Well anyone who is in any doubt, your friend's family just provided the answerWhile I was reading this thread a friend called me to ask that I help with his clients while he is out of town.
His younger step brother was out partying a lot went to visit his dad.
A few days later tested positive for covid.
A few days after that his dad had a high temp and passed away less than 2 days later. He had covid
This is good newsAn update from yesterday - the family does not have a boat, so they will not be anywhere on the river. The house they are staying at has a pool and they would be at the house the majority of the time. The friends parents that are renting the Airbnb have all been tested for Covid and are negative. Reason for testing was dad had to be tested for work, so the whole family chose to be tested.
We are thinking of letting her go only because there is no boat in the equation anymore. This removes the gathering with people, the herd gathering that terrified me and also the danger of being on the water period at the river. I grew up at Havasu and saw too many times the stupid things people do.
Essentially, she would be swimming and hanging out with the people she has already been around in her small bubble here.
She has to request time off work. So we will see if that is approved. If not and her boyfriend goes without her, we will be quarantining they for two weeks once he gets home. They are currently on a two week quarantine because he went to Vegas with his family this past weekend.
I agree with much of what you said. And I agree deaths from all causes are equally important.Is the death of a person from Cancer 12 months from now, because they didn't get diagnosed early enough (or at all), or didn't receive the treatment they were promised, less important than Covid?
This is exactly why.I think one reason COVID is getting so much attention now, at least in my country (Canada), is the fear that it could overwhelm the healthcare system. Not enough ICU beds, ventilators, etc. So I think that is part of why there is so much energy being spent on this one disease right now.
This right here would be the deal-breaker for me. It ends any attempt to discuss what precautions they may take and whether we could mesh our risk tolerances to make it work. Yes they are being conscientious with quarantining for two weeks afterward, but the choice to go to Vegas at all during this time doesn't sit well with me. Considering they were comfortable with that, it signals to me that I would likely not be comfortable with some of the choices they may make on this trip, and I would therefore feel confident in saying no to my child joining them.They are currently on a two week quarantine because he went to Vegas with his family this past weekend.
That is what I was thinking as I read the update too. The possible exception would be if they didn't need to fly and kept to a rental house while there. (Or with family who had been very cautious prior to their arrival.)This right here would be the deal-breaker for me. It ends any attempt to discuss what precautions they may take and whether we could mesh our risk tolerances to make it work. Yes they are being conscientious with quarantining for two weeks afterward, but the choice to go to Vegas at all during this time doesn't sit well with me. Considering they were comfortable with that, it signals to me that I would likely not be comfortable with some of the choices they may make on this trip, and I would therefore feel confident in saying no to my child joining them.
Oh hi lolThis is exactly why.
This is what makes the Covid 19 pandemic different from other diseases. It can and will overwhelm the healthcare system in any country where it spikes again. Period.
This is why it is critical to wear masks, to physical (I prefer that word to social) distance and to quarantine for 2 weeks when necessary. To stay at home away from others when you can and when you go out to take all the appropriate precautions. Not just for your sake but for others around you @OoohShiny and anyone else who doesn't agree with being super cautious etc.
This is the reason. It's not just for you but to prevent the healthcare system from breaking down and not being able to take care of those who are ill. Not just from Covid 19 but from many other conditions. Because if they are overflowing and overwhelmed people (with all different health issues) will not get the care they need.
I guess time will show the full story. For now we just don't know.Oh hi lol
I think it's interesting that France is currently seeing large numbers of new cases being found (putting to one side whether a 'case' should be only those with symptoms, as has always been the case historically AIUI, or whether it should also be those that are asymptomatic, which I believe is the first time the term has been used in that way) but very few additional hospitalisations or deaths:
We are seeing similar over here in the UK, so I remain hopeful that the rises being seen now will be a 'casedemic' (to coin the phrase used on some sites that don't class themselves as 'MSM') and the worst case scenario fears will not be realised.
If they are not realised, I am wondering what public perception of the situation will be.
Excellent graphs, thanks for posting them!NY statistics.
"The majority of the state's cases are in New York City, but the downstate suburbs are also major contributors to the total. Positive cases track only people with a positive COVID test result- because testing has been limited, the number of people who have actually been infected with COVID is much higher- about 10 times the positive cases, according to New York State's antibody screenings- on 5/2/20, they registered 20% of the sampled population was positive in NYC and 12% was positive in New York State. We do not yet know if a positive antibodies test signals that a person has become immune to COVID."
Brutal, more than wise.someone much wiser than me once said (and I likely paraphrase), a single death is a tragedy, a thousand deaths is a statistic.
I hope you are right @OoohShiny. More than anything I want you to be right about this.Excellent graphs, thanks for posting them!
It looks like it has now reached the stage that it's going to rumble on at low levels in the background, in term of serious infections and deaths, which is not unlike other respiratory illnesses, AIUI.
Whether it will be a seasonal illness, like flu, should become clear as the winter months progress, but I have a feeling that this year we will have already seen those vulnerable to it being lost, so I expect this winter to not really show any major mortality increase.