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Bella15

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Hello and thanks in advance for all your helps.

I'm a newbie here and diamond, so I really need your helps picking the best diamond for my 20 years anniversary.

I'm seriously consider getting one of these two diamonds:

https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD7776
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4092514.htm

The one from HPD has medium blue fluorescent, therefore it's priced 5K less then other diamond at HPD with the same ct/color/clarity. However the WF diamond is about the same price with no fluorescent.

Can you please tell me which one would you pick?

Thanks.
 
I have a deep love for CBIs, so id probably get that one, assuming it comes with all the upgrade policy stuff, etc.
 
I assume that HPD vets their diamonds for the very small chance that the fluorescence affects transparency ... so ... given that, I would vote for the HPD diamond. The WF diamond might have fluorescence right up to just under medium anyway - might as well go with the diamond where you know for sure and get the discount.
 
I am in the minority but I don't care for fluorescence. I would choose the ACA because of that.
 
kmoro said:
I assume that HPD vets their diamonds for the very small chance that the fluorescence affects transparency ... so ... given that, I would vote for the HPD diamond. The WF diamond might have fluorescence right up to just under medium anyway - might as well go with the diamond where you know for sure and get the discount.
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They do, and the typically don't sell stones with flour. So this one must be an exception, and will be vetted to make sure there aren't any issues
 
I prefer the visual of the smaller table so if it were me I would go with the ACA, but clearly a matter of preference. Also, its spread is clearly less, so will that bother you? My 2.01 has a smaller spread for most 2.01s but I didn't care what its measurement was. Also, anyone on this forum would characterize a 1.995 as a 2 carat... but will it bother you that the grading report doesn't actually have a carat weight that begins with a 2??? It's funny, but if my stone didn't start with the number 2 that would bother me, but the smaller spread did not! Go figure!
Interesting point kmoro made regarding that the negligible could be right up to the threshold for medium fl - but for some reason it didn't - so for that reason, too, I would go with the ACA if I were deciding between the 2. But, as she said, it could've been just on the threshold between the 2 grades. I like how GIA splits that up into one extra grade (would've been more helpful to you in this scenario).
While I did read the info regarding the study disputing the negative of Fl (and with the actual preference now by many FOR a stone that does fluoresce), I still wanted to be very careful with my E. Mine has faint (according to GIA). My jeweler put it in the machine to assess if there would be a problem, which I am sure you could have either vendor do for you. When I was searching for E stones, I was shocked at how many had med-strong and I just didn't feel comfortable with that. But for a G, I think you will be fine with faint. My comfort level would not be to go with med for a G, but I'm a "worrier"! ALTERNATIVELY, I have a RB 2.65 round G color with STONG BLUE and there's no issue whatsoever... but I would never have been courageous enough lol to buy it... I inherited that stone. Definitely food for thought and you should give consideration for kimoro's advice that you shouldn't let it be a factor in your decision. To add even more credence to kimono's view, that diamond I just referenced, G with strong blue fl was purchased (many, many, many!) years ago by my late grandfather who actually worked directly for Harry Winston himself as a diamond cutter and sorter when he immigrated to the U.S. in the early 1940's. He obviously didn't see an issue, either ;-)
 
lovedogs said:
They do, and the typically don't sell stones with flour. So this one must be an exception, and will be vetted to make sure there aren't any issues
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It was confirmed by Wink that there's absolutely no haze to the diamond, however he can see a bluish color to the diamond under direct sunlight.
 
I believe that I see a bluish color in certain types of sunlight with my E faint fl diamond. I thought maybe it was just a combination of the lighting and my stone being colorless but actually just yesterday it occurred to me that maybe what I was seeing was a result of the fl so funny we are having this discussion today. I see that now there is actually a consumer demand for diamonds that fluoresce! Does this bother you that he confirmed that there is the bluish color?
 
headlight said:
I prefer the visual of the smaller table so if it were me I would go with the ACA, but clearly a matter of preference. Also, its spread is clearly less, so will that bother you? My 2.01 has a smaller spread for most 2.01s but I didn't care what its measurement was. Also, anyone on this forum would characterize a 1.995 as a 2 carat... but will it bother you that the grading report doesn't actually have a carat weight that begins with a 2??? It's funny, but if my stone didn't start with the number 2 that would bother me, but the smaller spread did not! Go figure!
Interesting point kmoro made regarding that the negligible could be right up to the threshold for medium fl - but for some reason it didn't - so for that reason, too, I would go with the ACA if I were deciding between the 2. But, as she said, it could've been just on the threshold between the 2 grades. I like how GIA splits that up into one extra grade (would've been more helpful to you in this scenario).
While I did read the info regarding the study disputing the negative of Fl (and with the actual preference now by many FOR a stone that does fluoresce), I still wanted to be very careful with my E. Mine has faint (according to GIA). My jeweler put it in the machine to assess if there would be a problem, which I am sure you could have either vendor do for you. When I was searching for E stones, I was shocked at how many had med-strong and I just didn't feel comfortable with that. But for a G, I think you will be fine with faint. My comfort level would not be to go with med for a G, but I'm a "worrier"! ALTERNATIVELY, I have a RB 2.65 round G color with STONG BLUE and there's no issue whatsoever... but I would never have been courageous enough lol to buy it... I inherited that stone. Definitely food for thought and you should give consideration for kimoro's advice that you shouldn't let it be a factor in your decision. To add even more credence to kimono's view, that diamond I just referenced, G with strong blue fl was purchased (many, many, many!) years ago by my late grandfather who actually worked directly for Harry Winston himself as a diamond cutter and sorter when he immigrated to the U.S. in the early 1940's. He obviously didn't see an issue, either ;-)
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Thanks for your reply. With many hours spent on PS, I think I prefer the smaller table too, but I've never seen it in real life so I'm not sure if I can see the spread that you're refer to. I honestly on mind if it's 1.99 ct or 2.0 ct, as long it looks the same they looks the same size to my eyes.
 
headlight said:
I believe that I see a bluish color in certain types of sunlight with my E faint fl diamond. I thought maybe it was just a combination of the lighting and my stone being colorless but actually just yesterday it occurred to me that maybe what I was seeing was a result of the fl so funny we are having this discussion today. I see that now there is actually a consumer demand for diamonds that fluoresce! Does this bother you that he confirmed that there is the bluish color?
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I honestly don't know if it will bother me or not as I never see it in real life before. That's why I'm debating whether I should take the save round and go with WF instead?
 
headlight said:
I believe that I see a bluish color in certain types of sunlight with my E faint fl diamond. I thought maybe it was just a combination of the lighting and my stone being colorless but actually just yesterday it occurred to me that maybe what I was seeing was a result of the fl so funny we are having this discussion today. I see that now there is actually a consumer demand for diamonds that fluoresce! Does this bother you that he confirmed that there is the bluish color?
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This could be reflection of a blue sky and not fluorescence.
 
8.12mm vs 8.04mm in measurement but I think there's an optical differentiation between a smaller table and a larger one (I'm not talking about any crazy large). So I don't know if it will look different to your eye. I mean, yes, side by side they would look a little different... but you will only be wearing ONE so you won't have the other as basis of comparison.
Can anyone else better explain what the size perception things to consider would be?
This is photo of the 2.01:
loupe1448289904RYV7zfPtA9sNKcED85j7.jpg


This is the photo of the WF:
hearts-and-arrows-round-diamond-ags-104104712014-diamond-157936.jpg


Just from the photos, I don't care for the HPD stone.. maybe just bad photography? Can anyone comment on the squiggly ring around the table?... I believe one of the stones my jeweler eliminated when he brought in stones for me had that and he referred to it as a "Charlie Brown" because it looks like the pattern on Charlie Brown's shirt. Does anyone else see what I'm seeing, or know what I'm talking about? Or perhaps I am completely off base in which case someone please jump in and correct me :-)
 
I had a chance to view an ACA and CBI together and decided to go with HPD after seeing them both in person. I was set on an ACA and had decided I was going to send it back and save a little more for a bigger stone and decided last minute to order from HPD and compare because I wanted to make sure I was getting exactly what I wanted. Needless to say, there was just something about the CBI diamond that I preferred. I had also asked my 13yro daughter if she could tell the difference and at first she said no and then said wait, that one has more sparkle, pointing to the HPD stone. The ACA was beautiful but like I said, there was just something about the cut and the contrasting on the CBI that drew my eye to it more.
 
I prefer the numbers of the ACA and I'm not a fluorescence lover either so definitely the ACA for me.
 
This could be another option for you to consider. Not sure how sensitive about colour you are but for the money you are going to pay, look at other colour options (H,I,J) to get a larger diamond. I would also look at getting a video done to see/compare size/colour etc.

Hope this helps you decide which option to go with.

Good luck :wavey:
 
Personal preference on the florescense. I am looking at a stone with that as well, and there are no issues with it whatsoever. This being a super ideal MRB, I wouldn't hesitate at all to go with the CBI. In a "blind taste test" I had a distinct preference for CBIs over ACAs.
 
Order the ACA, take it with you to a SITBI experience and compare.
 
I vote CBI (I’ve owned both and prefer my CBIs). And I love fluorescence.
 
Do you think there's a chance you might want to upgrade in the future? If so, I would go with Whiteflash because they have a bigger selection of stones in larger carat sizes.
 
DiamondsAndDior said:
Do you think there's a chance you might want to upgrade in the future? If so, I would go with Whiteflash because they have a bigger selection of stones in larger carat sizes.
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OP could do a custom cut with CBI if they didn’t have what he was looking for.
 
Wewechew said:
OP could do a custom cut with CBI if they didn’t have what he was looking for.
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True true. I should rephrase that if the OP might want to upgrade to a larger stone in the future, and isn't open to custom cutting, then she go with Whiteflash.
 
headlight said:
8.12mm vs 8.04mm in measurement but I think there's an optical differentiation between a smaller table and a larger one (I'm not talking about any crazy large). So I don't know if it will look different to your eye. I mean, yes, side by side they would look a little different... but you will only be wearing ONE so you won't have the other as basis of comparison.
Can anyone else better explain what the size perception things to consider would be?
This is photo of the 2.01:
loupe1448289904RYV7zfPtA9sNKcED85j7.jpg


This is the photo of the WF:
hearts-and-arrows-round-diamond-ags-104104712014-diamond-157936.jpg


Just from the photos, I don't care for the HPD stone.. maybe just bad photography? Can anyone comment on the squiggly ring around the table?... I believe one of the stones my jeweler eliminated when he brought in stones for me had that and he referred to it as a "Charlie Brown" because it looks like the pattern on Charlie Brown's shirt. Does anyone else see what I'm seeing, or know what I'm talking about? Or perhaps I am completely off base in which case someone please jump in and correct me :)
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Thank you for doing this for me. I think I can see what you’re talking about from those pictures. The one from WF looks way better than the one from HPD. Hopefully that just a bad photograph.:roll
 
chamois said:
This could be another option for you to consider. Not sure how sensitive about colour you are but for the money you are going to pay, look at other colour options (H,I,J) to get a larger diamond. I would also look at getting a video done to see/compare size/colour etc.

Hope this helps you decide which option to go with.

Good luck :wavey:
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Thanks for your suggestion, but I think G is the lowest color I want to go, because I’m worried if I go any lower, it would look too yellow for my liking.
 
DiamondsAndDior said:
Do you think there's a chance you might want to upgrade in the future? If so, I would go with Whiteflash because they have a bigger selection of stones in larger carat sizes.
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I might want to upgrade in a few years, but I think will get a better color/clarity in the same size stone because I have tiny fingers (3.5 size) and I think 2ct is a good size stone for me, so that will not be a problem with either vendor.
 
gm89uk said:
Order the ACA, take it with you to a SITBI experience and compare.
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I lived nowhere near WF or HPD, so having 2 stones side by side for comparison might not be an option for me.
 
Bella15 said:
I might want to upgrade in a few years, but I think will get a better color/clarity in the same size stone because I have tiny fingers (3.5 size) and I think 2ct is a good size stone for me, so that will not be a problem with either vendor.
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I have tiny fingers too! Size 3.75 :)
I’ve also been wanting to get a super ideal stone and have read a ton of posts on both WF and HPD. They both sound fantastic, so I think you really can’t go wrong with either. Since they both have a return policy, would you be able to order both stones to compare side by side?
 
Bella15 said:
I lived nowhere near WF or HPD, so having 2 stones side by side for comparison might not be an option for me.
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That's why you can buy the ACA, and utilise the see it to believe it service from HPD. You don't need to be close to them. They can possibly ship it to a much closer store. Ask them about it.
 
I am in the “wait” for my CBI from HPD (hpd10572 if you want to look at it), I haven’t seen it irl, I like the element of surprise and I have to wait for the setting. They were great to order from. Very boutique. they held the stone for a week while I made up my mind. I like the “warm” colors, was searching for at least a J so my K is going to be amazing.

I doubt the fluorescence in the stone you are considering will be noticeable unless you are in a black light area where it will be truly fascinating.

That being said I prefer the plot of the ACA. And the smaller table is a special thing. Neither will be noticeable irl to most people. BUT I would pick the 2 ct for the “2” and for the HPD experience.

Here is the thread I started about Fluor. I wear these OMC earrings every day and never knew one was a strong fluorescent until we went to this mineral show.... but now I know it makes me love it more.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/some-fun-fluorescence-pictures.247302/
 
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