Oh sorry. didnt know. Thanks for educating me on diamonds. When my ring comes in, i will post pictures about it. Thank you!!!
So which stone did you eventually decide on?
I am gonna take all of your advice and just stick with the first stone i posted on here. You know how people always circle back to the first choice? Yep that happened to me. Seems like everybody who responded to me genuinely likes the first stone for its price. Including you!! Bmfang Obviously I cannot get super ideal cut for perfect H&A but the rock still should be shiny and looks very clean instead of dull. I did checked out Whiteflash and places that yall recommended but i Didn't find the right price for the size im trying to stay at so yeah..
Besides i was really worry about 35.5 Crown angle with 40.6 pavilion angle combo along with 45% star facet but thanks to diamond expert @Karl_K taught me that 35.5 crown angle with 45 star facet is a good combo. So I think i am just gonna stick with that. I think just for 1.5 cts clarity vs1 and color G is also good enough for it to not show yellowing or dullness.... hopefully.
Bmfang, do you think its alot of differences in light performance for being perfect H&A or not?
The answer is... it depends. Really. Some folks are perfectly happy with a non-super ideal stone which happens to have proportions that fall within PS recommended ranges. Others want top cut quality and only card about that. Me? I’d be happy with either depending on price vs 4C’s.
I can notice a difference between my wife’s super ideal stones and stones that are not super ideal. Then again, those non-super ideal stones (while GIA XXX) do not fall within the PS recommended proportions range.
That's probably because the Tiffany rings had better cut stones than the one from a local jeweler. But there's also an important mental factor here. If she 100% wants Tiffany, then she might not be happy with anything else. If she's open to alternatives, then getting the best cut stone you possibly can is the right choice.@bmfang Really? Now im having a second thoughts. I do not know what to do and i really wish that I can ask somebody to just a create a diamond they way i want within my price budget. !!! Its just that we had this discussion and she really wanted Tiffany 1.5 cts. she said her friends compared tiffany rings vs non tiffany rings (according to her, two of them are from tiffany and other 2 are from local vendors and 1 was from james allen? I think. And they are all similar to the sizes and color and clarity.) and tiffany rings were for some reason way more sparkle than others under light. She said she does not want tiffany because of their brand name but its sparkle. But she said she would not mind and still love to have non Tiffany as long as i can find sparkle one. Now when i studied, cut is the most absolutely important factor that attributes to that matter. Idk what to do. This is harder than i thought.
@bmfang Really? Now im having a second thoughts. I do not know what to do and i really wish that I can ask somebody to just a create a diamond they way i want within my price budget. !!! Its just that we had this discussion and she really wanted Tiffany 1.5 cts. she said her friends compared tiffany rings vs non tiffany rings (according to her, two of them are from tiffany and other 2 are from local vendors and 1 was from james allen? I think. And they are all similar to the sizes and color and clarity.) and tiffany rings were for some reason way more sparkle than others under light. She said she does not want tiffany because of their brand name but its sparkle. But she said she would not mind and still love to have non Tiffany as long as i can find sparkle one. Now when i studied, cut is the most absolutely important factor that attributes to that matter. Idk what to do. This is harder than i thought.
AGS is a better lab for cut than gia. She likely doesn't know that, and thinks it's a random untrustworthy lab. If you explain that WF has branded super ideal cut diamonds that are the best in the buisiness, she will likely be very happy with that.Sigh.. guys... i was trying to order it yesterday after work, the stone got sold to other buyer... ugh so frustrated. Now i have to choose between these two. I hold them both so can you pitch your ideas again? Im so sorry that this shit happened.
And i looked whiteflash. They are all AGS. She wants GIA.
https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD11714870
What about this one? I know its overkill on clarity and yes it is more expensive but is this one also quite good cut as the other one??
Im so pissed off that first one is gone...
Nothing wrong with that new stone. But as @lovedogs has said, AGS000 stones generally speaking are cut better than GIA XXX. Why? Because science.
Most of the super ideal vendors send their stones to AGS for grading because they are the only lab that specialises in cut grading and light performance.
I would be looking at not only WF, but also stones cut by Brian Gavin Diamonds, Crafted By Infinity and Victor Canera H&A as well. Some other suggestions from me. I did take a look at Whiteflash’s Premium Select range (which are GIA graded stones but the one that looked promising, I ultimately decided against suggesting below).
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4095773.htm
https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/...ls/1.547-i-vs1-round-diamond-ags-104103148034
AGS is a better lab for cut than gia. She likely doesn't know that, and thinks it's a random untrustworthy lab. If you explain that WF has branded super ideal cut diamonds that are the best in the buisiness, she will likely be very happy with that.
Edit. What I mean by "better for cut" is that a GIA XXX is not guaranteed to be a good performing stone. Many are not. AGS 000 (like WF has) is much more strict and very likely to be excellent
Thank you for a detailed response as usual. Those vendors however do not provide good financing option. I need at least interest free six month payment options with 20%down payment and they do not offer that. .. but I am amazed by what you guys been talking about true ideal cuts and how H and A can be optical symmetry. Especially the one you chose from WF looks awesome. But im sorry that i have to pass those vendors.. also it would take awhile to pass the information along about AGS and GIA differences.
Can you tell me how Bluenile stone is being close perfect H and A? And i know you said extra facet should not be a problem but how can you tell where it is ?? I have been trying to see what you see but its hard to do so.
Using a statistical calculator done up by one of our PS members (@gm89uk) which aims at determining crown and pavilion angles from the GIA rounded data, there’s a higher probability of this stone having a CA higher than 35 degrees. Inputting CA’s of 35.1 and 35.2 into the HCA still gives scores that are sub-2 which would generally confirm that this is a well cut stone. The statistical analysis also says that there is a very high probability that the stone’s PA is likely to be at 40.85 or less which still keeps the stone sub-2 on HCA.
What is this statistical calculator you speak of? Can you provide link to this calculator?
I understand that, but it truly doesn't make sense to not get a super ideal cut stone (that you can afford) because you dont want your FI to know you bought it. I feel like you are shooting yourself in the foot a little bit.@bmfang i respect you. Your so knowledgeable. Thank you so much for so detailed answers on it. This is exactly what I wanted to hear about that stone.
As far as financial goes, We already kinda opened up our financial status and have savings accounts together. I do have money for it just dont want her to know that I bought it and she will know it if big chunk of money will go missing. Be sides, I kinda do not want to tell her how much I sent on the ring and plan to pay with my monthly budget allowance. Thanks for the advice though. I do appreciate it.
I understand that, but it truly doesn't make sense to not get a super ideal cut stone (that you can afford) because you dont want your FI to know you bought it. I feel like you are shooting yourself in the foot a little bit.
Im not shooting myself in the feet if i can pay them off within 6month period of time with interest free. Besides the super ideal vendors that you kept mentioning do not have what i want within my price range. I understand cut is the most important thing here but i still want to stay within certain size, color and clarity. But still thanks for any input.
Martin @ USA Certed Diamonds is not a super ideal vendor but he is amazing and I'm sure he can find you something special !
Thanks for the info but I do not need to find any vendor. I posted on here to check up on the diamonds that I already found. Not looking for new one.
@bmfang i respect you. Your so knowledgeable. Thank you so much for so detailed answers on it. This is exactly what I wanted to hear about that stone.
As far as financial goes, We already kinda opened up our financial status and have savings accounts together. I do have money for it just dont want her to know that I bought it and she will know it if big chunk of money will go missing. Be sides, I kinda do not want to tell her how much I sent on the ring and plan to pay with my monthly budget allowance. Thanks for the advice though. I do appreciate it.
Question: are you planning on upgrading the stone at anytime in the future?
Maybe? I do not know how things will turn out but I was thinking to upgrade the ring on our 5th wedding anniversary. I was thinking to upgrade it later to 3 cts for her and that will be it. How about you? did you ever upgrade her ring?