Oh No Tiger! How could you...

[asscherisme]

I know he is just a peson, I know that he is human of course, but I'm SO dissapointed in Tiger Woods!

My son who is just getting into playing golf (he is 13) adores Tiger Woods. Many kids have sports heros, often baseball or football. My son's sports hero is Tiger. Guess its an early lesson in how flawed people are.

Blech, another celebrity behaviing badly.

edited to add:

Oops, I did not realize there was already a topic on this. I looked but missed it. My tired brain did not put TW as tiger woods in the other topic. Sorry for the duplicate topic!

 

[purrfectpear]

How could he ?

He''s not the one who belted someone in the face with a golf club knocking out teeth

He is the one who was trying to leave a domestic violence situation rather than respond to it with equal violence.

He might not be the perfect hubby (who knows?) but he did everything right that evening IMO.

 

[HollyS]

Celebs are people. Mostly privileged and pampered, occasionally hard-working, often talented, and certainly completely and totally human with all the foibles that come with that. They make lousy personal choices too. It just gets splashed in the headlines while yours and mine are private mistakes.

Charles Barkley was correct more than a decade ago when he said he was NOT a role model; role models are parents, teachers, etc. It wasn''t his job to be a role model for your child, it was his job to play his best for his team and its owners.

Tiger isn''t a role model for your child. A golfer with game, yes. Someone to admire outside of the game, no. Why would you admire him for being a man simply because he plays great golf? You and I really know nothing about him on a personal level that should make us feel betrayed by him, sorry for him, or intrigued by his troubles.

 

[kenny]

Date: 12/2/2009 1:12:39 PM
Author: purrfectpear
He's not the one who belted someone in the face with a golf club knocking out teeth

Where did you read that?

 

[junebug17]

Date: 12/2/2009 1:12:39 PM
Author: purrfectpear
How could he ?

He''s not the one who belted someone in the face with a golf club knocking out teeth

He is the one who was trying to leave a domestic violence situation rather than respond to it with equal violence.

He might not be the perfect hubby (who knows?) but he did everything right that evening IMO.

Maybe I''ve missed something, but I don''t think it''s been verified that this is what actually happened...I know this is what people suspect, and I agree that it''s a possibility, but there hasn''t been a specific explanation of exactly what happened (I don''t think!)

The last I read was that Tiger has apologized on his website for "transgressions"...surprising and disappointing.

 

[meresal]

Date: 12/2/2009 3:37:35 PM
Author: junebug17

Date: 12/2/2009 1:12:39 PM
Author: purrfectpear
How could he ?

He''s not the one who belted someone in the face with a golf club knocking out teeth

He is the one who was trying to leave a domestic violence situation rather than respond to it with equal violence.

He might not be the perfect hubby (who knows?) but he did everything right that evening IMO.

Maybe I''ve missed something, but I don''t think it''s been verified that this is what actually happened...I know this is what people suspect, and I agree that it''s a possibility, but there hasn''t been a specific explanation of exactly what happened (I don''t think!)

The last I read was that Tiger has apologized on his website for ''transgressions''...surprising and disappointing.

You are right, nothing has been proven. And I have a feeling that post on his website is that last you will hear, from him, about the matter.

 

[charbie]

well and now that there is apparently some "proof" from a cocktail waitress that he was having an affair with her for the past 31 months...uh oh.

sometimes where there''s smoke, there''s fire. not all the time, but having an apology for his transgressions made...well, i think thats all the media needs to hear.

i feel bad for his wife, and i''d have smacked my husband with a golf club too!

 

[janinegirly]

Date: 12/2/2009 3:39:07 PM
Author: meresal

Date: 12/2/2009 3:37:35 PM
Author: junebug17

Date: 12/2/2009 1:12:39 PM
Author: purrfectpear
How could he ?

He''s not the one who belted someone in the face with a golf club knocking out teeth

He is the one who was trying to leave a domestic violence situation rather than respond to it with equal violence.

He might not be the perfect hubby (who knows?) but he did everything right that evening IMO.

Maybe I''ve missed something, but I don''t think it''s been verified that this is what actually happened...I know this is what people suspect, and I agree that it''s a possibility, but there hasn''t been a specific explanation of exactly what happened (I don''t think!)

The last I read was that Tiger has apologized on his website for ''transgressions''...surprising and disappointing.

You are right, nothing has been proven. And I have a feeling that post on his website is that last you will hear, from him, about the matter.

I highly doubt that we won''tl be hearing from him again. The notoriously private Tiger has already had to release 2 statements and not even a week since it happened. He will likely need a big ole heart in throat apology in the form of an interview with Diane/Oprah/Barbara/ or Larry.

 

[meresal]

Date: 12/2/2009 4:18:31 PM
Author: janinegirly

Date: 12/2/2009 3:39:07 PM
Author: meresal

Date: 12/2/2009 3:37:35 PM
Author: junebug17

Date: 12/2/2009 1:12:39 PM
Author: purrfectpear
How could he ?

He's not the one who belted someone in the face with a golf club knocking out teeth

He is the one who was trying to leave a domestic violence situation rather than respond to it with equal violence.

He might not be the perfect hubby (who knows?) but he did everything right that evening IMO.

Maybe I've missed something, but I don't think it's been verified that this is what actually happened...I know this is what people suspect, and I agree that it's a possibility, but there hasn't been a specific explanation of exactly what happened (I don't think!)

The last I read was that Tiger has apologized on his website for 'transgressions'...surprising and disappointing.

You are right, nothing has been proven. And I have a feeling that post on his website is that last you will hear, from him, about the matter.

I highly doubt that we won'tl be hearing from him again. The notoriously private Tiger has already had to release 2 statements and not even a week since it happened. He will likely need a big ole heart in throat apology in the form of an interview with Diane/Oprah/Barbara/ or Larry.

Just picking your brain, but why do you think he will "need" this?

From what I can see, he has always been a very private person (commercials and golfing aside), and the media never really cared about him, but I tend to think that his wife and the sponsors would really appreciate that he ignore the whole thing and let it die into the sunset. As I assume he would as well. He is/was more or less a very "good" person, on the outside, to most people that followed him, and I think that him coming out in response about about these accusations would only be justifying these claims, from women that are VERY far "below" the status of Tiger himself.

IMO, people want to continue to see Tiger as a good person, and probably don't want to hear any more about this than he wants to talk about it. From what I have heard in the golfing community and among people that followed his game closely, most just want it to go away and for hs family to deal with it themselves.

I would venture to say, that the golfing community as a whole, is not the normal purchaser of tabloid magazines.

 

[janinegirly]

It's not about the "golfing community." He is one of the highest paid sportsmen due to million dollar contracts and endorsments (more so than from winnings). Endorsers do not like bad publicity if it starts to spiral downwards or if it starts to negatively impact their product (ie moreso if product is family oriented). TW also has his own charities, tournaments--and a smirch on his public image is very embarrassing at the very least not to mention could affect future sponsorship of those events.

Furthermore a public figure cares very much about their public image, PATICULARLY a private / controlling one. Tiger has handlers, PR person, managers who will advise him to get ahead of the story (if it's not too late) . This is clearly why he released the 2nd statement (after the 1st said he'd be dealing with this in private, period). Public relations experts have already commented that he has already missed opportunities to take control of the story by not coming out in the open. Of course there are some offenders who take it too far (SC Governor comes to mind).

In terms of people wanting to continue seeing him as a 'good person', geesh, I must be a cynic b/c the way I see it the American media/tabloid followers ESPecially love a story that brings a seemingly perfect person down..

 

[trillionaire]

Date: 12/2/2009 1:12:39 PM
Author: purrfectpear
How could he ?

He''s not the one who belted someone in the face with a golf club knocking out teeth

He is the one who was trying to leave a domestic violence situation rather than respond to it with equal violence.

He might not be the perfect hubby (who knows?) but he did everything right that evening IMO.

ITA with this part. Everyone is outraged that Tiger has cheated, but HELLO, what about psycho wife? I''m not saying that I wouldn''t go nutso too, but attacking someone with golf clubs, person or property, is out of control. I def applaud that Tiger was trying to get away, rather than escalate the situation. I can take Tiger cheating, but not another ''Chris Brown" situation...

 

[wyndham]

Date: 12/2/2009 1:55:40 PM
Author: kenny

Date: 12/2/2009 1:12:39 PM
Author: purrfectpear
He''s not the one who belted someone in the face with a golf club knocking out teeth

Where did you read that?

Ditto -- I haven''t heard this anywhere?

 

[vespergirl]

The whole thing has been pretty disappointing for my husband - he''s been a Tiger fan forever, so he thought it was really not that classy for him to be running around with a bunch of tramps when he has a beautiful wife & two babies waiting for him at home. I''m a little more jaded, though, so I guess I always expect that when men have that kind of money, power, and fame, affairs are par for the course.

We had kind of a laugh today, though, because we remembered something that happened a couple of years ago when we went to see Tiger play at a tournament. We werew standing right next to him at a hole, and I was wearing a sundress and showing some cleavage, and my DH noticed that Tiger was staring at my boobs (I''m naturally busty). I turned to look, and low and behold, he was definitely staring. He kept sneaking peaks at them until they moved on to the next hole. My DH and our friends were all cracking up about it later, and I teased DH that I could have had Tiger if we both weren''t married. I guess Tiger doesn''t care so much about the marriage part

 

[trillionaire]

Date: 12/2/2009 7:41:09 PM
Author: vespergirl
The whole thing has been pretty disappointing for my husband - he''s been a Tiger fan forever, so he thought it was really not that classy for him to be running around with a bunch of tramps when he has a beautiful wife & two babies waiting for him at home. I''m a little more jaded, though, so I guess I always expect that when men have that kind of money, power, and fame, affairs are par for the course.

We had kind of a laugh today, though, because we remembered something that happened a couple of years ago when we went to see Tiger play at a tournament. We werew standing right next to him at a hole, and I was wearing a sundress and showing some cleavage, and my DH noticed that Tiger was staring at my boobs (I''m naturally busty). I turned to look, and low and behold, he was definitely staring. He kept sneaking peaks at them until they moved on to the next hole. My DH and our friends were all cracking up about it later, and I teased DH that I could have had Tiger if we both weren''t married. I guess Tiger doesn''t care so much about the marriage part

LOL!!!

Funny, but also sleazy and creepy, on his part.

 

[Haven]

Date: 12/2/2009 1:50:53 PM
Author: HollyS
Celebs are people. Mostly privileged and pampered, occasionally hard-working, often talented, and certainly completely and totally human with all the foibles that come with that. They make lousy personal choices too. It just gets splashed in the headlines while yours and mine are private mistakes.

Charles Barkley was correct more than a decade ago when he said he was NOT a role model; role models are parents, teachers, etc. It wasn''t his job to be a role model for your child, it was his job to play his best for his team and its owners.

Tiger isn''t a role model for your child. A golfer with game, yes. Someone to admire outside of the game, no. Why would you admire him for being a man simply because he plays great golf? You and I really know nothing about him on a personal level that should make us feel betrayed by him, sorry for him, or intrigued by his troubles.

I totally agree.

When are people going to figure out who the real role models are?

 

[trillionaire]

Date: 12/2/2009 8:04:05 PM
Author: Haven

Date: 12/2/2009 1:50:53 PM
Author: HollyS
Celebs are people. Mostly privileged and pampered, occasionally hard-working, often talented, and certainly completely and totally human with all the foibles that come with that. They make lousy personal choices too. It just gets splashed in the headlines while yours and mine are private mistakes.

Charles Barkley was correct more than a decade ago when he said he was NOT a role model; role models are parents, teachers, etc. It wasn''t his job to be a role model for your child, it was his job to play his best for his team and its owners.

Tiger isn''t a role model for your child. A golfer with game, yes. Someone to admire outside of the game, no. Why would you admire him for being a man simply because he plays great golf? You and I really know nothing about him on a personal level that should make us feel betrayed by him, sorry for him, or intrigued by his troubles.

I totally agree.

When are people going to figure out who the real role models are?

I think it''s pretty fair to let people determine on their own who they feel their role models are.

Charles Barkeley was attempting to shirk responsibility for his actions because he was a public figure. He''s not my role model, but he was for many others. Role model or not, these people in the public eye do impact at lot of people very deeply in a psychological manner. I don''t remember seeing confirmation, but there were many reports of fans committing suicide after MJ died.

To each their own.

 

[MonkeyPie]

I think it''s silly to jump to conclusions either way - NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVEN. Anyone can claim to have had an affair with Tiger Woods if they wanted to, shoot, I could do it right now. And no one knows whether Elin really hit him or not, either.

 

[KimberlyH]

Date: 12/2/2009 8:04:05 PM
Author: Haven

Date: 12/2/2009 1:50:53 PM
Author: HollyS
Celebs are people. Mostly privileged and pampered, occasionally hard-working, often talented, and certainly completely and totally human with all the foibles that come with that. They make lousy personal choices too. It just gets splashed in the headlines while yours and mine are private mistakes.

Charles Barkley was correct more than a decade ago when he said he was NOT a role model; role models are parents, teachers, etc. It wasn't his job to be a role model for your child, it was his job to play his best for his team and its owners.

Tiger isn't a role model for your child. A golfer with game, yes. Someone to admire outside of the game, no. Why would you admire him for being a man simply because he plays great golf? You and I really know nothing about him on a personal level that should make us feel betrayed by him, sorry for him, or intrigued by his troubles.

I totally agree.

When are people going to figure out who the real role models are?

I sit in the same camp.

Yes, people can choose to admire and look up to whomever they choose, and I can wish that people were more discerning.

I feel bad for their whole family that this has turned into media fodder, but especially his children who will one day be able to google their dad's name and hear and view the alleged taped messages. He has lived a relatively private life, for a celebrity, and I wish the media would respect that and leave him alone so he and his wife can sort through this mess, whatever the truth may be.

 

[Lilac]

Date: 12/2/2009 8:04:05 PM
Author: Haven

Date: 12/2/2009 1:50:53 PM

Author: HollyS

Celebs are people. Mostly privileged and pampered, occasionally hard-working, often talented, and certainly completely and totally human with all the foibles that come with that. They make lousy personal choices too. It just gets splashed in the headlines while yours and mine are private mistakes.

Charles Barkley was correct more than a decade ago when he said he was NOT a role model; role models are parents, teachers, etc. It wasn''t his job to be a role model for your child, it was his job to play his best for his team and its owners.

Tiger isn''t a role model for your child. A golfer with game, yes. Someone to admire outside of the game, no. Why would you admire him for being a man simply because he plays great golf? You and I really know nothing about him on a personal level that should make us feel betrayed by him, sorry for him, or intrigued by his troubles.

I totally agree.

When are people going to figure out who the real role models are?

I do wholeheartedly agree with the idea that the REAL role models should be parents, teachers, firefighters, etc.

However, you can''t tell a child who to look up to. You can try, you can tell them who *you* think is a wonderful role model, but bottom line is if you have a 10 year old boy who loves watching baseball, he will look up to his favorite baseball player as a role model. If he loves golf, he will look up to Tiger Woods or another pro golfer as a role model. While it *shouldn''t* be the case, and you can tell your children who the role models *should* be, if the child is allowed to watch baseball or golf, chances are he will pick a favorite player and will look up to them.

I don''t think there''s much anyone can do about that other than stress the importance of the other more "legitimate" role models - but you can''t completely change the thinking of a young child who has fallen in love with a sport or specific player.

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 12/2/2009 9:46:38 PM
Author: KimberlyH

Date: 12/2/2009 8:04:05 PM

Author: Haven

Date: 12/2/2009 1:50:53 PM

Author: HollyS

Celebs are people. Mostly privileged and pampered, occasionally hard-working, often talented, and certainly completely and totally human with all the foibles that come with that. They make lousy personal choices too. It just gets splashed in the headlines while yours and mine are private mistakes.

Charles Barkley was correct more than a decade ago when he said he was NOT a role model; role models are parents, teachers, etc. It wasn''t his job to be a role model for your child, it was his job to play his best for his team and its owners.

Tiger isn''t a role model for your child. A golfer with game, yes. Someone to admire outside of the game, no. Why would you admire him for being a man simply because he plays great golf? You and I really know nothing about him on a personal level that should make us feel betrayed by him, sorry for him, or intrigued by his troubles.

I totally agree.

When are people going to figure out who the real role models are?

I sit in the same camp.

Yes, people can choose to admire and look up to whomever they choose, and I can wish that people were more discerning.

I feel bad for their whole family that this has turned into media fodder, but especially his children who will one day be able to google their dad''s name and hear and view the alleged taped messages. He has lived a relatively private life, for a celebrity, and I wish the media would respect that and leave him alone so he and his wife can sort through this mess, whatever the truth may be.

It wouldn''t have been turned into media fodder if Tiger could have kept himself from having an affair with an apparent famewhore. I don''t feel sorry for him at all. His wife and kids, yes, but him-no. In this day and age it''s ridiculous to think that as a celebrity, you''ll ever get away with something like that. (Not to mention that it''s disgusting to cheat on your wife and two kids.) It''s his fault his kids will google him when they''re old enough-I hope they''re as disgusted with him as I am!

 

[TravelingGal]

You know...

I''d like to suggest you all support the TIGER WOODS FOUNDATION. Please donate so that he can have more than one cellphone so the world can move on.

Do you think I should nominate this cause for our Pricescope community project?

 

[movie zombie]

i''d be surprised if he didn''t stray......the stories about the golf "business" are notorious.

why we have expectations of these people that most people can''t even adhere to in their own lives is beyond me.

its a matter between he and his wife. its their matter to settle. they owe us nothing re their personal lives. if he performs well on the course and we want to idolize him for being a great player that''s our business. but to go further than that is naive.

mz

 

[KimberlyH]

Date: 12/2/2009 9:56:45 PM
Author: thing2of2

Date: 12/2/2009 9:46:38 PM
Author: KimberlyH

Date: 12/2/2009 8:04:05 PM

Author: Haven

Date: 12/2/2009 1:50:53 PM

Author: HollyS

Celebs are people. Mostly privileged and pampered, occasionally hard-working, often talented, and certainly completely and totally human with all the foibles that come with that. They make lousy personal choices too. It just gets splashed in the headlines while yours and mine are private mistakes.

Charles Barkley was correct more than a decade ago when he said he was NOT a role model; role models are parents, teachers, etc. It wasn''t his job to be a role model for your child, it was his job to play his best for his team and its owners.

Tiger isn''t a role model for your child. A golfer with game, yes. Someone to admire outside of the game, no. Why would you admire him for being a man simply because he plays great golf? You and I really know nothing about him on a personal level that should make us feel betrayed by him, sorry for him, or intrigued by his troubles.

I totally agree.

When are people going to figure out who the real role models are?

I sit in the same camp.

Yes, people can choose to admire and look up to whomever they choose, and I can wish that people were more discerning.

I feel bad for their whole family that this has turned into media fodder, but especially his children who will one day be able to google their dad''s name and hear and view the alleged taped messages. He has lived a relatively private life, for a celebrity, and I wish the media would respect that and leave him alone so he and his wife can sort through this mess, whatever the truth may be.

It wouldn''t have been turned into media fodder if Tiger could have kept himself from having an affair with an apparent famewhore. I don''t feel sorry for him at all. His wife and kids, yes, but him-no. In this day and age it''s ridiculous to think that as a celebrity, you''ll ever get away with something like that. (Not to mention that it''s disgusting to cheat on your wife and two kids.) It''s his fault his kids will google him when they''re old enough-I hope they''re as disgusted with him as I am!

It appears he cheated and yes that is disgusting, but I believe it should be private matter. Just because it has become normal that celebrities lives make the 6 o''clock news doesn''t make it right.

 

[miraclesrule]

Date: 12/2/2009 10:08:09 PM
Author: TravelingGal

You know...

I''d like to suggest you all support the TIGER WOODS FOUNDATION. Please donate so that he can have more than one cellphone so the world can move on.

Do you think I should nominate this cause for our Pricescope community project?

Ahahahaha, what a numbnut. I have an uncanny knack for piecing together pieces of the puzzle. Here''s what I think went down:

Media runs a junk piece of rumors about Tiger having an affair and it gets National Attention. Natually, it also gets the attention of his wife. Wife confronts Tiger and expects her husband to come clean with everything because it''s her life that is about to become front page fodder as well. Tiger denies all accusations and doesn''t do so in a way that satisfies his wifes "
gut instinct", so she decides to do a little investigation to see how forthcoming Tiger is really being with her. So she asks for his phone and email and other items. Tiger isn''t innocent as he claims. Tiger makes really stupid mistakes like leaving voice mail messages on the cell phones of women he has been sleeping with on the side.

Tiger''s continous lies bring out the beast in his wife. I think she may have even had some credible evidence of infidelity and he wouldn''t fess up. She foolishly (but sort of understandably) gets out of control and Tiger decides to flee the scene of his out-of-emotional control wife, but she starts bashing the vehicle with his golf club and causes him to hit the fire hydrant and then a tree. It is also my sense that she didn''t hit him with the club, but that he busted his lip during the hydrant and/or tree hit because he probably didn''t have time to get his seatbelt on ...what with the wife coming after him with a driver and all.....

If he just would have been man enough to tell the truth when she probably knew it....coward. Pathetic. I don''t condone the violence, but really, it should be criminal to lie like that and expect a woman to just remain unemotional with two kids at home while your man is out, probably jeopardizing your physical health and life with gawd only knows how many women.

 

[meresal]

Date: 12/2/2009 10:40:04 PM
Author: miraclesrule

Date: 12/2/2009 10:08:09 PM
Author: TravelingGal

You know...

I'd like to suggest you all support the TIGER WOODS FOUNDATION. Please donate so that he can have more than one cellphone so the world can move on.

Do you think I should nominate this cause for our Pricescope community project?

Ahahahaha, what a numbnut. I have an uncanny knack for piecing together pieces of the puzzle. Here's what I think went down:

Media runs a junk piece of rumors about Tiger having an affair and it gets National Attention. Natually, it also gets the attention of his wife. Wife confronts Tiger and expects her husband to come clean with everything because it's her life that is about to become front page fodder as well. Tiger denies all accusations and doesn't do so in a way that satisfies his wifes '
gut instinct', so she decides to do a little investigation to see how forthcoming Tiger is really being with her. So she asks for his phone and email and other items. Tiger isn't innocent as he claims. Tiger makes really stupid mistakes like leaving voice mail messages on the cell phones of women he has been sleeping with on the side.

Tiger's continous lies bring out the beast in his wife. I think she may have even had some credible evidence of infidelity and he wouldn't fess up. She foolishly (but sort of understandably) gets out of control and Tiger decides to flee the scene of his out-of-emotional control wife, but she starts bashing the vehicle with his golf club and causes him to hit the fire hydrant and then a tree. It is also my sense that she didn't hit him with the club, but that he busted his lip during the hydrant and/or tree hit because he probably didn't have time to get his seatbelt on ...what with the wife coming after him with a driver and all.....

If he just would have been man enough to tell the truth when she probably knew it....coward. Pathetic. I don't condone the violence, but really, it should be criminal to lie like that and expect a woman to just remain unemotional with two kids at home while your man is out, probably jeopardizing your physical health and life with gawd only knows how many women.

"Crime of Passion". However, I think she would need ALOT more evidence than an article in National Enquirer.

ETA: I know that nothing has been proven, but she could have been suspecting this ALOT longer than it hitting the media. That could drive a woman insane for sure.

 

[miraclesrule]

meresel: She has evidence now with the voice mail that is undeniable.

 

[kenny]

Date: 12/2/2009 10:40:04 PM
Author: miraclesrule
It is also my sense that she didn''t hit him with the club, but that he busted his lip during the hydrant and/or tree hit because he probably didn''t have time to get his seatbelt on ...what with the wife coming after him with a driver and all.....

If his facial injuries were from the crash there would be blood.

There isn''t in this police photo.

 

[meresal]

Ya, but that didn''t come out until after the "accident", so it can''t be used in court

 

[miraclesrule]

Oh yeah, I forgot about the "no blood found in the car" report. That would mean she was already going ballistic in the house and Tiger was running for his dear life.

I stand corrected.

 

[miraclesrule]

Date: 12/2/2009 10:51:18 PM
Author: meresal
Ya, but that didn''t come out until after the ''accident'', so it can''t be used in court

There were other ways for her to have discovered that before we did. My guess is....she did. Crime of passion. Jeez, why did''t she just let him drive off in the get-away car. She was really ape caca over this. He must have lied lied lied to her to the point that she felt she had to beat the truth out of him. So sad.