Opinion on this unheated deep red natural ruby and price

[DiamondDuck]

I got offered this ruby at $3500 / ct. Natural, zero treatment, deep red, transparent. It has a certificate from a reputable local brand I know, so I know the information are correct.
Dimensions (mm): 6.11 x 6.15 x 3.15
1ct total

My target is a pure red ruby, no purple/pink/black spots inside it. Preferably light saber bright red, but it's really hard to find. I don't really like pigeon blood colors, luckily.

I'm new to ruby so I'm not sure if this price is good or not. It looks okay compared to all other online websites I searched on. Round shape requirement is also a big problem, most ruby I see are oval or cushion. Often I see one with the correct color but wrong shape. I use this website for reference: https://thenaturalrubycompany.com/r...=1&weight-min=0.8&weight-max=1.2&shapes=Round

Could someone experienced with ruby give their opinion? Thank you.

 

[Autumn in New England]

For $3,500? I like it. It's distinctly red, vibrant, untreated (you trust the lab), and you've got some sparkle there. It's moderately included and the cut is shallow (which is causing light loss). So it's not perfect, but few are. @Bookwyrm and I were just talking about a 1.7ct pinkish-red ruby that was $30k/carat. Sky's the limit with ruby, you know? So if you like what you see, and have a good return policy just in case, I think the price is right.

 

[DiamondDuck]

30k / carat

For $3,500? I like it. It's distinctly red, vibrant, untreated (you trust the lab), and you've got some nice sparkle there. There are some inclusions and the cut is shallow (which is causing light loss). So it's not perfect, but few are. @Bookwyrm and I were just talking about a 1.7ct pinkish-red ruby that was $30k/carat. Sky's the limit with ruby, you know? So if you like what you see, and have a good return policy just in case, I think the price is right.

Thanks for your help! I also notice that it's shallow, but on the bright side it's a lot better than deep cut I've seen many ruby with over 1ct weight, but only 5.4 - 5.6mm diameter.

I always thought diamonds were more expensive than ruby. But some ruby colors are more expensive than any white diamonds I've seen

 

[Autumn in New England]

30k / carat

Thanks for your help! I also notice that it's shallow, but on the bright side it's a lot better than deep cut I've seen many ruby with over 1ct weight, but only 5.4 - 5.6mm diameter.

Yeah she's super spready, that's for sure!

 

[DiamondDuck]

Here's a pigeon blood ruby at 15k / ct from the same seller. I didn't bother asking details because it's out of my budget lol, but it's around 3.5ct. Also from Thailand.

May I see the pinkish-red ruby that you're thinking about? I think I haven't seen a pinkish-red ruby at that price. Thanks!

 

[Autumn in New England]

I don't have a photo, unfortunately! The size and clarity of that oval are nice, but I actually think I like the color of the round better.

 

[Sydneyphoenix]

I know a vendor who wants USD $100K for >1.5ct loupe-clean Mohok ruby…rather get 3-5 carat eye-clean ruby for that price.

 

[DiamondDuck]

I know a vendor who wants USD $100K for >1.5ct loupe-clean Mohok ruby…rather get 3-5 carat eye-clean ruby for that price.

could you give your opinion about the main ruby in the post? I'm not sure what else to look for (I prefer bright red but it seems it's only possible with spinel, bright red ruby is so much more expensive)

 

[dk168]

Treatment and origin aside, I like the stone in the original post for its colour, clarity and cut.

Not perfect as it is moderately included and the cut is not precision; however, the colour pops at me.

The face up size is good too for a 1ct stone as Ruby is heavy.

More importantly, 3.5k USD is a very good price.

I would grab it, and am not an expert.

All based on my own experience and preferences etc...

DK

 

[Sydneyphoenix]

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could you give your opinion about the main ruby in the post? I'm not sure what else to look for (I prefer bright red but it seems it's only possible with spinel, bright red ruby is so much more expensive)

The colour is great for that price and size also good, though with depth just over 50%, there’s some windowing. Moderately included, but decent price if no-heat Thai ruby indeed. Make sure to check out the certificate before you buy.

Another option is a pigeon-blood certified Burmese ruby (but likely MongHsu rather than Mogok), you can get those for from $4000 USD, with GIA certificate, and GIA criteria are stricter than many of other labs.

1.13ct GlA Certified Natural Unheated Burma Ruby Pigeon Blood Color Gemstone RMA87

GEM DESCRIPTIONSpecies:CorumdumVariety: Unheated Burma RubyWeight: 1.13 CtColor: Pigeon BloodCut: ExcellentClarity: Eye cleanOrigin: BurmaTreatment : No HeatLaboratory report/number : GlA Shipping method: FedEx /30 usd /Crystal Gift WB Gems Precision Cut Factory (Thailand) – Established in 2008...

wbgem.com

 

[DiamondDuck]

Treatment aside, I like the stone in the original post for its colour, clarity and cut.

Not perfect as it is moderately included and the cut is not precision; however, the colour pops at me.

The face up size is good too for a 1ct stone as Ruby is heavy.

More importantly, 3.5k USD is a very good price.

I would grab it, and am not an expert.

All based on my own experience and preferences etc...

DK

Thanks for your help! What would you say is a normal price for this ruby? With diamonds I can guess the exact price of any given stone with GIA cert, but with ruby/sapphire/emerald it's all over the place

 

[Sydneyphoenix]

Thanks for your help! What would you say is a normal price for this ruby? With diamonds I can guess the exact price of any given stone with GIA cert, but with ruby/sapphire/emerald it's all over the place

It’s not easy, and can’t use AI on youtube videos, but I would hazard a guess at $2500-3500 USD. I wouldn’t pay more than $4000, would rather get the Burma pigeon blood ruby with GIA certificate at that price.

 

[Saphir]

Buy an reddish pink sapphire or spinel.
the ruby has to much inclusions and come out of the stone, stone has large window.

 

[Rfisher]

I imagined a stone labeled ‘deep red’ to be darker than what those videos show.

Non helpful comment to your question, though.

 

[DiamondDuck]

Buy an reddish pink sapphire or spinel.
the ruby has to much inclusions and come out of the stone, stone has large window.

I want to have zero shade of purple/pink if possible, so most sapphires and rubies are out.

I'm looking for red spinel too in case I can't find a ruby having bright red color.

Also, could you tell me which part in the video that you noticed windowing? I couldn't see through the stone at all. Thanks!

 

[autumngems]

The colour is great for that price and size also good, though with depth just over 50%, there’s some windowing. Moderately included, but decent price if no-heat Thai ruby indeed. Make sure to check out the certificate before you buy.

Another option is a pigeon-blood certified Burmese ruby (but likely MongHsu rather than Mogok), you can get those for from $4000 USD, with GIA certificate, and GIA criteria are stricter than many of other labs.

1.13ct GlA Certified Natural Unheated Burma Ruby Pigeon Blood Color Gemstone RMA87

GEM DESCRIPTIONSpecies:CorumdumVariety: Unheated Burma RubyWeight: 1.13 CtColor: Pigeon BloodCut: ExcellentClarity: Eye cleanOrigin: BurmaTreatment : No HeatLaboratory report/number : GlA Shipping method: FedEx /30 usd /Crystal Gift WB Gems Precision Cut Factory (Thailand) – Established in 2008...

wbgem.com

Careful on this website, I found several listed as unheated then the cert says they are heated

 

[Saphir]

Complete table part to the bottom or more. Its only not to see because of the saturation of the stone color. For 3,5k you will get no ruby with ur wishes.
Buy an other red stone smaller, or red Garnet most of all stones have no fluorescence than u will have mostly 100% no purple parts.

 

[Crimson]

For $3,500? I like it. It's distinctly red, vibrant, untreated (you trust the lab), and you've got some sparkle there. It's moderately included and the cut is shallow (which is causing light loss). So it's not perfect, but few are. @Bookwyrm and I were just talking about a 1.7ct pinkish-red ruby that was $30k/carat. Sky's the limit with ruby, you know? So if you like what you see, and have a good return policy just in case, I think the price is right.

@DiamondDuck thar is a nice find , if the video is accurate. I agree with @dk168 that it is a good deal for the price. Sounds as this is something that just came your and you weren’t really looking for a ruby.
I love rubies! I do like this colour although I don’t it’s deep red.
I like the actual pigeon blood red - not the many pretend pigeon bloods that really aren’t.
@Autumn in New England I must have missed that conversation that you had with @Bookwyrm - where is it? I am curious! Confession - I have another new ruby item.

 

[DiamondDuck]

Complete table part to the bottom or more. Its only not to see because of the saturation of the stone color. For 3,5k you will get no ruby with ur wishes.
Buy an other red stone smaller, or red Garnet most of all stones have no fluorescence than u will have mostly 100% no purple parts.

Yeah I think I might have to accept using a spinel instead. Bright red ruby are so so rare. Thanks for your help!

 

[DiamondDuck]

@DiamondDuck thar is a nice find , if the video is accurate. I agree with @dk168 that it is a good deal for the price. Sounds as this is something that just came your and you weren’t really looking for a ruby.
I love rubies! I do like this colour although I don’t it’s deep red.
I like the actual pigeon blood red - not the many pretend pigeon bloods that really aren’t.
@Autumn in New England I must have missed that conversation that you had with @Bookwyrm - where is it? I am curious! Confession - I have another new ruby item.

> Sounds as this is something that just came your and you weren’t really looking for a ruby

Actually yes! I was thinking about ruby because in people's mind "ruby = red". But then I found that most rubies are pink or purple lol. Bright red or vivid red / vivid blood red are as expensive as diamonds or even more.

I'll look for red spinel too. Seems bright red is more common with that gem

 

[Crimson]

@DiamondDuck what fun! You weren’t looking for rubies but a ruby found you.
I love rubies and spinels - so many lovely shades of red. Happy hunting!
The prices of unheated, vivid red Burmese rubies has been rising relentlessly though.
I wonder how PS fronds feel about this statement by National Gemstone
“Collectors, keep dreaming—because Burma gems, Brazilian Paraiba, and no-treatment Colombian emeralds are slipping into legend too. Unicorns of the gem world, they're rarer by the day, leaving us all hunting shadows.”

Gemstone Price Trends :: National Gemstone

www.preciousgemstones.com

 

[Saphir]

Try to buy an medium or medium dark vivid orangy red spinel than u will have a good chance that u will be not have a purple hue outdoor in daylight or indoor under blue white light.

 

[Avondale]

I like how this vendor is always trying for a super close up shot but his camera can't focus this close.

I like the colour of this stone. Provided I'm correct in the assumption the first video was taken in indirect daylight, it looks like a nicely saturated stone. I wouldn't say this red isn't without pink, though. That doesn't bother me personally because, on one hand, I like some pink to my ruby, and on the other, the finest rubies will have pink flashes. Orange leaning rubies are considered less desirable and are less sought after.

I also like that in the second video the vendor is trying to show the naturals on the pavilion and the prominent inclusion under the table. I believe the clarity is a big part of the reason why the stone's price is reasonable, at least compared to the market right now.

The stone is, indeed, shallow, but that's not necessarily an issue with highly saturated material. It boils down to whether it irritates your eye.

If I were you, I'd ask for more videos that show how the stone looks in different lighting conditions. Rubies, like most other corundum, are dependent on the light. Sunlight and incandescent agrees with them, while low light can bring out the purple modifiers. When shopping online, it's best to have as comprehensive idea of a stone's different moods as possible, in order to make an informed decision and minimise the risk of disappointment.

Since you're considering spinel, keep in mind spinels are more prone to getting desaturated indoors. So you want to repeat the same procedure, more or less, with them as well.

 

[Autumn in New England]

@Autumn in New England I must have missed that conversation that you had with @Bookwyrm - where is it? I am curious! Confession - I have another new ruby item.

I need to see it STAT! Sorry for the confusion... we were chatting about it elsewhere.

 

[Sydneyphoenix]

Careful on this website, I found several listed as unheated then the cert says they are heated

That’s no good, better to check both listing description and certificate photo.

 

[DiamondDuck]

I like how this vendor is always trying for a super close up shot but his camera can't focus this close.

I like the colour of this stone. Provided I'm correct in the assumption the first video was taken in indirect daylight, it looks like a nicely saturated stone. I wouldn't say this red isn't without pink, though. That doesn't bother me personally because, on one hand, I like some pink to my ruby, and on the other, the finest rubies will have pink flashes. Orange leaning rubies are considered less desirable and are less sought after.

I also like that in the second video the vendor is trying to show the naturals on the pavilion and the prominent inclusion under the table. I believe the clarity is a big part of the reason why the stone's price is reasonable, at least compared to the market right now.

The stone is, indeed, shallow, but that's not necessarily an issue with highly saturated material. It boils down to whether it irritates your eye.

If I were you, I'd ask for more videos that show how the stone looks in different lighting conditions. Rubies, like most other corundum, are dependent on the light. Sunlight and incandescent agrees with them, while low light can bring out the purple modifiers. When shopping online, it's best to have as comprehensive idea of a stone's different moods as possible, in order to make an informed decision and minimise the risk of disappointment.

Since you're considering spinel, keep in mind spinels are more prone to getting desaturated indoors. So you want to repeat the same procedure, more or less, with them as well.

The stone being shallow is actually good (relatively) because I intend to surround it with a halo, so extra bottom weight would be useless. Some say it might have windowing, but it's so red that I cannot see through it at all!

For the inclusions, I don't really mind them because it's not a bright color or colorless stone. I think the deep red color hides most of them when seen with naked eyes.

I will check for its color under office lighting too. Thanks for the suggestion!

 

[VividRed]

My 2 cents. Nice color, but quite included and shallow + likely no fluorescence = dead looking in the sun and low light.

3.5k/ct for unheated ruby is suspiciously low for what seems to be a good color. As others have said, if the return policy is good enough, give it a go and see for yourself, OP.

 

[DiamondDuck]

My 2 cents. Nice color, but quite included and shallow + likely no fluorescence = dead looking in the sun and low light.

3.5k/ct for unheated ruby is suspiciously low for what seems to be a good color. As others have said, if the return policy is good enough, give it a go and see for yourself, OP.

Hmm, does shallow mean it perform worse in the sun / low light?

The seller also mentioned that this price is good (I can't find any ROUND pure red ruby over 6mm for under 5000). It has arrived for in-person checking today. Will update you guys!

 

[Bookwyrm]

@DiamondDuck thar is a nice find , if the video is accurate. I agree with @dk168 that it is a good deal for the price. Sounds as this is something that just came your and you weren’t really looking for a ruby.
I love rubies! I do like this colour although I don’t it’s deep red.
I like the actual pigeon blood red - not the many pretend pigeon bloods that really aren’t.
@Autumn in New England I must have missed that conversation that you had with @Bookwyrm - where is it? I am curious! Confession - I have another new ruby item.

Hi @Crimson and @Autumn in New England!

I managed to find the email containing a link to that ruby!

It was around 1.7 carats, unheated, Burmese, eye clean, crystalline, and pinkish red (not pigeon's blood red), with strong flourescence.

When I asked, I sure wasn't expecting it to be 55k USD! But knowing the vendor, I'm sure it's one spectacularly glowy gem!

I'm honestly just terrible at judging gemstones based on videos, but does that midle section look like a window or anything like that? It seems a little less saturated than the rest of the ruby, but I'm not sure if that's just normal. I haven't really looked into rubies much...

And congratulations on your new ruby @Crimson! You have amazing taste in gemstones so I'm sure it's incredible - have you posted any pictures here by any chance?

 

[Bookwyrm]

I got offered this ruby at $3500 / ct. Natural, zero treatment, deep red, transparent. It has a certificate from a reputable local brand I know, so I know the information are correct.
Dimensions (mm): 6.11 x 6.15 x 3.15
1ct total

My target is a pure red ruby, no purple/pink/black spots inside it. Preferably light saber bright red, but it's really hard to find. I don't really like pigeon blood colors, luckily.

I'm new to ruby so I'm not sure if this price is good or not. It looks okay compared to all other online websites I searched on. Round shape requirement is also a big problem, most ruby I see are oval or cushion. Often I see one with the correct color but wrong shape. I use this website for reference: https://thenaturalrubycompany.com/r...=1&weight-min=0.8&weight-max=1.2&shapes=Round

Could someone experienced with ruby give their opinion? Thank you.

I'm no help at all when it comes to rubies, but I just wanted to say good luck with your search! I saw a pretty flat ruby in a halo ring at an antique shop in Sydney yesterday, and I think that ruby had the best colour out of all the rubies in that shop, even though it was quite flat, so I think some flatter rubies can still look good? I'm by no means an expert when it comes to judging rubies though!