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SunImNw

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i'm thinking about buying this ring 2nd hand

judging by the cert what would you pay for this rock and ring?

setting is .9 carats vs-i1 quality diamonds set in 14k yellow.

seller has informed me that it is rare to see high table diamonds like this...can anyone attest to this?

We're really not interested in the setting but he wants to sell it as a package. i believe it comes from an estate.

I was suprised by the sparkle even though it scored like crap on hca.

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I wouldn't want this even if it were free, and I don't know what sparkle you are referring to. Good luck.
 
I agree with tourmaline. A round brilliant with a 69 table? I1 clarity and Good cut?

You'd have to pay ME to buy it.
 
Is the box original? If so was the ring purchased there? I am from Chicago and never heard of the jewelers on the box. But photo and phone number are difficult to read. Stats are not so good for this diamond and you obviously do not like the setting...all those warning signs... :nono:
 
The numbers on the GIA report do seem out of whack. But, it is a 2+ carat center stone I/I1 clarity. I would probably pass, but If you are really interested in this ring, I would not pay much for it and see if you could have it recut by BGD, I've heard he can do some amazing things for recuts. I might take the risk for $1500 max. but that's assuming a lot! Still it's worth something as is if you like and it seems sparkly. Is there a return policy? Maybe buy and get BGD opinion on a recut, and then decide to keep it if he thinks it's worthwhile for a good end result? All within a 30 day time period.
 
Actually, it would depend on how bad the I1 is. If it is a good I1, you could possibly cut this into a dazzling diamond that would be much smaller but worth WAY more than it is now.

It simply is not possible for us to know without better photography.

Of course, we have no idea of the asking price either. It may be way too high, or the steal of a deal of the month. Tell us more please. Can you get a good close up of the inclusion???

Wink
 
"seller has informed me that it is rare to see high table diamonds like this." If you translate that to mean that this diamond is so badly cut that there are few out there that can match it... sure he might be right.

As Wink said, you would HAVE to recut it. And it would lose a LOT of weight. And it really depends on the inclusions whether it would even be a good idea to do so. The cutting wheel is high risk, and no insurance will cover a diamond while it is on the wheel.

What is the price this guy is offering this to you for?
 
I’m a bit less harsh than the above, but only a bit. Bad cuts come at a discount. Sometimes a pretty good discount. You get to decide how much you’re willing to pay. A dealer would buy this for recut potential so they would be bidding based on how much they could get for the estimated results, less cutting costs, less GIA again, less some shipping, less whatever profit they hope to make on the deal. Probably then rounding down from that because they’re estimating things and it’s a fair amount of work, time and risk to deal with it. I’m not going to go to the trouble to estimate recut. It’ll probably be over 2 carats, but I’m guessing not by a whole lot and I wouldn't bet on it without a thorough analysis of both the proportions and WHY it's an I-1.

a 12% crown isn't especially high but a 38 degree crown angle certainly is, as is a 6% girdle. You get to decide if you LIKE these things. It’s not entirely correct to call them 'bad' but they're definitely unpopular and it’s usually that people accept them because they like the price and the higher weight rather than they actually prefer them.

The way to shop prices is to look up comparable stones from other sellers. Start at the database here and look up similar stones. Look at the ‘cheap’ end of GIA/I/I-1’s. Pick your size range you want to use and click the search button. That’s your comparative retail. If you’re looking to get a ‘deal’ here, and that’s the reason you’re shopping in this particular market, go downhill from that. How far down? That’s up to you. 2/3? half? 3/4?

You’ll get possibly a few hundred for the gold in the ring. Don't count on more.
 
I just went to run the numbers on it and realized it's out of round too. WOW. That is a very special kind of stone.

Setting is pretty much worthless for comp values. The diamonds might be I clarity. So the gold is all you'd get... so maybe 150-200 for that. (EDT: Just saw Neil confirmed that, good to know!).

I couldn't find a stone as badly cut as that one, I'll be honest. http://search.virtcert.com/cgi/u/1012/v.cgi?stock=15511645&_s=1012&_p=sdf348gd743&_c=&_fs=1&prestock=&_ln=ps but this one is only slightly smaller in weight, BUT has the same SPREAD and has the same fluorescence so it will compensate (slightly) for that.

Price on that stone is $ 7909.20 So... I'd be looking at under $4500 personally before I considered buy it.
 
Wow! this stone got to be one of the most "horrible cut" ever posted on PS... :knockout: ..A well cut 2.4ct should be more like 8.60mm in diameter.
 
Tourmaline|1396902421|3649152 said:
I wouldn't want this even if it were free, and I don't know what sparkle you are referring to. Good luck.
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I will just be honest and say pass on it if you like a diamond for its sparkle not size
 
Ok Ok one at a time.
I'm getting the overwhelming feeling that everyone loovvves this ring. ;)

Seller mentioned that they got the ring in 1993.
Not sure if the jeweler is still around not that it matters.
He was asking 15k. My offer was less than half of this amount and he wouldn't accept citing that he would wait for a better offer and told me he got better offers already that were turned down. His final price was 9k.

I thought it was an Ok deal if he bit at my price considering I couldn't find any rock that was 2.4 when I searched.
 
SunImNw|1396931516|3649510 said:
Ok Ok one at a time.
I'm getting the overwhelming feeling that everyone loovvves this ring. ;)

Seller mentioned that they got the ring in 1993.
Not sure if the jeweler is still around not that it matters.
He was asking 15k. My offer was less than half of this amount and he wouldn't accept citing that he would wait for a better offer and told me he got better offers already that were turned down. His final price was 9k.

I thought it was an Ok deal if he bit at my price considering I couldn't find any rock that was 2.4 when I searched.
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I honestly wouldn't pay a PENNY over $4,500. That stone is not worth even 8000 NEW from a RETAILER. Let alone second hand from some private seller.

The seller is deluded as to the value of the stone. PERIOD.

Most likely he was originally ripped off. Happens all the time.

Walk. AWAY.
 
I don't know what your budget it but here's a potentially nice 2 carat stone. It's got a decent chance of being eyeclean. It scores okay on the HCA, and James Allen will provide an idealscope image.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.05-carat-k-color-si2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-230254

Much better use of your funds.

Other options:

http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/loose-diamonds/2-01-to-3-00/2-13ct-old-european-cut-diamond-gia-m-vs1.html#.U0OEclewWhE

http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/loose-diamonds/2-01-to-3-00/2-25ct-transitional-early-round-brilliant-cut-diamond-gia-k-vvs2.html#.U0OEY1ewWhE
 
our budget is 9k.

what is important to her is carat and color.

what is important to me is cut and clarity, hca score and other things pricescopers care about... so we've been at odds looking for a stone.

She wants to be in the d, e, f color range and be in the high 1.xx or at 2.

I already know we have to sacrifice on the clarity.

I have this stone on hold right now til the end of the day.

I got her input on it and she told me it's too small :( so i'm looking for a larger stone.

http://www.solomonbrothers.com/DiamondDetail.aspx?sku=7F674355&affiliate=9318613A-AD0C-4530-A456-0409DFEFB8DE&utm_source=PriceScope
 
Hi, I'm a newbie so....

Does it have it be a round? I recently saw another posters beautiful (gorgeous really) pear shape that was huge for about the same budget for stone only. It was an I in color and I1 and she said it was very white and sparkly for a pear. The inclusion was hidden mostly but still visible at certain angles only and it didn't bother her cause she was gonna halo it. The size was over 2+ ct. and pears look big for their carat weight anyway. Other fancy cuts too look bigger than rounds of equivalent weight. Unless she's super color sensitive, going to an I (still in the near colorless range) is a great option and so is going fancy cut. Just trying to think outside the box to make everyone happy for such a significant and meaningful purchase.
 
yes she wants a round thank you i shouldve added that as the third must
 
imo, rounds tend to face up larger than fancy cuts- exception are pears which face up nicely for their carat size. but generally a cushion, princess, asscher... will face up smaller than a round brilliant of similar carat size. for example, my 3c cushion face up just a tad bigger than a 2.5c round and definitely smaller than a 3c round. however rounds are more expensive per carat than all fancy cuts. so at the end, it all evens out. i would just get her the shape she wants and work with that. regarding size...does she like halos? it can make the ring look significantly larger but you can still stick with your budget. my advice is, stay within your budget or only go out of it within reason. with any budget, you will need to balance the 4C's. and high color is really going to up the price, so something's gotta give.
 
Ok, just another maybe crazy suggestion, there's a ring on the PS cafe section that maybe fit the bill in the Preloved section. It's a PSer who's looking to sell her haloed 1.75 ct round of high color, so it looks bigger and has melee on the split shank. You are in striking distance of what she's looking to get, maybe you can come to an agreement if you like the setting and the round meets your and your intended's expectations.
 
luvdajules|1396966456|3649701 said:
Hi, I'm a newbie so....

Does it have it be a round? I recently saw another posters beautiful (gorgeous really) pear shape that was huge for about the same budget for stone only. It was an I in color and I1 and she said it was very white and sparkly for a pear. The inclusion was hidden mostly but still visible at certain angles only and it didn't bother her cause she was gonna halo it. The size was over 2+ ct. and pears look big for their carat weight anyway. Other fancy cuts too look bigger than rounds of equivalent weight. Unless she's super color sensitive, going to an I (still in the near colorless range) is a great option and so is going fancy cut. Just trying to think outside the box to make everyone happy for such a significant and meaningful purchase.
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Maybe it's time to take a look at the person you want to marry and where her values lie. If my boyfriend gave me a little silver band I would be over the moon to accept. Life isn't about the size of the rock on your finger and marrying the love of your life should not be conditional based on a carat, color, brand or price tag.
 
Maybe she doesn't realize how expensive these little white carbon pieces are? $10K is not loose change.
 
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Maybe it's time to take a look at the person you want to marry and where her values lie. If my boyfriend gave me a little silver band I would be over the moon to accept. Life isn't about the size of the rock on your finger and marrying the love of your life should not be conditional based on a carat, color, brand or price tag.[/quote][/quote]



I'll let him know now so he can save some $$$... :bigsmile:
 
She just wants to increase size and color while remaining in the same price range.
Just a little unrealistic unless we move to an i2 which I know we Dont want to do.

As far as the cushion halo one its egl and way out of the price range.

I want her to have a big diamond. I want to get a her a big rock. I'm not complaining at all just need to make more money. I'll get her a bigger one for our 2nd one. She is not materialistic or superficial.

As far as the little band comment...I Dont think many of the girls would agree with you. We are all here for the same thing and its not what you are describing.
 
chrisan|1396984917|3649942 said:
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.80-carat-h-color-i1-clarity-very-good-cut-sku-296428

this diamond you posted looks very milky/hazy/oily blue. bad fluro.
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Agree.
 
chrisan|1396984917|3649942 said:
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.80-carat-h-color-i1-clarity-very-good-cut-sku-296428

this diamond you posted looks very milky/hazy/oily blue. bad fluro.
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I asked them they told me it wasn't hazy.

I ordered this one by the way.

Its in production for me.
 
What metro area are you in.
 
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