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JLMann82

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I've been lurking here for a bit now, and have learned A LOT!
Since I've started, HCA and "eye clean" have now been inputted into my search criteria. Thanks a lot...

I inquired about this particular stone from B2C, and wanted to get others' opinions.
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9746601/0-84-carat-round-diamond-g-color-si1-clarity
I've attached the AGS report as well.

My only hold-up to wanting to buy this ASAP is the size.
I was wanting to get closer to the magic number of 1, w/out hitting it and paying the inflated cost.
My minimum magic number was originally .89, that way I could say that the TCW w/ the setting would hit that magic number of 1.
The setting I already have is a Scott Kay pave from Jared (http://design.jared-diamonds.com/Item/R999211086703/sc)
I've read the threads that show size comparisons on actual rings w/ fingers, and the difference is almost nothing.

Any input so far?

Here's my actual search criteria...
- Shape: Round
- Weight: .89-.99 (I've been entertaining the idea of going down to .84)
- Cut: Ideal/Excellent
- Color: G-H (I is acceptable if it's got all of the other checkmarks)
- Clarity: VS2 and up (SI-1 is acceptable if it's "eye clean")
- Symmetry: Ideal/Excellent
- Table: 53-58
- Depth: 59-62
- Crown angle: 34-35
- Pavillion angle: 40.6-41
- Lab: AGS or GIA
- Price: ~$3000

After reading Beyond4Cs.com, the vendors I seem to check the most are B2C, JamesAllen, BrianGaven, and WhiteFlash....and stayed away from BlueNile
Once I came here, I inquired into USA Certified as well.

Any other/more input?

And again, I want to thank you all, for what I have read and learned on this site!
 

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This appears to be a pretty great stone cut wise. The report shows some crystal inclusions on the table, so without a picture, it is difficult to judge. Can you get a picture/video from B2C?
 
I actually called the representative back, asking for both a video and/or picture, and if it was "eye clean". She told me verbally that it was "eye clean", and that a video is on it's way.
So I'll reply and post it once I get it.
I was shocked to hear "Patricia's" voice, because I thought they were in the US...
After reading another thread on here about his B2C experience, I'm thinking that maybe this stone is from India as well.
 
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Here's what I got from them...
I know it's not that big and defiant in person, but this picture and video aren't helping me love it any more... Am I wrong to think that?

P.S.
I have a video too, but can't figure out how to post it...
 
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Where is the video? I am not 100% on that center inclusion, but most likely it will not be noticeable in person. Otherwise, it appears to be a nice white stone.
PS what you see at 6-7 o'clock is just a reflection from the tweezers.
 
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Here's the video, kinda... I had to make a GIF, by cutting it in half

And thanks for the clarification about the tweezer reflection! I was a lil worried...
 
Here's another that I've come across that's intriguing to look into...
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/0....Cut-Round-Diamond/D40783492?&refer=pricescope
I've already asked for any videos IS, ASET H&A...but they don't have anything besides that picture

And this one...
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...g-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-2698288
They mentioned that this one would appear "eye clean", until you noticed the flaw...and then couldn't UN-see it.

This is one they recommended, being more "eye clean"...
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3344797


P.S.
Sorry for replying to my own post ya'll, but this is helping me keep them all straight.
 
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@JLMann82 don't apologize:) you are sharing your selection.

Ok, I have a few questions for you;
1. I know that initially you indicated that you want a G/H stone, but I see that you are venturing into an I color as well. I personally think that I color is just fine, especially in that size, but I am not sure if you have been able to see different diamond colors in person. Have you and don't know if you personally have a preference, or you are going based on general recommendations?
2. You mentioned that you liked a setting form Jared. Most people here will advice you to stay away from Jared because they are not particularly popular with good craftsmanship. Have you already bought the setting and can you please share the style?
3. Last, would you ever want to upgrade the stone, if you can't get to your ideal size now, or you want this to be your "forever diamond?
 
I've already bought the setting. This is the one...
http://design.jared-diamonds.com/Item/R999211086703/sc
I got it pre-loved and cheap. I'm anticipating that I'll end up putting a new head on it, unless it won't be required.

For the color, I'm not set on G/H. I've looked a them, along with an I, J, & K. I just know that I will NOT like a J or darker. It just seems that G/H would give me more of a warm fuzzy.

And for the stone, she's not the picky one. I am. So whatever I get, she'll love no matter what. The reason I am being so particular is for future reference... If we ever DO decide to upgrade, or god-forbid she gives me back the ring, I know that I have a worthy stone in my possession to barter with. I don't want it to be "just another ring/stone". Does that make sense?
 
@JLMann82 thanks for the additional details.

Ok, if you already have the setting, that's fine. Make sure that it gets rhodium plated and it should be no problem to change the head if needed. The ring will look brand new in the end. Also, hopefully the size of the ring is similar to hers.

Also, were the diamonds of different colors that you
Saw all GIA/AGS certified? All other labs are not very reliable when it comes to consistent grading and many of them overgrade.

That said, there's is nothing wrong with staying above I color, but know is that there are many stones in the J range that still appear very white and J color provides extra savings. This is not to tell you to include J in your search, but more so for general information.

Lastly, and this is none of my business, but I hope that you have spoken about marriage. I wouldn't wish for you to spent time and money on a ring that may end up being "returned" in the end.

I looked a bit and here are some additional choices:

This is a pretty and very white 60/60 stone, but it comes with caveats: https://www.bluenile.com/build-your-own-ring/diamond-details/LD09122152
It is SI2, but it appears very eye-clean. It also has very strong blue flouro, which will active when exposed to UV light and it may cause some haziness. I would have BN check for haziness.
Upgrades with BN must be at least 2x the original purchase price.

This is a beautiful super-ideal diamond that comes with unbeatable upgrade policy, you can trade it in anytime for full value as long as you upgrade to a stone that is more expensive. No restrictions on clarity, color and carat: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3880145.htm

This is another beautiful super-ideal that also comes with a better than average upgrade policy, but you must upgrade 2 out of the 3Cs. I have stones from bgd and have upgraded multiple times with no issues. http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/d...ls/0.807-i-si1-round-diamond-ags-104094817031

Also another larger, well cut 60/60 stone that will most likely be eye-clean due to the nature of the inclusions and the size of the diamond. I would inquire with BN:
https://www.bluenile.com/build-your-own-ring/diamond-details/LD09307986
 
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll have to check them out when I get home. My work domain doesn't like BN for some reason...

And no worries on committing to the big M word to just be shot down. She's begging me. I'm surprised she hasn't asked ME yet...lol

As for the J & K stones I saw... No, they weren't AGS or GIA. I've read that it makes a difference. Reading that makes me more at ease to go with an I-color though.
I actually have a J-color saved on BG.com that looks good, but I'm not ready to commit on that yet.
 
@JLMann82 Which is the one you have on reserve?

And yay, good to know about the M commitment ;)

For BN - copy the link and paste into your browser
 
Actually, if I was shopping super ideal and entertaining slightly lower colors, I would go for this one: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/d...0.832-j-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104094817062
Below budget, nice spread at over 6mm. The blue fluorescence will affect the color positively. I had a J with flouro and it appeared whiter than the I colored stone I upgraded to.

I am not in love with the last WF stone - it is a bit too deep for my personal lacking. It is a beautiful stone, I am just not sure if it would be worth the price diff.
 
JLMann82 said:
I'm going to add these 3 that are also on my list, so I can delete the screenshot off of my phone...before she sees them

https://idjewelry.com/round-mc1740273.html

https://idjewelry.com/round-mc1715475.html

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9197511/Round-diamond-I-color-SI1-clarity

Thanks for the input on the WF stone. I'll check out that BG stone when I get home...and away from her.

When you mention it spreading over 6mm, does that mean it'll appear as big as an .84 from straight on?
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I doubt that you will see any size difference between .82 or .84, over 6mm is a good place to be with stones in the 80pts.

All of your latest stones appear promissing. I have worked with IDJ and they are really nice to deal with. They will provide images and ASET if they have the stones on site. They can also give you other recommendations.

The last B2C stone is also nice, perhaps even IDJ can source that one for you and take all the images
 
SimoneDi said:
This is a pretty and very white 60/60 stone, but it comes with caveats: https://www.bluenile.com/build-your-own-ring/diamond-details/LD09122152
It is SI2, but it appears very eye-clean. It also has very strong blue flouro, which will active when exposed to UV light and it may cause some haziness. I would have BN check for haziness.
Upgrades with BN must be at least 2x the original purchase price.
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I inquired about this, but they said it'll take upto 48 hours for a response...
 
I talked to Yekutiel on the way home from work.
He mentioned that both of those stones are from India, so he couldn't provide any more details unless he got them in his shop.
He did do a quick search locally for me while I was talking to him, and he raved about this one:
https://segoma.com/v.php?type=view&id=4GZWKHAVII
I believe the price was around $2800.
 
JLMann82 said:
I talked to Yekutiel on the way home from work.
He mentioned that both of those stones are from India, so he couldn't provide any more details unless he got them in his shop.
He did do a quick search locally for me while I was talking to him, and he raved about this one:
https://segoma.com/v.php?type=view&id=4GZWKHAVII
I believe the price was around $2800.
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Yekutiel is a nice guy, I am glad that you were able to talk to him. His suggestion is nice, it is a very well cut stone, nice eye-clean SI1. If I was making the choice, I would most likely go with the BGD diamond that is a super-ideal at a lower cost, but you need to see what is most important for you. Both are good choices.
 
I'll reach back out to him to get an exact price, but I wanted to include what all he just e-mailed me. HCA.JPG Scanox Report.JPG GIA 2257901072-Arrows-01.jpg GIA 2257901072-Hearts-01.jpg GIA 2257901072-IdealScope-01.jpg GIA 2257901072-Officelight black-01.jpg GIA 2257901072-Officelight Gray-01.jpg GIA 2257901072-ASET black (Fancy)-01.jpg GIA 2257901072-ASET white-01.jpg
 

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That last stone suggested by Yekutiel is pretty. Good IS and ASETs. The twinning wisps show up at magnification but push that stone back a foot and you'd be hard pressed to see them with the naked eye.
 
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