Need you help- should I buy this stone?

[ooccttaavv]

I am very close to buying this stone after negotiating the price down to $11,500...Is this a good deal? The stone looks nice and sparkly. From a NYC jeweler with GIA cert.

Princess cut
Measurements 7.14-6.97-5.11
Carat 2.08
F color
SI2 - eye clear
Polish Very Good
Symmetry Good
No Fluorescence
76% table; 73.3% depth
Your advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/21/2008 1:20:31 PM
Author:ooccttaavv

I am very close to buying this stone after negotiating the price down to $11,500...Is this a good deal? The stone looks nice and sparkly. From a NYC jeweler with GIA cert.

Princess cut
Measurements 7.14-6.97-5.11
Carat 2.08
F color
SI2 - eye clear
Polish Very Good
Symmetry Good
No Fluorescence
76% table; 73.3% depth





Your advice would be greatly appreciated.

It is very difficult for us to tell without images of the diamond etc, but the main thing is if you like it! If you have looked at and compared with many other Princess and this one stands out then it is worth consideration for purchase.

You can compare prices of similar using the Pricescope your Diamond: search tool above, the prices given are for online stones, brick and mortar stores are usually a bit more.

I don't know what lighting you have viewed the diamond in, but see if you can check it out in daylight away from any store lighting ( which is almost always flattering) to give it a good test run so you can see how it looks in the lighting it will be worn in.

 

[Moh 10]

GIA does not evaluate cut quality in princesses.
AGS does.

Unless you have a huge amount of advanced knowledge on how to identify a well-cut princess I'd look for a princess that got the highest cut rating from AGA, AGS 0, and also read this other thread.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/princess-cut-ideal-cut.102479/

Apparently there are smaller bullseyes than even AGS 0 now.
Whiteflash has AGS 0 Expert Selection princess diamonds, and their even better AGS 0 ACA princesses.
I think Goodoldgold thinks the princess cuts they select are even better.

I'd be careful with the "if you like it. . . " approach.
An uninformed person may love a poorly cut diamond because they don't know, and have not seen, any better.
Get educated first.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/21/2008 2:37:50 PM
Author: Moh 10
GIA does not evaluate cut quality in princesses.
AGS does.

I'd look for a princess that got the highest cut rating from AGA, AGS 0, and also read this other thread.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/princess-cut-ideal-cut.102479/

Apparently there are smaller bullseyes than even AGS 0 now.
Whiteflash has AGS 0 Expert Selection princess diamonds, and their even better AGS 0 ACA princesses.
Goodoldgold says theirs are even better.

I'd be careful with the 'if you like it. . . ' approach.
An uninformed person may love a poorly cut diamond because they don't know, and have not seen, any better.
Get educated first.

Moh, if you read my post I advised if the poster liked that diamond and have compared it with others then it is worth consideration for purchase, see below. Also there are well cut Princess out there which aren't AGS0 graded, you don't always have to go that route to find a well cut Princess. Much of buying a fancy shape is dependant on personal taste and in the end is has to come down to a particular diamond appealing to the buyer. If our poster has viewed others as previously said and likes this one best then that is the main thing.

" It is very difficult for us to tell without images of the diamond etc, but the main thing is if you like it! If you have looked at and compared with many other Princess and this one stands out then it is worth consideration for purchase."

 

[Moh 10]

Still, what if they compare it to poorly cut ones? This is very likely - I think well-cut princess stones are not widely available at every corner jewelry store or mall.

Hence the recommendation to only consider princesses of a known high standard, AGS 0, and even get further educated to see if they can find the best of the best.
Isn't Pricescope all about directing people to the best-cut diamonds?

The "as long as you love it" thing is great to say after a purchase but IMHO shoppers can never get too educated.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/21/2008 2:43:27 PM
Author: Moh 10
Still, what if they compare it to poorly cut ones? - I think well-cut princess stones are not widely available at every corner jewelry store or mall.

Hence the recommendation to only consider princesses of a known high standard and get educated.

The 'as long as you love it' thing is great to say after a purchase but IMHO shoppers can never get too educated.

I know we get caught up in numbers and cut grades here, but in the real non PS world, diamonds are bought every day because the buyer thinks a particular stone is beautiful. That is the most important reason and something we must not lose sight of.

As to only poorly cut diamonds being available to compare with - well that very much depends, not all diamonds sold in jewellers are automatically rubbish cuts, and ultimately it is up to the buyers preference as to what THEY find beautiful, no one can dictate what one person finds beautiful, only the buyer themselves can answer that. Also it depends on what the buyer wants, not everyone WANTS to get educated, or spend the time looking, reading, researching or comparing, or even just going for an ASG0 stone if they are told it is the easiest way to get a well cut diamond, to some cut quality isn't even important as they value other things, they just want what to them is a pretty diamond and that is good enough. I completely agree that education is a wonderful thing ( otherwise I wouldn't spend the huge amount of time here that I do) but not everyone wants to go that route. They see a diamond that they love and want to buy it, end of story.

And in the end, ' as long as you love it' is the ultimate reason to buy a diamond.

And no, Pricescope is not all about directing people to the best cut diamonds. Pricescope is about helping a diamond buyer buy the right diamond for them, whether it be of top cut quality, or a lesser make, IF or I2 clarity, D or 0 colour for example and respecting that the choices we might make personally aren't necessarily right for another buyer. We take cut quality seriously here certainly but there are various degrees of cut and a diamond doesn't have to be cut to top standards to be beautiful. And also I would not want to discourage posters from seeking advice here if they don't want a top cut diamond, that they would feel we are only interested in diamonds of known cut quality, we need to be able to cater for everyone.

 

[Lorelei]

oocctaav, let us know how you get on with this diamond!

 

[ooccttaavv]

So I actually ended up passing on this diamond due to it''s proportions...however the same jeweler offered me this stone for ~$10K...again your opinions are very helpful and greatly appreciated.
Also is Fluorescence an issue?

Report Type: GIA Diamond Grading Report

Date of Issue: July 29, 2008

Square Modified Brilliant

Measurements: 6.98 x 6.91 x 5.00 mm

Carat Weight: 2.01

Color Grade: I

Clarity Grade: SI1

Proportions:

Depth: 72.4 %

Table: 73 %

Girdle: Medium to Thick

Culet: None

Finish:

Polish: Good

Symmetry: Excellent

Fluorescence: Faint

Comments: Additional clouds are not shown.

 

[Lorelei]

Fluorescence is not an issue no, you won't notice faint. As to the diamond, the same advice applies, we can't tell going by numbers, except that like the first diamond this one appears to be a ' commercial' grade cut. What are the grade making inclusions on this diamond, such as feathers, clouds etc? This info will be on the grading report. I take it you really want a 2 carat diamond?