Please keep calling your reps

[OreoRosies86]

I don't want anyone to think I am judging Christians or labeling them, what I do find reprehensible is that Pence does these things under the "authority" of his own extreme brand of religion.

If the dude needs to wear a chastity belt at a dinner party, more power to him, keep my healthcare and services squarely out of it.

 

[redwood66]

I also do not understand this at all. My husband has business meetings and friendships with women and goes to dinner alone with women and I have never once given it a second thought. I still meet men I used to work with for lunch or dinner and my husband hasn't ever had a problem. How the heck is having friendships with people of the opposite sex being disrespectful to your signicant other? Redwood and I are very close in age so it's not an age thing.

Callie it is not about having friendships because we have plenty of those. There are times and places we interact with those friends and other situations that TO US would seem inappropriate. Why is this a problem for people? You do you and I'll do me - respectfully meant to you Callie.

 

[redwood66]

You can't read too much into my tone, because we are online. If I was sitting in front of you I would be telling you my exact same thoughts in most likely the exact same words, and I guarantee you'd interpret them differently. You ask Matata to clarify her comments while you wave your hand and label me aggressive.

Casual sexism is an extremely important topic. But to dismiss Pence's meddling in people's lives and health care is beyond unacceptable.

I said it this way to her because we have said very respectful and nice things to each other. I have not had that kind of interaction with you. It always seems to be argumentative with you and me. I wish it were not so but that is the way it has been. I have even tried to be nice at times on other topics to you but it always comes back to the things we disagree on where it is defensive on both sides. I wish we could fix it.

 

[Calliecake]

Fair enough Redwood. I just would never think of anyone being disrespectful to their spouse by having a meal with someone of the opposite sex. I didn't not marry until I was in my early thirties, I've always had friendships with people of the opposite so has my husbands. That may be why I feel the way I do.

 

[OreoRosies86]

I said it this way to her because we have said very respectful and nice things to each other. I have not had that kind of interaction with you. It always seems to be argumentative with you and me. I wish it were not so but that is the way it has been. I have even tried to be nice at times on other topics to you but it always comes back to the things we disagree on where it is defensive on both sides. I wish we could fix it.

I find it interesting that Matata even went so far as to say that she blocked you, but when it comes to me, it's different. I also don't tell you frequently (if ever) that you "grate on my nerves" as you do to me. Why would I? I don't know you. You're a horse pic on an Internet forum and we have different ideas about stuff.

I think there is a massive disconnect with how we view sexism, feminism, etc. and I don't apologize for that. I do not believe a woman who is appalled by sexism is an "angry feminist who hates men" and I don't give a bump on a frog's butt about who is sleeping with who at my job. I also put up a ginormous STOP sign when it is even hinted at in conversations that women somehow had a hand in their rape.

Now I am not a religious person. But I find it spiritually violent to deny care to people because you don't like the way they live.

I cannot reconcile someone knowing the horrible things this person does and has done and dismissing it as liberal faux concern, and that's not directed at you personally. It's a running theme in many conservative circles.

 

[redwood66]

I am not asking for any apology from you. You asked a question on why it is different with Matata and I answered you. Perhaps there is too much "massive disconnect" between us to be respectful or bother in other topics. It happens. Thanks for listening anyway.

 

[Matata]

Some of you might find this interesting:
http://www.vox.com/first-person/2017/4/1/15142744/mike-pence-billy-graham-rule

 

[redwood66]

Some of you might find this interesting:
http://www.vox.com/first-person/2017/4/1/15142744/mike-pence-billy-graham-rule

That was the one I read and commented on earlier. Thanks for posting it.

 

[siamese3]

What I personally find truly offensive is when another person uses their religious beliefs to dictate what is right or wrong for others. I don't think religion has any place in government. I don't think public policy should be based on any religious ideology. Morality, yes. Ethics, yes. Religion, no.

 

[Tekate]

Kate I do understand all of that. It is different now IMO because the vitriol is worse. The all or nothing part of this discussion is what I don't like. I get the feeling that you (collective) are issuing an ultimatum that I am either with you or I am against you. That is far from the case. In order to make it better you have to realize that not everyone agrees with you (collective) and you make inroads when you can by not trying to eat the elephant all at once or demeaning women who do not agree with you totally.

I have already said that in my family my DH was laid off 1 month before our twins were born. He stayed home for 18 months instead of sending them to daycare because it was silly to pay more for daycare than he would make at whatever job he found in construction at the time. Plus it is better for a parent to be with kids if possible. So our family is hardly stuck in traditional roles. And we had no problem with it. Still don't.

I guess you feel overwhelmed and I am sorry. We all have the right to be who we are, what we are and what we believe Red, I truly believe this. I think we all want that CHOICE for the women behind us.. if we choose to be traditional.. husband... etc.. then that really is okay.. if we chose what I consider where we are going, what is what is happening and what should happen that is okay too... as long as we done force each other.. I respect the differences... I am who I am based on where I came from as you are too I think.. I want our younger women not to feel locked into one or the other. Peace and love

 

[ruby59]

LOL about the ignore. I have never put you on because we seem to manage without being too nasty. It has taken me some time to get used to such a liberal leaning forum and all the personalities that come with it. I am trying to be more affable in voicing my opinion but do fail at times.

We can admire such women and people who put themselves out there and I do immensely. Because someone does not do something similar does not mean they have no value to society or are not performing beneficial acts in their community with no recognition needed or given.

Exactly. I left work before my first was born. I was a stay at home mom right through the 3rd going to first grade. I then was lucky enough to get a job in the grammar school she attended as a secretary.

I am now working part time as a receptionist and yes part of my job is to get coffee.

I was the one who cooked, cleaned, did the laundry and primarily raised our children. My husband did the outside chores and car maintenance.

Yes, I come from a different time, but to be honest, if I had to do it all over again, I would not change a thing.

I maintained a home, made it easier for my husband to move swiftly up the ladder, and raised 3 wonderful, self sufficient, hard working children.

I am proud of my accomplishments.

 

[ruby59]

Why do you think feminists are angry????? I'm not angry, I'm energized. To say that feminists are angry is to attribute what YOU think of them, because they don't support YOUR values.. as a feminist I have lived thru the 70s (where men ruled and if the guy pulled my bra strap then hey WTF! it's a man's world) to the 80s where we made some inroads (where men pretended to respect me but just couldn't wait to get me in bed ) to the 90s where I stopped working to be home with my sons since it was cheaper for us than working to back into the workforce in 01 and men still ruled and women were seen as being 'hormonal' or 'agitated' or 'she misses her kids' or 'she's getting older'..

As to my husband having dinner with a woman, woman friend, acquaintance, why should I feel threatened? why should I want to go back to the time when my mother felt she needed to codeine her way out of a stifling marriage (50s).. no... and it all boils down to what one hears in their religious institution.. (which I learned years ago is just another place where men lord it over women in the guise of being paternal) not going back, don't want my DIL to go back, if I have a grand-daughter someday I don't want her to think she is anything less than a man. It's all about SEX anyway and men not being able to control themselves.

Wait until you get a little older and women outnumber men 3 to 1 or more. And she desperately wants another husband, and yours will do nicely.

 

[OreoRosies86]

If anyone wants to turn this thread into their opinion of shameless man eating hussies, please feel free to start your own.

 

[ruby59]

If anyone wants to turn this thread into their opinion of shameless man eating hussies, please feel free to start your own.

So only the men are a threat and the ones that cannot control themselves?

 

[Matata]

If anyone wants to turn this thread into their opinion of shameless man eating hussies, please feel free to start your own.

I just realized that if you change the "h" in hussies to a "p", you get pussies. I never noticed that before.

 

[OreoRosies86]

I just realized that if you change the "h" in hussies to a "p", you get pussies. I never noticed that before.

I call PussyHussy as a band name!

 

[OreoRosies86]

So only the men are a threat and the ones that cannot control themselves?

Maybe you can explore that in your own thread.

 

[ruby59]

I also put up a ginormous STOP sign when it is even hinted at in conversations that women somehow had a hand in their rape.

Then you should be appalled at how a very liberal city is treating that poor 14 year old rape victim, going as far to say that she asked for it.

There are a$$es on all sides.

 

[ruby59]

Maybe you can explore that in your own thread.

Why can't you just stretch a bit for this one. Look at the highlighted part, where apparently men cannot control themselves. I am giving the rebuttal response and from experience that it is not just the men.

 

[OreoRosies86]

Then you should be appalled at how a very liberal city is treating that poor 14 year old rape victim, going as far to say that she asked for it.

There are a$$es on all sides.

By city do you mean the rapist's defense attorneys?

 

[Matata]

I call PussyHussy as a band name!

I was gonna get all up in your face for not calling it HussyPussy because I think hussies have been discriminated against in favor of pussies but then I looked at Urban Dictionary and found your term to be legit: A girl that's way too easy and ain't even cute.

 

[OreoRosies86]

Why can't you just stretch a bit for this one. Look at the highlighted part, where apparently men cannot control themselves. I am giving the rebuttal response and from experience that it is not just the men.

Ruby, if you need to explore that topic go for it. Your feelings about rape, adultery, and disdain for many women in general are well documented here.

 

[ruby59]

By city do you mean the rapist's defense attorneys?

I know defense attorneys are slime balls that have to defend whomever are paying their fees.

But you would think a female one would have not taken the case.

But the laws in that whole city are absurd.

Why isn't this considered statutory rape? Because in this city there is not enough difference in their ages? Absurd. He is a man. She is a child. A child cannot give consent.

And they are now smearing all these text messages all over the place. This whole scenario sickens me.

 

[OreoRosies86]

What happened to her was tragic, I have no idea what you're talking about regarding the rest. Though this was the first pic I saw when I was reading about it.

 

[lovedogs]

ok, back up. It is not a city's fault what happens in a crime case. Also, statutory rape laws are determined by a variety of factors, none of which has to do with citizens of a given city.

BTW: from what I can see, the ONLY news outlets talking about the text messages and continuing to give this airtime are conservative ones. And they are spinning it as being about race, which it isn't.

 

[Dee*Jay]

I was gonna get all up in your face for not calling it HussyPussy because I think hussies have been discriminated against in favor of pussies but then I looked at Urban Dictionary and found your term to be legit: A girl that's way too easy and ain't even cute.

Love Urban Dictionary -- there ain't nothin' you can't find on there! I think I have to get the mug on this on though 'cuz I'm full up on T-shirts right now.

 

[ruby59]

ok, back up. It is not a city's fault what happens in a crime case. Also, statutory rape laws are determined by a variety of factors, none of which has to do with citizens of a given city.

BTW: from what I can see, the ONLY news outlets talking about the text messages and continuing to give this airtime are conservative ones. And they are spinning it as being about race, which it isn't.

I am coming at this from a simple point. A man and a child. Their backgrounds means nothing.

An 18 year old man and a 14 year old.child.

They are saying she asked for it. A 14 year old cannot give consent.

 

[OreoRosies86]

Again, what does this have to do with anything that was being discussed? No one here is saying that a 14 year old is of age to consent to sexual activity. All I can gather is that you're upset with the city and the attorney who is a female. Can you clarify what is your point in the context of what was being discussed?

 

[OreoRosies86]

Love Urban Dictionary -- there ain't nothin' you can't find on there! I think I have to get the mug on this on though 'cuz I'm full up on T-shirts right now.

PS ladies are keeping up with the pussy merch, and I'm running low on mugs...

 

[lovedogs]

I am coming at this from a simple point. A man and a child. Their backgrounds means nothing.

An 18 year old man and a 14 year old.child.

They are saying she asked for it. A 14 year old cannot give consent.

Here are the laws in MD (which is where this case occurred). Looks like 14 and 17 is no crime (if consensual), but 14 and 18 is 4th degree sexual offense. So in the case of the 18 year old in question, it doesn't matter if it was consensual, it is still against the law.