Prosumer vs. Consumer. Which are you?

[niceice]

Over the past week or so, I''ve noticed a new term being used here on PS, it''s "Prosumer" and I believe that it is being used in an attempt to distinguish Professional Consumers who might have started out cruising the halls here on PS in an attempt to learn more about diamonds before they made a purchase, or as a result of wanting to know more about a recent purchase, but whom have become more educated about diamonds than the average consumer who might run across PS during the course of their quest to find "the one" diamond to be held high above all others... I believe that a Prosumer is a person who is not affiliated with the trade, but who may be as knowledgeable and quite often more knowledgeable than many people who work within the trade... Let''s face it, a fair amount of the people working behind the retail counter in many jewelry stores have very little actual experience working with diamonds, it wasn''t that long ago that one of my clients went to work as the Sales Manager of a Maul Store, the week before he was the Sales Manager for a car dealership and was trying to grasp the difference between a rope chain and a wheat chain for at least half an hour, but he can sell and he can read a price tag, enough said.

Prosumer''s Please Identify Yourselves and tell us a little bit about your area of expertise, both in your real world and within the world of diamonds. For instance, you might work as a mechanical engineer, lawyer, Mother of 3, doctor, astro-physicist, student, whatever, but you developed a passion for diamond or jewelry design along the way and love to immerse yourself in the waters of PS because it is exciting and rewarding to help other people along their journey to get engaged, etc.

I have been amazed at the level of expertise and knowledge that I see people here on PS share openly with people who are looking for diamonds, some of you I have met in person, we''ve played with the equipment that I use to evaluate diamonds on a daily basis and have discussed the pro''s and con''s of each piece and discussed ways of improving our methods of evaluating diamonds and describing them on the web to make them easier for people to consider. I''m curious as to where most of this knowledge has been gleaned from and this is the purpose of the poll. A little insight please...

 

[strmrdr]

You forgot a level.
level 6 prosumer - you have designed multiple diamonds that have been cut.
But since there is only one I will forgive the oversight :}
signed:
modest storm

 

[niceice]

Date: 4/25/2008 12:51:26 PM
Author: strmrdr
You forgot a level.
level 6 prosumer - you have designed multiple diamonds that have been cut.
But since there is only one I will forgive the oversight

I actually wasn''t aware that you had designed several diamonds that have been cut, my apologies. But now that you have mentioned that achievement, may we know more about them? What are the details? I know that you''ve posted several of your creations from DC on the forum, but did not know that any of them were in production. I''m not sure whether this qualifies you then as a Prosumer or a Manufacturer? Consultant for a diamond cutting house? Hobbyist who is faceting diamonds in his garage? I recall that you mentioned a friend of yours who facets colored gems and tosses the bummers in the bottom of his fish tank! That cracked me up, it sounds like something some of my friends in the colored gem cutting business might do

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 4/25/2008 12:59:02 PM
Author: niceice

Date: 4/25/2008 12:51:26 PM
Author: strmrdr
You forgot a level.
level 6 prosumer - you have designed multiple diamonds that have been cut.
But since there is only one I will forgive the oversight

I actually wasn''t aware that you had designed several diamonds that have been cut, my apologies. But now that you have mentioned that achievement, may we know more about them? What are the details? I know that you''ve posted several of your creations from DC on the forum, but did not know that any of them were in production. I''m not sure whether this qualifies you then as a Prosumer or a Manufacturer? Consultant for a diamond cutting house? Hobbyist who is faceting diamonds in his garage? I recall that you mentioned a friend of yours who facets colored gems and tosses the bummers in the bottom of his fish tank! That cracked me up, it sounds like something some of my friends in the colored gem cutting business might do

It was intended too be funny :} but...
None have hit mass production yet, but have been cut and maybe limited production.
Let me dig up the threads, it started right here on PS.

DiaGem shocked me by refining one of my designs with me and then cut it:
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/why-cut-asschers-with-small-corners-and-windmills.78433/page-4

This one was a joint effert with DiaGem and myself.
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/cut-cornered-rectangular-step-cut-strmrdr.80512/

I wasn''t paid for doing this I did it for the thrill and experence.

 

[niceice]

That is a pretty cool thing that DiaGem did for you Strmrdr

I enjoyed reading about the different ways the cut could be tweaked now that a live rendition of the concept has been cut... And at least now I know where people are getting the idea for the Asscher cut with "wide windmills" that they''ve been asking for all of the sudden. Apparently some people who read your production / design thread did not realize that the diamond is not actually in production at this time... I get at least two requests per week from people saying that they have been reading about the benefits of wide windmills on an Asscher cut on PS and have been going "what the?!?!"

Perhaps there should be a section here on PS for "diamond designs" of a prototype nature where discussions pertaining to diamonds which are not actually in production can be held in private where they will not confuse the general public? If not placed in a higher leveled access point of the forum, perhaps they can be labeled "clearly" at the top of the thread as "prototype" or something like that? It is clear to me that the diamond is a prototype from actually "reading" the thread, but it is obvious to me that a fair number of people missed that concept given the number of people who have been specifying "wide windmills" in their Asscher requests to me lately.

 

[swingirl]

What''s really cool, Storm. I had no idea that your concept turned into a real stone. Hand shots??? Fun to know it''s made enough of an impact that someone is asking about it!

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 4/25/2008 1:45:58 PM
Author: niceice
That is a pretty cool thing that DiaGem did for you Strmrdr

I enjoyed reading about the different ways the cut could be tweaked now that a live rendition of the concept has been cut... And at least now I know where people are getting the idea for the Asscher cut with 'wide windmills' that they've been asking for all of the sudden. Apparently some people who read your production / design thread did not realize that the diamond is not actually in production at this time... I get at least two requests per week from people saying that they have been reading about the benefits of wide windmills on an Asscher cut on PS and have been going 'what the?!?!'

Perhaps there should be a section here on PS for 'diamond designs' of a prototype nature where discussions pertaining to diamonds which are not actually in production can be held in private where they will not confuse the general public? If not placed in a higher leveled access point of the forum, perhaps they can be labeled 'clearly' at the top of the thread as 'prototype' or something like that? It is clear to me that the diamond is a prototype from actually 'reading' the thread, but it is obvious to me that a fair number of people missed that concept given the number of people who have been specifying 'wide windmills' in their Asscher requests to me lately.

It was a way kewl thing!!!! I am very grateful!

There are wide windmill asschers on the market from time too time one turns up.
It is legit for a consumer too prefer them I do.
This specific design isn't except on a custom basis if at all as far as I know.

edit: my official opinion on windmill width is that its a personal preference issue. I will comment on them if they are hairline or too thin too be effective or don't extend all the way down otherwise its a preference thing.

 

[Regular Guy]

Todd,

Blame Leonid...see the third comment down here from Garry.

Nice to see you posting a lot lately.

I put myself in the the big category, 3rd down, level 1.

Storm...so...what are the results of this diamond that went from idea to reality. Do you like it? Does Diagem?

Are more coming?

Warm regards,

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 4/25/2008 2:42:59 PM
Author: Regular Guy
Todd,

Blame Leonid...see the third comment down here from Garry.

Nice to see you posting a lot lately.

I put myself in the the big category, 3rd down, level 1.

Storm...so...what are the results of this diamond that went from idea to reality. Do you like it? Does Diagem?

Are more coming?

Warm regards,

I love it! (wish I could buy it) Wifey2b wants one like it!
DiaGem loves it!
I don''t know what the future holds but right now there aren''t any plans for another project like those two on PS.

 

[diagem]

Date: 4/25/2008 2:42:59 PM
Author: Regular Guy
Todd,

Blame Leonid...see the third comment down here from Garry.

Nice to see you posting a lot lately.

I put myself in the the big category, 3rd down, level 1.

Storm...so...what are the results of this diamond that went from idea to reality. Do you like it? Does Diagem?

Are more coming?

Warm regards,

There is a long version too..., thanks to strmrdr!

I love them..., and happy to hear we caused a mini demand...

 

[niceice]

Date: 4/25/2008 2:42:59 PM
Author: Regular Guy
Blame Leonid...see the third comment down here from Garry.

I''m not looking to blame anybody RG, but I am trying to better understand where people are coming from and better define their level of expertise beyond the number of posts behind their name. It is no secret that I''m in the trade, my opinions are based upon my preferences for what I find to be visually appealing. I''ve looked at literally thousands of diamonds, both ideal and non-ideal over the course of my 20+ years in the industry and over the years my beliefs, understanding, and preferences have been fine tuned by what I''ve seen and what I''ve learned both from industry publications and forums such as PS. The important part of defining what developed my personal preference is exactly that "my personal preference" because everybody sees beauty within a diamond differently. Some of us no doubt view things in a similar light which is why many of the vendors here on PS share a passion for ideal cut diamonds.

Speaking of defining things... Hey Strmrdr, what is your definition of "wide windmills"? Obviously I understand that you are referring to your personal preference and all that, but spell it out for me so that I can be more helpful when people call me for them... For all intents and purposes, we may have a preference for the same thing but I may be getting stuck on the language. Don''t go into it in this thread, email me, I don''t have your email or I would just ask you "off forum".

 

[Rhino]

Dayum

... Diagem you created those from strms models?

 

[diagem]

Date: 4/25/2008 3:12:52 PM
Author: Rhino
Dayum

... Diagem you created those from strms models?

Here Rhino..., you can read all about the process and communications between me and Strmrdr to full execution!
It was done openly on PS for the enjoyment of all!

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/cut-cornered-rectangular-step-cut-strmrdr.80512/

 

[niceice]

Date: 4/25/2008 3:00:32 PM
Author: DiaGem
I love them..., and happy to hear we caused a mini demand...

A little demand is always a good thing providing that you can fulfill the demand for it and not create confusion.

The elongated version that you posted a picture of looks like a modification of the Prince Cut?

 

[diagem]

Date: 4/25/2008 4:49:37 PM
Author: niceice

Date: 4/25/2008 3:00:32 PM
Author: DiaGem
I love them..., and happy to hear we caused a mini demand...

A little demand is always a good thing providing that you can fulfill the demand for it and not create confusion.

The elongated version that you posted a picture of looks like a modification of the Prince Cut?

Todd..., I dont create confusion!

The Prince Cut is a modification of step-cut and not visa-versa!!!

But nice try...

 

[strmrdr]

Todd,
I was going too send this email but others might be interested too and I want other vendors too see it.

Pricescope literally caused a huge explosion in the number of well cut asschers being cut and they still cant keep up with demand.
If we the consumers had not made waves there would be no market for well cut asschers on PS and little supply in the whole industry.
In the early days the entire production run for the year from one of the better cutters was sold on PS in 1 month.
They started cutting more of them and the top cutters still cant keep up with demand.
I cant say that was all PS and likely it wasn''t but a huge part of it was.
Was creating waves a bad thing?
Sure it took a while for the industry to adapt but there are a lot of bellies being filled because of it.

If consumers want wide cornered asschers and are willing too pay for the slight lost weight then the industry should supply them if they are smart.
I do understand how you may feel you may get caught in the middle.
Would it not be better too work with suppliers to get them as others have done and serve the need and make $$$?
We consumers need more vendors asking for them so the cutters wake up and supply them.
I do understand that the industry above you are not used too working that way and it will take time.
In the mean time offer your clients the best of whats available.

 

[diagem]

Date: 4/25/2008 5:21:56 PM
Author: strmrdr
Todd,
I was going too send this email but others might be interested too and I want other vendors too see it.

Pricescope literally caused a huge explosion in the number of well cut asschers being cut and they still cant keep up with demand.
If we the consumers had not made waves there would be no market for well cut asschers on PS and little supply in the whole industry.
In the early days the entire production run for the year from one of the better cutters was sold on PS in 1 month.
They started cutting more of them and the top cutters still cant keep up with demand.
I cant say that was all PS and likely it wasn''t but a huge part of it was.
Was creating waves a bad thing?
Sure it took a while for the industry to adapt but there are a lot of bellies being filled because of it.

If consumers want wide cornered asschers and are willing too pay for the slight lost weight then the industry should supply them if they are smart.
I do understand how you may feel you may get caught in the middle.
Would it not be better too work with suppliers to get them as others have done and serve the need and make $$$?
We consumers need more vendors asking for them so the cutters wake up and supply them.
I do understand that the industry above you are not used too working that way and it will take time.
In the mean time offer your clients the best of whats available.

Strong words...

 

[niceice]

Date: 4/25/2008 4:56:30 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 4/25/2008 4:49:37 PM

The Prince Cut is a modification of step-cut and not visa-versa!!!

But nice try...

That is not what I asked. Obviously I know that the Prince Cut is a modification of a step-cut, they advertise it as a 111 facet emerald cut diamond which is by definition a step-cut. I simply asked whether Strmrdr''s design was a modification of the Prince Cut because the outline of the two diamonds and a good portion of the patterns created within the stone as far as I can see from the photographs look very similar. Essentially I was asking whether Strmrdr''s inspiration for the diamond that he designed was based on the Prince Cut and thus it would be a Modification of the cut. I think that anybody who compares the images will agree that they look very similar, close enough that I thought it reasonable to ask since the Prince Cut was Patented in 2000 and therefore clearly existed before Strmrdr designed his version. Sorry to have offended you. Most of the great inventions that we benefit from as a society were inspired by something created before them that somebody sought to improve.

 

[diagem]

Date: 4/25/2008 5:36:21 PM
Author: niceice

Date: 4/25/2008 4:56:30 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 4/25/2008 4:49:37 PM

The Prince Cut is a modification of step-cut and not visa-versa!!!

But nice try...

That is not what I asked. Obviously I know that the Prince Cut is a modification of a step-cut, they advertise it as a 111 facet emerald cut diamond which is by definition a step-cut. I simply asked whether Strmrdr''s design was a modification of the Prince Cut because the outline of the two diamonds and a good portion of the patterns created within the stone as far as I can see from the photographs look very similar. Essentially I was asking whether Strmrdr''s inspiration for the diamond that he designed was based on the Prince Cut and thus it would be a Modification of the cut. I think that anybody who compares the images will agree that they look very similar, close enough that I thought it reasonable to ask since the Prince Cut was Patented in 2000 and therefore clearly existed before Strmrdr designed his version. Sorry to have offended you. Most of the great inventions that we benefit from as a society were inspired by something created before them that somebody sought to improve.

You cant offend me Todd, dont worry!
See the problem with virtuality is you cant really see or really feel the Diamond as it would be in real life...

The Prince-Cut is a modification of the standard Emerald Cut...
But the Diamond you are comparing above is not even close to the Prince-Cut (except maybe the fact that both have straight edge outlines)!

If you took the time to read the thread where the process was recorded..., you would understand, see and maybe even feel the difference!

 

[niceice]

Date: 4/25/2008 5:21:56 PM
Author: strmrdr

Pricescope literally caused a huge explosion in the number of well cut asschers being cut and they still cant keep up with demand. If we the consumers had not made waves there would be no market for well cut asschers on PS and little supply in the whole industry. In the early days the entire production run for the year from one of the better cutters was sold on PS in 1 month. They started cutting more of them and the top cutters still cant keep up with demand.

I cant say that was all PS and likely it wasn''t but a huge part of it was. Was creating waves a bad thing? Sure it took a while for the industry to adapt but there are a lot of bellies being filled because of it.


If consumers want wide cornered asschers and are willing too pay for the slight lost weight then the industry should supply them if they are smart. I do understand how you may feel you may get caught in the middle. Would it not be better too work with suppliers to get them as others have done and serve the need and make $$$? We consumers need more vendors asking for them so the cutters wake up and supply them. I do understand that the industry above you are not used too working that way and it will take time. In the mean time offer your clients the best of whats available.

You may be preaching to the choir. I happen to think that I''ve been quite instrumental in fine tuning the production of many of the cutters who we work with, as has Jonathan, Wink, and Brian, to name just a few. We''ve steered the manufacturers who we work with to produce a finer product by rejecting diamonds that don''t meet our expectations. When a cutter offers us a business and we ask for the lab reports and then tell them that we want "this diamond" out of the business and not the other 20 - 30 stones, they naturally ask why and that''s when we tell them what we like about the one and didn''t like about the others.

I know that you have never had the privilege of rejecting 40 zero ideal cut diamonds out of 40 zero ideal cut diamonds from a single cutting house, but I''ve had that privilege more than a few times and from several different cutting houses when the price of rough shot up a few years ago. The cutters were attempting to yield more rough from the stone by stair stepping the crown facets in such a way that they still got the right average crown and pavilion angle measurements BUT the result was a darkening of the upper girdle facets. The cutters FREAKED when they received ALL of the diamonds back and they listened to what I had to say because they knew that if they didn''t, somebody else would. I wasn''t alone in noticing this trend, most of the excellent competitors that I have here on PS noted similar problems with the production because the reality is that many of us source diamonds from the same suppliers. And the AGS took note because that''s when they decided to change what constitutes a zero ideal cut diamond. Yea, I think I understand the concept of working with our suppliers to produce a product which is superior to that of which is found in most jewelry stores.

"In the mean time, offer your clients the best that you have available."

You''re kidding, right? It''s not a matter of whether or not we offer our clients the best available, we tend to sell what appeals to me visually since I''m the buyer - just as I''m sure that you would sell what you liked if you were in the diamond business and performed the buying for your company. People who like what I like in a diamond will probably buy from me because we speak the same language, and people who like something else will buy from the person who they feel has tastes similar to their own, it''s basic human nature. I was merely confused about what people were asking for because of the terminology being used because all of the sudden people were saying "I want an Asscher cut with wide windmills" and I didn''t know where it was coming from, you just happened to bring it up when you responded to this thread and it "clicked" in my head! Think "Ah-Ha! Eureka!" And I appreciate your email which further explained your preference for what you like to see in an Asscher cut diamond because now I can better serve the people who have similar preference to yours.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 4/25/2008 5:28:51 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 4/25/2008 5:21:56 PM
Author: strmrdr
Todd,
I was going too send this email but others might be interested too and I want other vendors too see it.

Pricescope literally caused a huge explosion in the number of well cut asschers being cut and they still cant keep up with demand.
If we the consumers had not made waves there would be no market for well cut asschers on PS and little supply in the whole industry.
In the early days the entire production run for the year from one of the better cutters was sold on PS in 1 month.
They started cutting more of them and the top cutters still cant keep up with demand.
I cant say that was all PS and likely it wasn''t but a huge part of it was.
Was creating waves a bad thing?
Sure it took a while for the industry to adapt but there are a lot of bellies being filled because of it.

If consumers want wide cornered asschers and are willing too pay for the slight lost weight then the industry should supply them if they are smart.
I do understand how you may feel you may get caught in the middle.
Would it not be better too work with suppliers to get them as others have done and serve the need and make $$$?
We consumers need more vendors asking for them so the cutters wake up and supply them.
I do understand that the industry above you are not used too working that way and it will take time.
In the mean time offer your clients the best of whats available.

Strong words...

now im paranoid that I stepped in it.

This has came up where someone wanted wide corners and was offered a kicken asscher that had acceptable(18ish) but not wide corners.
It was discussed here and they were given the information on availability.
1 I believe chose too wait the others bought the kicken asscher.
When/if they become available they can always upgrade if the vendor has a strong upgrade policy. (I don''t recall Todd''s policy off the top of my head)

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 4/25/2008 5:58:55 PM
Author: niceice



''In the mean time, offer your clients the best that you have available.''

You''re kidding, right? It''s not a matter of whether or not we offer our clients the best available, we tend to sell what appeals to me visually since I''m the buyer - just as I''m sure that you would sell what you liked if you were in the diamond business and performed the buying for your company. People who like what I like in a diamond will probably buy from me because we speak the same language, and people who like something else will buy from the person who they feel has tastes similar to their own, it''s basic human nature. I was merely confused about what people were asking for because of the terminology being used because all of the sudden people were saying ''I want an Asscher cut with wide windmills'' and I didn''t know where it was coming from, you just happened to bring it up when you responded to this thread and it ''clicked'' in my head! Think ''Ah-Ha! Eureka!'' And I appreciate your email which further explained your preference for what you like to see in an Asscher cut diamond because now I can better serve the people who have similar preference to yours.

Ok I did step in it.
Sorry Todd
I did not mean that in a bad way.
*sigh*
Today just isnt my day!
"''In the mean time, offer your clients the best that you have available to you."
sounds better but still isnt what I was trying too say.
See explaination above.

 

[niceice]

Date: 4/25/2008 5:47:39 PM
Author: DiaGem
You cant offend me Todd, dont worry!
See the problem with virtuality is you cant really see or really feel the Diamond as it would be in real life...
The Prince-Cut is a modification of the standard Emerald Cut...
But the Diamond you are comparing above is not even close to the Prince-Cut (except maybe the fact that both have straight edge outlines)!If you took the time to read the thread where the process was recorded..., you would understand, see and maybe even feel the difference!

Thanks for understanding DiaGem, you are absolutely correct, I posed the question because I can not tell enough detail from the photographs of either diamond, but I saw similarity in the outside profile and the outer edges of the table facet... I''ll trail down the other thread so that I can better understand the difference between the diamonds. Thanks!

 

[niceice]

Date: 4/25/2008 6:09:04 PM
Author: strmrdr
Ok I did step in it.
Sorry Todd
I did not mean that in a bad way.
*sigh*
Today just isnt my day!
''''In the mean time, offer your clients the best that you have available to you.''
sounds better but still isnt what I was trying too say.
See explaination above.

You know, it''s okay, we''re both "stepping in it" in this thread. It''s not the first time, it won''t be the last. Whatever

So it goes with text devoid of inflection sometimes... No worries. Unfortunately we''ve managed to hijack my own thread though and that''s a bummer because I was hoping to get some insight into what makes consumers like yourself contribute to PS on a daily basis as opposed to merely having an interest at the time they are buying a gem and I''d like to pull the focus back to that topic and I''ll wander off and explore your cut concepts on the other threads that you and DiaGem have brought to my attention.

Strmrdr you are CLEARLY enthusiastic about diamonds! You are a Diamond Enthusiast! That''s it, that is the term I am looking for! And what I''m trying to talk about on this thread is where did that enthusiasm come from? There are quite a few "Diamond Enthusiasts" who take the time out of their schedule, practically every day and sometimes throughout the day, to answer questions here on PS to the benefit of the entire community, their commitment to this endeavor is easily identified by the vast number of posts credited to their names... I noticed that the other day and I was flat amazed to see consumers with several thousand posts credited to their names! I would like to know more about these people who are not in the trade and yet have made such a gracious commitment to improving our trade, what is it that created such a passion for those of you who I consider to be "Diamond Enthusiasts" and where do you tend to glean your knowledge from? And again, what do you do in real life? We all know what I do

 

[strmrdr]

It might be better too ask that in another thread I don't think anyone is going too see it way down here.

I'm a computer geek :} or more accurately I'm an everything geek because once I get interested in something I want too know everything about it.
Then promptly forget a lot of it as I move on too the next thing.
The list includes, electronics(I have a degree in EET), weather/storms, computers, guns, photography, and now diamonds.
I still dabble in the other areas.
I am currently running my own consulting firm while seeking full time work.
It finally took off a bit the first of the year after a very rough year following surgery on my elbow in dec 2006 that left one arm limited and near constant pain a lot of days(rain and cold sux). (long story involving a dead beat boss and a work injury)
Why am I here?, too help people and learn more!
Where did I learn about diamonds?, here and my own research.
I have had 20k plus posts each on several forums in different fields before moving on.

 

[diagem]

Date: 4/25/2008 6:02:03 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 4/25/2008 5:28:51 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 4/25/2008 5:21:56 PM
Author: strmrdr
Todd,
I was going too send this email but others might be interested too and I want other vendors too see it.

Pricescope literally caused a huge explosion in the number of well cut asschers being cut and they still cant keep up with demand.
If we the consumers had not made waves there would be no market for well cut asschers on PS and little supply in the whole industry.
In the early days the entire production run for the year from one of the better cutters was sold on PS in 1 month.
They started cutting more of them and the top cutters still cant keep up with demand.
I cant say that was all PS and likely it wasn''t but a huge part of it was.
Was creating waves a bad thing?
Sure it took a while for the industry to adapt but there are a lot of bellies being filled because of it.

If consumers want wide cornered asschers and are willing too pay for the slight lost weight then the industry should supply them if they are smart.
I do understand how you may feel you may get caught in the middle.
Would it not be better too work with suppliers to get them as others have done and serve the need and make $$$?
We consumers need more vendors asking for them so the cutters wake up and supply them.
I do understand that the industry above you are not used too working that way and it will take time.
In the mean time offer your clients the best of whats available.

Strong words...

now im paranoid that I stepped in it.

This has came up where someone wanted wide corners and was offered a kicken asscher that had acceptable(18ish) but not wide corners.
It was discussed here and they were given the information on availability.
1 I believe chose too wait the others bought the kicken asscher.
When/if they become available they can always upgrade if the vendor has a strong upgrade policy. (I don''t recall Todd''s policy off the top of my head)

No reason to get paranoid..., these are strong (positive and realistic and fit the tone of this thread

) words in every sense of its meaning! No need to add or alter!

You might have thought that yesterday was not your day..., but I thought it was

!
You opinion managed to shake the grounds of some pro''s out there..., and as long as consumers have the ability to do that..., its a sign that pro''s listening and some might even do something about it!

Keep up the good job!

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 4/26/2008 5:05:33 AM
Author: DiaGem
No reason to get paranoid..., these are strong (positive and realistic and fit the tone of this thread

) words in every sense of its meaning! No need to add or alter!

You might have thought that yesterday was not your day..., but I thought it was

!
You opinion managed to shake the grounds of some pro''s out there..., and as long as consumers have the ability to do that..., its a sign that pro''s listening and some might even do something about it!

Keep up the good job!

Thank you for the kind words.

 

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Date: 4/25/2008 7:15:46 PM
Author: niceice

Date: 4/25/2008 6:09:04 PM

Author: strmrdr

Ok I did step in it.

Sorry Todd

I did not mean that in a bad way.

*sigh*

Today just isnt my day!

''''In the mean time, offer your clients the best that you have available to you.''

sounds better but still isnt what I was trying too say.

See explaination above.

You know, it''s okay, we''re both ''stepping in it'' in this thread. It''s not the first time, it won''t be the last. Whatever

So it goes with text devoid of inflection sometimes... No worries. Unfortunately we''ve managed to hijack my own thread though and that''s a bummer because I was hoping to get some insight into what makes consumers like yourself contribute to PS on a daily basis as opposed to merely having an interest at the time they are buying a gem and I''d like to pull the focus back to that topic and I''ll wander off and explore your cut concepts on the other threads that you and DiaGem have brought to my attention.


Strmrdr you are CLEARLY enthusiastic about diamonds! You are a Diamond Enthusiast! That''s it, that is the term I am looking for! And what I''m trying to talk about on this thread is where did that enthusiasm come from? There are quite a few ''Diamond Enthusiasts'' who take the time out of their schedule, practically every day and sometimes throughout the day, to answer questions here on PS to the benefit of the entire community, their commitment to this endeavor is easily identified by the vast number of posts credited to their names... I noticed that the other day and I was flat amazed to see consumers with several thousand posts credited to their names! I would like to know more about these people who are not in the trade and yet have made such a gracious commitment to improving our trade, what is it that created such a passion for those of you who I consider to be ''Diamond Enthusiasts'' and where do you tend to glean your knowledge from? And again, what do you do in real life? We all know what I do

Hi Todd,
Well, I would consider my knowledge of diamonds still in the very infant stage. But I guess I would be competent enough not to buy a diamond that is crappy. Lol..I guess most PS consumers here would be able to. I am a dentist, and my love for diamonds started when I was intending to purchase one for my proposal. I never knew that diamonds could be so gorgeous and have so many minute details that could actually affect the outcome of its light performance before that.
I guess I would say that GOG and Pricescope have been responsible for a lot of my diamond education, in fact a lot of it came from Jonathan from GOG.
Still learning, and I think I love diamonds more than some women do now. LOL.