Old cut cushion colour X is equal to Y colour in a modern cut

[ccuheartnurse]

Hi All,

Going round the AVC bend again and wanted to get some ideas/ opinions as to what you thought the modern equivalent would be in a modern cut. We’ve all heard that old cuts face up whiter, but for those of you than own them, what’s your opinion. I realize I specified AVC but actually, I’ll open this up to OEC, OMB & all old cuts including ermerald & Asscher. If I like I - J (own several) what would my cap be on an old stone. I’ve given myself an L max as I’m interested in an 18K Rose gold setting.

Thoughts.....

Thank you...

 

[leukolenos]

I’m going to give you the really (un)helpful answer that I think you need to see some. Who knows, you might find and M you really like!

My experience is that yes they face up whiter, but they’re all a little bit different? I don’t really think there’s a simple X=Y equation.

Are you wanting a stone that reads white or something that has a discernible tint?

Edited to add....if you’re 100% getting an AV stone you might have a little more leeway in terms of “looking white” for the color. But then again it’s back to what you’re specifically looking for. Some of Rhinos old videos comparing stones do a good job comparing white/warm tone AV stones. Those might be worth looking up.

 

[foxinsox]

I'll also add in that how you're setting it will play a part in how much colour you can tolerate - if the basket is open and you can see a lot from the side, you might have a lesser colour tolerance than if it's in a halo or other sort of closed setting.. and if in a halo, is it diamonds or other stones surrounding it? This current thread on an M coloured tranny shows how white even an M can face up. So another vote for not discounting any colours until you've worked out your tolerance for colour in an old cut.

 

[LaylaR]

My thoughts: look in pre-loved (DB and LT). I was on there the other day and I saw some amazing deals on antique cushions.

 

[OoohShiny]

How about this from Yoram?
http://gemconcepts.net/boutique/beautiful-antique-old-european-cut-diamond/

 

[missy]

Hi All,

Going round the AVC bend again and wanted to get some ideas/ opinions as to what you thought the modern equivalent would be in a modern cut. We’ve all heard that old cuts face up whiter, but for those of you than own them, what’s your opinion. I realize I specified AVC but actually, I’ll open this up to OEC, OMB & all old cuts including ermerald & Asscher. If I like I - J (own several) what would my cap be on an old stone. I’ve given myself an L max as I’m interested in an 18K Rose gold setting.

Thoughts.....

Thank you...

Not sure I can add anything helpful that you don't already know but we all know that old cuts tend to face up whiter (and I think because the chunky facets play the role in that). And of course well cut diamonds face up whiter as well so if you marry a well cut with an old cut (ie AVC or AVR) you are on the right track. But I don't think you can assign a qualitative measure as to how much whiter. That is you cannot definitively say one color grade difference for example. As @leukolenos pointed out you have to see each old cut in person to see how that individual stone behaves.

Each old cut diamond has a distinct personality and I wouldn't cross anything off the list (within a few color grades of your color objective) that has potential until you see it in person. You just *might* be pleasantly surprised. Or you might not be but there is no comparison to seeing it in person.

Good luck and enjoy!

 

[Lisa Loves Shiny]

Many old cuts have frosted girdles which may make a lower cut diamond appear "whiter."

https://www.pricescope.com/communit...urn-for-a-stone-with-faceted-girdle-vs.30406/

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Having seen several AVCs, I am going to disagree that they face up whiter. They do in a sense since they are cut for light return, but the body color shows in large faceted stones like an AVC. If you put any lower color diamond next to a white diamond, the color is going to show. Be sure undertone is yellow and not brown, because the brown shows much more.

A PSer now owns this stone that I considered, but it every bit looked it's color which was AGS N. Gorgeous stone, but it the color is easily seen.



Here is what L and M AVCs look like next to a G modern rb (top ring to the left of the AVCs)...kind of chmapagne color, not white. I also have an O AVR and it is very bright face up, but it looks a little champagne next to my I AVR.

 

[leukolenos]

Having seen several AVCs, I am going to disagree that they face up whiter. They do in a sense since they are cut for light return, but the body color shows in large faceted stones like an AVC. If you put any lower color diamond next to a white diamond, the color is going to show. Be sure undertone is yellow and not brown, because the brown shows much more.

A PSer now owns this stone that I considered, but it every bit looked it's color which was AGS N. Gorgeous stone, but it the color is easily seen.



Here is what L and M AVCs look like next to a G modern rb (top ring to the left of the AVCs)...kind of chmapagne color, not white. I also have an O AVR and it is very bright face up, but it looks a little champagne next to my I AVR.

Agreed in that of course an M, N and O are never going to look “white” like an H+, but I do think their reflections are more pleasing in lower colors than say an MRB or other modern stones.

In terms of undertone I think it depends on preference- I have seen some brown undertones that I thought were really pretty! But as said above every one is a little bit different so it’s always worth checking out stones in person.

By the way...is that the 3ct N?!?!

 

[Octo2005]

Having seen several AVCs, I am going to disagree that they face up whiter. They do in a sense since they are cut for light return, but the body color shows in large faceted stones like an AVC. If you put any lower color diamond next to a white diamond, the color is going to show. Be sure undertone is yellow and not brown, because the brown shows much more.

A PSer now owns this stone that I considered, but it every bit looked it's color which was AGS N. Gorgeous stone, but it the color is easily seen.



Here is what L and M AVCs look like next to a G modern rb (top ring to the left of the AVCs)...kind of chmapagne color, not white. I also have an O AVR and it is very bright face up, but it looks a little champagne next to my I AVR.

You have a great jewelry collection! You should start a SMTB thread with all of your beauties.

 

[Bfelix]

My AVC is an M and arriving tomorrow. I don't have my modern RB anymore so I can't compare but I will let you know what I think about it tomorrow.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

You have a great jewelry collection! You should start a SMTB thread with all of your beauties.

Thank you for the kind compliment, but I unfortunately didn't keep the stone in that picture. I bought a smaller Y-Z AVC and had it set in a whiter diamond halo. I wanted a little more yellow.

 

[Crystal_Dreams]

I have an L coloured OEC and while I don’t mind the tint (I am VERY colour sensitive), I don’t think it’s decidedly more ‘white’ than a MRB of the same colour grade.

I think I just have more tolerance for the lower colour because of the chunkier facets and reflections. There are certainly lights in which my stone looks quite tinted to me. Mine is in platinum prongs and rose gold halo.

I don’t think I could deal with an MRB in L... my studs are BGD Ks and although much smaller, when they are off and in my hand, the tint bothers me.

 

[ccuheartnurse]

Thank you all for chiming in. I have seen very few old cuts, including the J I had very temporarily. Reading that cushions retain more colour, made me question just how deep I can go & still be comfortable. Thank you DS for that comparison pic because I do know, I should not be going lower than an L, possible sticking with K if I can do it budget wise. I have a modern J with med. fluoro. which is the lowest in a modern stone I will go.

Now I have to wait for more inventory. I'm humming & hawing between some stones but I'm not convinced with what is available at the moment. Of course, I can always cushion halo a round. LMAO ** sigh ** The madness never ever ends!

LaylaR, I'll have to get back on LT & DB. I had hoped to cap my search at $5K but I may have to up that a bit I see.

OoohShiny...that Yoram stone is nice but 8ct? I don't think that's in the budget. LOL

LisaRN, thanks for the link. It was an interesting read. I think for truly antique stones they might still have a bruted girdle. I don't think the modern cuts have it. I'm open to both styles as types as long as is well cut so I'll keep an eye out.