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So I''ve been in a maket for a diamond since late September and I''m finally getting somewhere knowledge-wise. I recently sent out a multiple request form to all of PS vendors, and so far I only found 1 diamond that is somewhat close to what I want and within my budget. The only problem is that the cert. is EGL-Israel, so the color is probably off by 3 grades, which would bring it from an I down to L. So I''d like to ask you guys to help me out with this please.

Budget is $5,000 tops. Cut Ideal/excellent or very good. Carat weight 1.0-1.2. Clarity, I''ll settle for SI1 as long as it''s eye-clean with a clean "map." Color no lower than an I.

Thanks in advance.
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Mpeykash,

Welcome.

Not sure if you've found yet the pricing tools available here. Look up!

From the search by cut db...though none are below $5K, 7 are below $5500, starting with this one.

On the bigger board, constrain for AGS only, and see many, including this one.

Final, note...careful for what you wish for...



Date: 12/3/2008 11:38:50 PM
Author:mpeysakh
Clarity, I'll settle for SI1 as long as it's eye-clean with a clean 'map.
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An SI with a "clean map," it's been said, can be more trouble than one with many little, observable inclusions on the cert.


Regards,
 
It doesn''t matter if the ''map'' (inclusion plot) looks like a super special on Saturday night, it can be loaded and still look great in real life.

It matters if it''s eyeclean, not if the paper looks pretty. You are looking at this the wrong way. If the plot had a single mark you would think great, BUT that one single mark must be quite substantial in real life in some cases to give it a clarity grade of say SI1.
 
Thanks for such quick replies!

As far as the map goes, I''m just very picky and OCD about imperfections. I have a very good eye so I would see inclusions w/o a loupe and it would bother me. And I didn''t even realize that clarity does not depend on visible inclusions only. That''s good to know.

Regular Guy,
I have found the pricing tool back in September and have been doing many searches through it. As you can tell, I''m also very indecisive=[

swingirl,
I don''t know how I missed that diamond! I can''t even see the feathers listed on the map. I like it a lot. But what are those blue spots? is that just the FL from the lighting or actual spots on the stone?

honey22,
So you mean that the one single mark could affect the sparkle?
 
Date: 12/4/2008 2:46:26 AM
Author: mpeysakh
Thanks for such quick replies!

As far as the map goes, I'm just very picky and OCD about imperfections. I have a very good eye so I would see inclusions w/o a loupe and it would bother me. And I didn't even realize that clarity does not depend on visible inclusions only. That's good to know.

Regular Guy,
I have found the pricing tool back in September and have been doing many searches through it. As you can tell, I'm also very indecisive=[

swingirl,
I don't know how I missed that diamond! I can't even see the feathers listed on the map. I like it a lot. But what are those blue spots? is that just the FL from the lighting or actual spots on the stone?

honey22,
So you mean that the one single mark could affect the sparkle?
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In case Honey isn't around, I will try to answer, what she means is you can't judge a diamond by the plotting diagram of the report. You have to check with the vendor whether a diamond is eyeclean to your standards. Also I doubt the inclusions noted would affect the sparkle. Nice pick Swing BTW!
 
I like JA website for that reason--I can see the diamond with a loupe to determine whether or not it''s eyeclean to me. GOG has awesome pictures too, but a little out of my price range=(
 
Date: 12/4/2008 1:36:34 AM
Author: honey22
It doesn''t matter if the ''map'' (inclusion plot) looks like a super special on Saturday night, it can be loaded and still look great in real life.
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LOL!
 
Just an FYI- My stone is an SI1, with visible marks on the map, but nothing that you can really see with your naked eye... In my opinion, my rock is STUNNING! So, don''t be so quick to dismiss those stones with marks on the plot map... Happy hunting!!
 
Well, I guess I waited for too long, because as soon as my hold expired, someone bough the diamond
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i was waiting for pictures for other diamonds i was interested in, and they got to me too late.
Can anyone help me find something like this? http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1190832.asp I''m kicking myself for not buying it right away
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Date: 12/11/2008 12:41:26 AM
Author: mpeysakh
Well, I guess I waited for too long, because as soon as my hold expired, someone bough the diamond
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i was waiting for pictures for other diamonds i was interested in, and they got to me too late.
Can anyone help me find something like this? http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1190832.asp I''m kicking myself for not buying it right away
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Ummmmm.....not sure...did you see the second diamond in my first post above (second post in this series)? It''s still available. Depending on pricing, it''s possibly better than your first.

Regards,
 
yeah, I''m trying to see if i can get a picture of the stone. The map does not look good to me, so I want to see if those inclusions are noticeable on the stone itself.
 
Try this one, much cleaner looking map than what Ira picked in his first post, just slightly above your budget.
 
Date: 12/11/2008 1:15:25 AM
Author: mpeysakh
yeah, I''m trying to see if i can get a picture of the stone. The map does not look good to me, so I want to see if those inclusions are noticeable on the stone itself.
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Please bear in mind that you cannot judge whether a diamond will be eyeclean or not by the plotting diagram of a grading report. Also be cautious where clouds are the grade making inclusion, particularly if you are looking at SI2 clarity as these can cause a loss of brilliance in some cases.
 
I can see where my pick of VS2 continued to reduce angina. This discussion may be helpful.
 
I have read that thread before, that''s why I''d like to see pictures along with certificates. It''s a bummer that Blue Nile doesn''t post the pictures. Do they e-mail them if requested?

At the moment, Josh from JA is working with me, since I lost out on that beauty swingirl posted. I am looking at a couple of stones from there right now. They all scored under 2 on HCA and look good on pictures. The first one looks especially good to me. What are your opinions on them?

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1201582.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1196964.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?find=1&cid=130&item=1201385
 
The #3 stone looks nice. Wish the cert numbers were up.
 
Date: 12/11/2008 6:08:55 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
The #3 stone looks nice. Wish the cert numbers were up.
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Oh, I have it.

Depth: 60.4%
Table: 55%
Crown Angle: 35 degrees
Pavilion angle: 40.8 degrees

GIA cert # 5101450590
 
Of the 3, I like #3 the best. Just my preference though, from the pic and that it has medium blue fluor. Just be careful of the very thin girdle, if it would cause any problem during setting and daily abuse, usually it is in the extremely thin girdle that this problem will crop out. Ask JA to comment on it.
 
Date: 12/11/2008 6:40:55 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
Of the 3, I like #3 the best. Just my preference though, from the pic and that it has medium blue fluor. Just be careful of the very thin girdle, if it would cause any problem during setting and daily abuse, usually it is in the extremely thin girdle that this problem will crop out. Ask JA to comment on it.
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May I ask why the preference is given to #3? Are the specs better or visual qualities? The picture looks darker than for the others, so It''s hard for me to really see the diamond.
 
Date: 12/11/2008 5:39:34 PM
Author: mpeysakh
I have read that thread before, that''s why I''d like to see pictures along with certificates. It''s a bummer that Blue Nile doesn''t post the pictures. Do they e-mail them if requested?

At the moment, Josh from JA is working with me, since I lost out on that beauty swingirl posted. I am looking at a couple of stones from there right now. They all scored under 2 on HCA and look good on pictures. The first one looks especially good to me. What are your opinions on them?

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1201582.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1196964.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?find=1&cid=130&item=1201385
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These are all nice stones and the first one is good if you are most interested in that, ask Josh for Idealscopes for all three.
 
Date: 12/4/2008 2:46:26 AM
Author: mpeysakh
Thanks for such quick replies!

As far as the map goes, I''m just very picky and OCD about imperfections. I have a very good eye so I would see inclusions w/o a loupe and it would bother me. And I didn''t even realize that clarity does not depend on visible inclusions only. That''s good to know.

Regular Guy,
I have found the pricing tool back in September and have been doing many searches through it. As you can tell, I''m also very indecisive=[

swingirl,
I don''t know how I missed that diamond! I can''t even see the feathers listed on the map. I like it a lot. But what are those blue spots? is that just the FL from the lighting or actual spots on the stone?

honey22,
So you mean that the one single mark could affect the sparkle?
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No, that''s not what I meant, but Lorelei explained nicely for me.
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If you are very OCD with great eyesight, then I would recommend you look at the VS range. You can''t determine eyecleanliness from a plot, you need to work with a vendor that can hold the stone it their hands and explain to you the nature and position of the inclusions etc. If you want to make it easier, stick to VS clarity - it will help with the mind clean issue too. I felt the same way, and went for VS2 in my stone.

Please don''t be worried at all about the plot, if you purchase a stone that is eyeclean and well cut, you will forget all about the plot and it''s clarity grade when you open up that box, trust me!
 
Date: 12/11/2008 10:22:52 PM
Author: mpeysakh
Date: 12/11/2008 6:40:55 PM

Author: Stone-cold11

Of the 3, I like #3 the best. Just my preference though, from the pic and that it has medium blue fluor. Just be careful of the very thin girdle, if it would cause any problem during setting and daily abuse, usually it is in the extremely thin girdle that this problem will crop out. Ask JA to comment on it.
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May I ask why the preference is given to #3? Are the specs better or visual qualities? The picture looks darker than for the others, so It''s hard for me to really see the diamond.
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Just because it has MB fluor, looked crispier to me and I do not like the ring of darkness around the center. Just my preference. All looks pretty good.
 
Thank you, all, for opinions. I feel better about my picks so far. I asked Josh to examine them in person, to see which one looks best to him, but totally forgot about idealscope images
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Will have to bother him some more
 
someone bought #3 today, so it''s out of the game
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I guess #1 it is.
 
It happens. Just ask the stone #1 be put on hold for you and ask for IS images else it maybe gone soon while you decide.
 
Date: 12/12/2008 10:15:43 PM
Author: mpeysakh
someone bought #3 today, so it''s out of the game
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I guess #1 it is.
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I am sorry, but you will find another.

I would say to anyone who is seriously considering a particular diamond, especially this time of year to reserve it before posting any information on it to avoid disappointment.
 
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