are going to give an opinion, it''s best if it''s based on solid knowledge. For instance, you just told me your stone got VG in spread, but you didn''t care and bought it anyway (yet you just told the poster you''d shy away from VG). If you had read up everything there was on the HCA, you''d know that only the shallowest of diamonds get EX in spread, and those are usually stones better suited for earrings and pendants. You would also know that a good numeric score just means carry on, time for more info. We have that, and it says this is a great diamond. Your opinion on the HCA score of this stone (which we don''t even need to run it through, we have ALL the info we need) is only creating possible fear needlessly.

I love that you want to help, and I can sense your enthusiasm. But there have been times when you have worded your "opinions" more as fact, and posted your "facts" incorrectly. That can be detrimental to the poster at hand, and especially the archives that people search through. I would suggest doing a little more reading, and a little less on the opinion giving. It''s best for the poster to make their own mind up.
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Before one starts posting, it''s advisable to have a really solid concept of what they will be giving advice about. And that goes for anything, not just diamonds.
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Date: 2/2/2008 3:30:05 PM
Author: Ellen
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I love that you want to help, and I can sense your enthusiasm. But there have been times when you have worded your ''opinions'' more as fact, and posted your ''facts'' incorrectly. That can be detrimental to the poster at hand, and especially the archives that people search through. I would suggest doing a little more reading, and a little less on the opinion giving. It''s best for the poster to make their own mind up.
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Before one starts posting, it''s advisable to have a really solid concept of what they will be giving advice about. And that goes for anything, not just diamonds.
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Diamond experts, which I certainly do not claim to be, often disagree based on their "professional" opinions. Thus, this dissent remains true for the average consumer as well.

I give advice and share my opinion based on what I have gleaned from various educational resources and experience with the best of intentions and I believe that this is the essence of this particular "consumer" forum. Will I or anyone always be "right" in the eyes of everyone else ... certainly not, however, will I be able to share my perspective and hope that this assists another consumer with navigating through this sometimes complicated and confusing diamond purchasing process, absolutely. There is no diamond authority and until there is one, my feeble or, uneducated, as far you and/or others are concerned, willingness to share what I have come across or learned with regards to diamonds, will hopefully be informatiove and even helpful to another consumer.

I came across quite a bit of what could be perceived as "misinformation" when I first started to take ownership of my knowledge level with regards to a diamond purchase. As a consumer with reasonable intelligence, I took each piece of information I rec''d, assessed it and applied it to my circumstance to see if it was applicable or legitimate ... I suspect that many other consumers will do the same.

This being said, I appreciate your feedback and thank you for being willing to bolster my ever increasing desire for diamond knowledge, however, would have appreciated something that was less condescending and accusatory. As I''m sure is the case with you, I have never intentionally misled or misinformed anyone in this regard. What I have expressed, for the most part, is based on either what I have read or learned to be true via endless hours of research.

Respectfully and in appreciation,

Sacha
 
Spark, I'm truly sorry if I sounded condescending, that really wasn't my intention. The main purpose of my post was to remind you that we all need to know that we know before we give advice to a poster. And to refrain from some things, when it's truly just our personal opinion, because that may cause fear or color a persons judgement. I did an incredible amount of research before I started posting here, not just hours, or days, or weeks, but months. And I am still learning.

If I haven't been able to convey my message, I don't know how else to say it (without getting personal). And not wanting to risk offending you any more, I'll just bow out now. But if I come across something I feel is misleading to a poster, I will point it out. That's only fair to them.
 
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