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"As Governor of Indiana, Pence blocked the expansion of HIV services until it could be proved that 'federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus.'

'Resources should [instead] be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior,' he wrote on a campaign website.

Pence’s public health funding cuts led to the worst HIV outbreak in the state’s history."

http://www.newnownext.com/donald-trump-hiv-budget/03/2017/?xrs=synd_facebook_logo
 
He is even worse than Trump. He claims to be pro-life? A devout Christian, meaning follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ? BULLSHIT.
http://www.courier-journal.com/stor...end-critical-letter-alum-mike-pence/99595728/
There has been a really serious problem here for quite some time re addiction. He FINALLY reacted but it was like pulling teeth. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/us/politics/mike-pence-needle-exchanges-indiana.html?_r=0
The answer is not to shun that population. The answer is to help them. Ya know, like Jesus would do. #mikepenceistheworstkindofmeffinghypocrite
 
Hmmmmm, where's that HYPOCRISY gif someone posted yesterday...
 
monarch64 said:
He is even worse than Trump. He claims to be pro-life? A devout Christian, meaning follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ? BULLSHIT.
http://www.courier-journal.com/stor...end-critical-letter-alum-mike-pence/99595728/
There has been a really serious problem here for quite some time re addiction. He FINALLY reacted but it was like pulling teeth. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/us/politics/mike-pence-needle-exchanges-indiana.html?_r=0
The answer is not to shun that population. The answer is to help them. Ya know, like Jesus would do. #mikepenceistheworstkindofmeffinghypocrite
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All Christians (Republicans) are pro-life until the kid isn't cute anymore, say past the age of 2. Then they don't care if the kid needs healthcare, regular food, school lunch, mental health services, drug treatment, shelter, etc. They think the kid should just "pull themselves up by their bootstraps". They are evil.
And you no what bothers me MOST? They are so stupid. If the government is allowed to control a woman's uterus, they will soon control ALL family choices. Fast forward 50 years and women carrying disabled children could have their pregnancies terminated. The day could come when no one can have more than 2 children. If you give the government an inch, they could take a mile. I say we are no longer just pro-choice, we are for Family Freedom.
 
I think choosing between Pence and Trump would be like getting stuck between a rock and a hard place. Did you see his comment about how he won't dine alone with any woman unless his wife was present?
 
I am not sure why his not dining with a woman alone that is not his wife is a negative thing. My husband wouldn't either. Some people have a traditional marriage and should not be denigrated for it.
 
redwood66 said:
I am not sure why his not dining with a woman alone that is not his wife is a negative thing. My husband wouldn't either. Some people have a traditional marriage and should not be denigrated for it.
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I don't know about denigrating, but to me it's rather backward. I have male clients I have lunch meetings and often cocktails with plus dinners! My stbx husband had/has many woman colleagues in politics and has never had to worry about dining alone with any of them. What, if any, is the worry? No...on second thought, never mind. I feel like I already know what you're going to say--women can't be trusted. Ugh.
 
It's not that at all monnie. In fact it has nothing to do with that for us. It is a matter of respect. I imagine if we worked in fields that required dinners out or work parties it might be different. But we don't have careers that require that nor would we want it. So does that make us wrong or a problem in our marriage? The Pence's have been married for many years and happily it seems so why bash them for how they manage it?
 
Redwood, I am always completely confused at the idea that married men and women do this, but okay. Your life not mine.

Do you agree with his stance on HIV/AIDS funding?
 
I am not sure why it would be confusing? It is just how we are and always have been but it is not religious in nature. Maybe because the opportunity to do it does not present itself, but because of this issue with Pence I thought about it and no we would not do it even if opportunity arises. I can't imagine we would be inclined to go to dinner with the spouse of one of our friends alone. If I have gone to lunch with someone from work it is a bit different and most of the time in a group. He would not with a female coworker alone. After I posted above I read some of the articles bashing him like Vox. While I can understand their point I don't necessarily agree with it. I don't live in a corporate or political world so those issues are not occurrences for me. But I do know that the perception of a public figure out late or drinking without his/her spouse with the opposite sex can be misconstrued even if it is innocuous. The media loves it and devotes plenty of time to it with paparazzi. A person cannot be bashed for trying to avoid that.

As far as the AIDS/HIV funding I think the US should be helping in any way we can to stamp out the disease. There are other places to cut the budget that are wasteful.
 
I must be in the minority but I've got two sets of couples friends and we regularly go out with just one or the other if one of them is traveling or busy. It's definitely no secret to the other side of the couple and we frequently text them pics of us having a good time just to tease them. Oh -- and food and cocktail pics too! :cheeky:

I've also got a single male friend that I spend FAR more time with than the CB spends with us together. We also text daily and talk on the phone several times a week.

And when I travel (also when I traveled in one particular job several years ago) the majority of my colleagues were men and they would regularly have lunch/dinner/cocktails with me with or without their SO, some of whom I knew and some of whom I didn't. I suppose it's possible them doing so caused an issue (or maybe even just a conversation) with their SO but I of course was never privy to that.

Not saying any of this is the *right* way, but it's MY way. Whatever works for a couple in terms of them maintaining a successful relationship, well that's up to them.
 
I have to add this video discussion from The View because I am of the opinion of Bila and Hostin on this.

 
Dee*Jay said:
I must be in the minority but I've got two sets of couples friends and we regularly go out with just one or the other if one of them is traveling or busy. It's definitely no secret to the other side of the couple and we frequently text them pics of us having a good time just to tease them. Oh -- and food and cocktail pics too! :cheeky:

I've also got a single male friend that I spend FAR more time with than the CB spends with us together. We also text daily and talk on the phone several times a week.

And when I travel (also when I traveled in one particular job several years ago) the majority of my colleagues were men and they would regularly have lunch/dinner/cocktails with me with or without their SO, some of whom I knew and some of whom I didn't. I suppose it's possible them doing so caused an issue (or maybe even just a conversation) with their SO but I of course was never privy to that.

Not saying any of this is the *right* way, but it's MY way. Whatever works for a couple in terms of them maintaining a successful relationship, well that's up to them.
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Dee I would never tell you that you are doing it wrong. That is my whole point about this issue. What is good for one couple may not be for another and what each decides should not be derided by others. We are not talking about abuse here, its dinner and booze. The media just needed something to take up 48 hours about and with all the rest happening this was just plain stupid.

Edit - I did have a new coworker before I retired that we had to spend quite a bit of time together. We went to lunch a couple times (alone rather than the whole group) and we get along just fine. His wife is a massage therapist and has worked on me. But it did get a bit uncomfortable at times for me even though my DH knows him and the three of us have been to lunch together. I ignored my feelings as silly but usually wanted someone else to tag along for lunch.
 
And Redwood, you have absolutely no opinion on Pence's reasoning behind the funding cuts?

Edit: completely baffled by The View. How can you focus on a bunch of people talking over each other? So having male friends is disrespectful and not putting your marriage front and center? It's a matter of avoiding "sin"? K.
 
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The points made in the video about people trying to compromise someone with power -- in Pence's case, political power -- have validity. But the bottom line of this whole issue is the stigma that men and women can't control their lust. This has nothing to do with respect for a marriage or a spouse. -- it is about perpetuating the stereotypes that all women are sluts and no man can keep his penis in his pants and it is also about fear. Fear of self. Fear of what others will think. It demeans people and I find it sad.
 
Crap -- we need an edit option. I meant to emphasize that it particularly demeans women. And in Pence's case, I think that's exactly what he knows he's doing.
 
Matata said:
The points made in the video about people trying to compromise someone with power -- in Pence's case, political power -- have validity. But the bottom line of this whole issue is the stigma that men and women can't control their lust. This has nothing to do with respect for a marriage or a spouse. -- it is about perpetuating the stereotypes that all women are sluts and no man can keep his penis in his pants and it is also about fear. Fear of self. Fear of what others will think. It demeans people and I find it sad.
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I do not agree with this. It has everything to do with respect in my case and I trust my DH implicitly.
 
Matata said:
Crap -- we need an edit option. I meant to emphasize that it particularly demeans women. And in Pence's case, I think that's exactly what he knows he's doing.
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YES YES YES. All of this.
 
The issue is one of mentoring and opportunity for women. Many professions (including politics) use business lunches/dinners as a convenient means of offering mentoring, promotion, and opportunities to conduct business (sales negotiations, partnership building) as a matter of course. This is extremely common among lawyers, business people, engineers, health care professionals, and the like. I can't tell you how many lunches/dinners I have had with male mentors, supervisors, colleagues, and students/mentees. Same with my husband. In male dominated professions, refusal to engage in an entirely non-sexual activity that actively promotes the careers of those coming behind puts those who are shut out at a huge disadvantage. Note how few women are in the upper echelons of the Republican Party. Or Fortune 500 companies, or tech companies, law firms, engineering firms, the military, or tenured professors/supervisory positions in academic or medical settings. So the supervisory opportunities are primarily offered by men, and refusing to offer them to women puts us at a disadvantage. Because presumably it's not just dinner. It's also business trips, trade shows, after hours meetings, or being alone in general. It's mind boggling really, for those of us in professional fields where this is the norm. Plus, as my husband has pointed out, it's insulting to men to insinuate that they are incapable of having lunch or dinner with a woman without being able to control themselves. Not all relationships are sexualized and it's insulting to suggest that they are. (His words, not mine). I have to admit, I've never had cause to be worried about him working and traveling with women, nor has he had cause to be worried about me. So it's not just a choice about his marriage. It's also a commentary on his willingness to support and mentor the careers of women working under him. Which considering his politics is not surprising. What is surprising is how many US women accept this casual sexism as OK and even commendable. It makes me wonder if it's just so normal that it's not even seen.
 
Matata said:
Crap -- we need an edit option. I meant to emphasize that it particularly demeans women. And in Pence's case, I think that's exactly what he knows he's doing.
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I don't understand that in this case.

And you can edit. Just click edit underneath your post.
 
redwood66 said:
I do not agree with this. It has everything to do with respect in my case and I trust my DH implicitly.
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How does socializing with someone of the opposite sex confer disrespect on your spouse?
 
And thanks, Red for pointing out the "edit' function. I swear I looked right at it and didn't see it. The mind plays tricks....
 
So he lives HIS life in a certain way. And all the "sinners" who don't can just what, f*ck off and die? Real Christian guy you elected.

"As Governor of Indiana, Pence blocked the expansion of HIV services until it could be proved that 'federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus.'

'Resources should [instead] be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior,' he wrote on a campaign website.

Pence’s public health funding cuts led to the worst HIV outbreak in the state’s history."
 
Matata said:
How does socializing with someone of the opposite sex confer disrespect on your spouse?
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It is just how I feel Matata. Can you understand and accept that? I don't expect anyone here to explain themselves on why they do things or how they conduct their marriage if they have one.
 
cmd2014, sadly I think many many women are used to casual sexism to the point where they wouldn't think twice about it.
 
redwood66 said:
It is just how I feel Matata. Can you understand and accept that? I don't expect anyone here to explain themselves on why they do things or conduct their marriage.
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I have no issue with how you choose to live your life. My issue is with the broader context of Pence's behavior. No matter how you slice it, it comes down to sex. If you're having lunch with a female friend, you believe that is not disrespectful to your spouse right? And you're not worried that friends who may see you lunching with a female will assume you are cheating on your husband right? That changes, it seems, when you socialize with a male. It's all about sex. Since whoever the yahoo was who wrote the Book of Genesis, it's been the underlying theme that women can't be trusted. That is the issue I have with the broader discussion.
 
Or they don't feel the need to make mountains out of molehills. I wonder if it is terribly tiresome for hardcore feminists to be so angry all the time about all the ills that men (white men especially) cause? It is not something I desire to spend time on because I want to be happy and enjoy my life with my DH. Not worrying that he is putting me in my place subconsciously.
 
You understand that feminism isn't about hating men, I hope. I've asked direct questions about Pence's stance on why he won't fund HIV/AIDS. Crickets.
 
Matata said:
I have no issue with how you choose to live your life. My issue is with the broader context of Pence's behavior. No matter how you slice it, it comes down to sex. If you're having lunch with a female friend, you believe that is not disrespectful to your spouse right? And you're not worried that friends who may see you lunching with a female will assume you are cheating on your husband right? That changes, it seems, when you socialize with a male. It's all about sex. Since whoever the yahoo was who wrote the Book of Genesis, it's been the underlying theme that women can't be trusted. That is the issue I have with the broader discussion.
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Some women and men cannot be trusted. That is a fact.

Elliot86 said:
You understand that feminism isn't about hating men, I hope. I've asked direct questions about Pence's stance on why he won't fund HIV/AIDS. Crickets.
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I would imagine it is because of his feelings on homosexuality. What are you digging for? Me to say I agree with him? Because I don't. Happy?
 
redwood66 said:
Or they don't feel the need to make mountains out of molehills. I wonder if it is terribly tiresome for hardcore feminists to be so angry all the time about all the ills that men (white men especially) cause? It is not something I desire to spend time on because I want to be happy and enjoy my life with my DH. Not worrying that he is putting me in my place subconsciously.
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Well one of you has done it if you're afraid to socialize one-on-one with a man who is not your husband. I don't know any hardcore feminists that I can ask about your question. Why do you resort to passive aggressive behavior when you get uncomfortable? The people who are fighting for justice are, in my world, humans fighting for humans -- whether it is for women, LGBT community, or any other group. There are those who sit on the sidelines and reap the benefits of the hard work of others and there are those who are not content unless they are actively contributing to society in some way.
 
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