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I’d like to start off by saying that this website and forum is the absolute PERFECT place for a guy like me to come and solicit free advice/opinions/knowledge without letting the cat out of the bag by asking friends/family. Diamond shopping has proven to be a huge PITA that has lead me nowhere in terms of being comfortable with diamond specs/shapes/sizes. Having browsed through the 200+ pages of engagement rings that have been posted by members I feel I am prepared in terms of my expectations out of the ring I am trying to put together.

A little bit of a background, I’ve been with my girlfriend for over 6 years (we are in our mid 20’s) and I am planning to propose in the late spring of 2011. Without getting into too much detail I’ve asked her in the past what kind of engagement ring she’d like. I didn’t even realize I had to ask as I thought it was my decision, as you can see I don’t know anything about this process. She told me she wanted a birth stone (blue sapphire) because it had a special meaning to her. After talking to a few people I was told I should get her a diamond and not a blue sapphire for reasons all too broad, it did boil down to the fact that everyone does diamonds and so should I. After some thinking and research I noticed that these blue sapphires are pretty cheap (relatively speaking) and I thought she was trying to make it easy on me. We’ve been through a lot together, from the poor university days, to me buying her a $300 car for her 21st birthday, you name it. Well times have changed and lot of the hard work has paid off. I definitely want to get her something nice for being amazing over the last few years.

My budget is 10k and I’d like to get her a stone between 1ct – 1.5ct. Her ring finger size is 4.75. I am not looking to buy the biggest rock I possibly can, what I am looking for is a round cut diamond on a simple/elegant/rounded white gold band that will not look overpowering or small, but just right. I came across a diamond that was 1.11 ct, round cut, vs2, h, excellent cut/clarity, no fluorescence for about 7k. To me that seemed perfect at the time until I browsed the 200+ pages of rings on women’s fingers in the other forum. Even with smaller fingers/hands, I think something in the range of 1.2 or bigger would be more fitting for her. At this point price becomes an issue as I still need 2k for my setting, I am not sure what variable of the ring I can compromise for size and if I should even bother. I don’t have much knowledge and with all this 4 C’s talk people show different rings with different specs and I honestly don’t notice much of a difference, the only thing I do notice is the size. This is of course to my untrained eye.

What do you suggest for my stone, what route should I take size wise, do any of you have examples you can provide of rings/stones on smaller fingers and how they look? Would a larger rock also get in the way of her daily routines or is anything under 1.5ct still ok?

Thanks in advance.
 
OK...if she specifically said she wants a sapphire, she might be disappointed if you get her a diamond. Maybe check with her again to make sure that's what she wants? Perhaps you can incorporate diamonds in the setting (three stone? halo? pave band?) or get her diamond earrings or a pendant as a wedding present?

I don't know anything about sapphires, but people in the colored stones forum can help you out.
 
slg47|1291599708|2788367 said:
OK...if she specifically said she wants a sapphire, she might be disappointed if you get her a diamond. Maybe check with her again to make sure that's what she wants? Perhaps you can incorporate diamonds in the setting (three stone? halo? pave band?) or get her diamond earrings or a pendant as a wedding present?

I don't know anything about sapphires, but people in the colored stones forum can help you out.

ditto. Does she want a sapphire for sentimentality reasons or price? CHECK with her first. You can always go with something like this:

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/settings-with-colored-sidestones/Blue-Sapphire-Ring.html

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/settings-with-colored-sidestones/ring/item_382-3615.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagemen...sidestones/Pear-Shape-Blue-Sapphire-Ring.html
 
slg47|1291599708|2788367 said:
OK...if she specifically said she wants a sapphire, she might be disappointed if you get her a diamond. Maybe check with her again to make sure that's what she wants? Perhaps you can incorporate diamonds in the setting (three stone? halo? pave band?) or get her diamond earrings or a pendant as a wedding present?

I don't know anything about sapphires, but people in the colored stones forum can help you out.

I told her that I will get her a sapphire ring for our one year anniversary, but I'd like to get her a diamond as an engagement ring. She gave me the "wtf" look, but was ok with it. In fact she told me after that's great and she agrees. :naughty:
 
0carat|1291600555|2788383 said:
slg47|1291599708|2788367 said:
OK...if she specifically said she wants a sapphire, she might be disappointed if you get her a diamond. Maybe check with her again to make sure that's what she wants? Perhaps you can incorporate diamonds in the setting (three stone? halo? pave band?) or get her diamond earrings or a pendant as a wedding present?

I don't know anything about sapphires, but people in the colored stones forum can help you out.

I told her that I will get her a sapphire ring for our one year anniversary, but I'd like to get her a diamond as an engagement ring. She gave me the "wtf" look, but was ok with it. In fact she told me after that's great and she agrees. :naughty:


good idea.
 
Amys Bling|1291600756|2788389 said:
0carat|1291600555|2788383 said:
slg47|1291599708|2788367 said:
OK...if she specifically said she wants a sapphire, she might be disappointed if you get her a diamond. Maybe check with her again to make sure that's what she wants? Perhaps you can incorporate diamonds in the setting (three stone? halo? pave band?) or get her diamond earrings or a pendant as a wedding present?

I don't know anything about sapphires, but people in the colored stones forum can help you out.

I told her that I will get her a sapphire ring for our one year anniversary, but I'd like to get her a diamond as an engagement ring. She gave me the "wtf" look, but was ok with it. In fact she told me after that's great and she agrees. :naughty:


good idea.

Any suggestions on my initial dilemma?
 
Definitely check with her first to make sure if she really wants a Diamond or she really wants a sapphire. You can definitely get a very nice sapphire and incorporate diamonds. One that comes to mine is a PSer name Pierrone's Sapphire and diamond ring made by Brian Gavin Diamond
Very Classy and gorgeous imo...
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/sapphire-20th-anniversary-ring-from-bgd.122909/


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ETA: looks like she wants the diamond first...ahhh well very good!.
 
I think anything under 1.5 ct is fine. What type of diamond/setting are you looking at? G/H VS2/SI1 is a good 'starting point'...you can also go to a store and see what your personal preferences for color are.

ETA I think 1.11 is a nice size :) but it really depends on your personal preferences.
 
Maybe you could get a sapphire surprise stone on this inside of the ring since it is significant to her... that way it'd be with her every day but not visible when worn.
 
Bravo!!! Congrats on your pending engagement.

I can tell you the #1 thing you are doing right.
You've given yourself AMPLE time to the research necessary to make a very informed decision!

You have a great budget and lots of time to work with so don't get too overwhelmed.

Your future fiance has about the same finger size as my fiance (she is 4.25 but I ordered the ring to be 4.75). After buying her diamond and designing a ring that I wanted for her. I can tell you, the diamond (1.215) is HUGE on her finger. In hind sight, I probably could have gone smaller. However, the ring on her finger is beautiful.

Suggestions for your stone:
1) you're on the right track. Keep reading here and ask as many questions as you want.
2) Train your eyes. Visit AS MANY b&m (Bricks and Mortar Jewelry stores) as you can
3) Look as as many diamonds as you possibly can. Look at a range of colors, a range of clarities, a range of sizes.
4) Examine different cuts next to each other
Since you have the budget for it...all the sparkle, fire and performance of the diamond comes from the cut.
You might want to consider focusing on Idea Cut diamonds.

Good luck with your search. You'll find you can get lots of information on pricescope. The one thing you can't get here is a line up of diamonds to see them first hand. Don't discount the value of that.


Good luck!
 
slg47|1291600921|2788395 said:
I think anything under 1.5 ct is fine. What type of diamond/setting are you looking at? G/H VS2/SI1 is a good 'starting point'...you can also go to a store and see what your personal preferences for color are.

ETA I think 1.11 is a nice size :) but it really depends on your personal preferences.

That's a nice ring, but it was for a 20 year anniversary, which seems appropriate for a sapphire :) That's what I'd like to do. Diamond for engagement though, at least in my case.
 
pixies|1291600974|2788397 said:
Maybe you could get a sapphire surprise stone on this inside of the ring since it is significant to her... that way it'd be with her every day but not visible when worn.

Do you have any pictures of this? I don't think I've seen that before.
 
pixies|1291600974|2788397 said:
Maybe you could get a sapphire surprise stone on this inside of the ring since it is significant to her... that way it'd be with her every day but not visible when worn.


When I designed my fiance's ring. I had them put in 1 surprise sapphire and 1 surprise diamond on the inside. They are hidden but she knows they are there. Each of those stones represent our birth stones.
She was VERY appreciative of the little personal touch.
 
0carat|1291601187|2788401 said:
pixies|1291600974|2788397 said:
Maybe you could get a sapphire surprise stone on this inside of the ring since it is significant to her... that way it'd be with her every day but not visible when worn.

Do you have any pictures of this? I don't think I've seen that before.

I'll take one right now...gimme a minute
 
IceExplorer|1291601089|2788399 said:
Bravo!!! Congrats on your pending engagement.

I can tell you the #1 thing you are doing right.
You've given yourself AMPLE time to the research necessary to make a very informed decision!

You have a great budget and lots of time to work with so don't get too overwhelmed.

Your future fiance has about the same finger size as my fiance (she is 4.25 but I ordered the ring to be 4.75). After buying her diamond and designing a ring that I wanted for her. I can tell you, the diamond (1.215) is HUGE on her finger. In hind sight, I probably could have gone smaller. However, the ring on her finger is beautiful.

Suggestions for your stone:
1) you're on the right track. Keep reading here and ask as many questions as you want.
2) Train your eyes. Visit AS MANY b&m (Bricks and Mortar Jewelry stores) as you can
3) Look as as many diamonds as you possibly can. Look at a range of colors, a range of clarities, a range of sizes.
4) Examine different cuts next to each other
Since you have the budget for it...all the sparkle, fire and performance of the diamond comes from the cut.
You might want to consider focusing on Idea Cut diamonds.

Good luck with your search. You'll find you can get lots of information on pricescope. The one thing you can't get here is a line up of diamonds to see them first hand. Don't discount the value of that.


Good luck!

Thanks for your response.

Is the diamond industry seasonal in any way? Are there times when I can find better deals than others? From now until April, would there be a better time for scouping up a deal? Do I NEED to buy GIA certified? It seems these diamonds carry the highest premium, I am not sure if it's worth it.

Another thing I've been wondering about, when people divorce and pawn of their rings/stones/what have you, how do I know for example that I am not getting a *used* stone? Where do all these online stores get theirs from and what are their mark ups?

Also, buying *used* is that something that should be considered? Are there deals to be had or is this a no-no?

As far as visiting stores, I have done that and in all honesty I don't notice much of a difference in colour and even if I do notice a difference I am not sure, which one looks better. I really don't know what to look for.
 
I believe this ring belongs to a PSer. You could get just one stone but this gives you an idea.

BrianGavin_5Stone4_061110.jpg
 
Thanks for your response.

Is the diamond industry seasonal in any way? Are there times when I can find better deals than others? From now until April, would there be a better time for scouping up a deal? Do I NEED to buy GIA certified? It seems these diamonds carry the highest premium, I am not sure if it's worth it.

Another thing I've been wondering about, when people divorce and pawn of their rings/stones/what have you, how do I know for example that I am not getting a *used* stone? Where do all these online stores get theirs from and what are their mark ups?

Also, buying *used* is that something that should be considered? Are there deals to be had or is this a no-no?

As far as visiting stores, I have done that and in all honesty I don't notice much of a difference in colour and even if I do notice a difference I am not sure, which one looks better. I really don't know what to look for.

you don't NEED to buy GIA/AGS certified, but these labs are the strictest so you will know what you are getting/paying for.

diamonds are not seasonal, some mall jewelry might be but in general prices on diamonds are fairly constant.

online stores-you can ask if the stone is pre-owned before you buy it. the stores get their diamonds from cutting houses and online generally has less mark up than B&M stores

as far as buying used diamonds, sometimes there are nice pieces sold on consignment but you have a pretty substantial budget. often times preowned pieces will not come with all of the information you would want to make an informed purchase

if you don't notice a difference in color then maybe go with H color, this is in the middle of the near-colorless range. you should focus on cut quality to get a beautiful sparkly diamond. what are you looking for (round, princess, etc...?)
 
slg47|1291602117|2788420 said:
[quote="0carat] Thanks for your response.

Is the diamond industry seasonal in any way? Are there times when I can find better deals than others? From now until April, would there be a better time for scouping up a deal? Do I NEED to buy GIA certified? It seems these diamonds carry the highest premium, I am not sure if it's worth it.

Another thing I've been wondering about, when people divorce and pawn of their rings/stones/what have you, how do I know for example that I am not getting a *used* stone? Where do all these online stores get theirs from and what are their mark ups?

Also, buying *used* is that something that should be considered? Are there deals to be had or is this a no-no?

As far as visiting stores, I have done that and in all honesty I don't notice much of a difference in colour and even if I do notice a difference I am not sure, which one looks better. I really don't know what to look for.

you don't NEED to buy GIA/AGS certified, but these labs are the strictest so you will know what you are getting/paying for.

diamonds are not seasonal, some mall jewelry might be but in general prices on diamonds are fairly constant.

online stores-you can ask if the stone is pre-owned before you buy it. the stores get their diamonds from cutting houses and online generally has less mark up than B&M stores

if you don't notice a difference in color then maybe go wtih H color, this is in the middle of the near-colorless range. you should focus on cut quality to get a beautiful sparkly diamond. what are you looking for (round, princess, etc...?)[/quote][/quote]

Round cut.
 
slg47|1291602117|2788420 said:
[quote="0carat] Thanks for your response.

Is the diamond industry seasonal in any way? Are there times when I can find better deals than others? From now until April, would there be a better time for scouping up a deal? Do I NEED to buy GIA certified? It seems these diamonds carry the highest premium, I am not sure if it's worth it.

Another thing I've been wondering about, when people divorce and pawn of their rings/stones/what have you, how do I know for example that I am not getting a *used* stone? Where do all these online stores get theirs from and what are their mark ups?

Also, buying *used* is that something that should be considered? Are there deals to be had or is this a no-no?

As far as visiting stores, I have done that and in all honesty I don't notice much of a difference in colour and even if I do notice a difference I am not sure, which one looks better. I really don't know what to look for.

you don't NEED to buy GIA/AGS certified, but these labs are the strictest so you will know what you are getting/paying for.

diamonds are not seasonal, some mall jewelry might be but in general prices on diamonds are fairly constant.

online stores-you can ask if the stone is pre-owned before you buy it. the stores get their diamonds from cutting houses and online generally has less mark up than B&M stores

if you don't notice a difference in color then maybe go wtih H color, this is in the middle of the near-colorless range. you should focus on cut quality to get a beautiful sparkly diamond. what are you looking for (round, princess, etc...?)[/quote][/quote]

Round cut.
 
what kind of setting are you looking for, or do you have one picked out?
 
I made the pictures much smaller so the quality isn't top notch.

Sorry about the fuzz too. I couldn't see that until the macro pic came out.


I hope this gives you an idea.

You can see the diamond and the sapphire next to each other.

The big 'bump' is a sizing beads that we put in because I got her ring at 4.75 but her fingers are smaller so we chose to put those in instead of cutting the ring down to the right size. Incidentally, she would highly recommend them.

Let me know if you have more questions.

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PC054122.JPG
 
IceExplorer|1291603574|2788445 said:
I made the pictures much smaller so the quality isn't top notch.

Sorry about the fuzz too. I couldn't see that until the macro pic came out.


I hope this gives you an idea.

You can see the diamond and the sapphire next to each other.

The big 'bump' is a sizing beads that we put in because I got her ring at 4.75 but her fingers are smaller so we chose to put those in instead of cutting the ring down to the right size. Incidentally, she would highly recommend them.

Let me know if you have more questions.

Thanks a lot for the pics. That ring looks very nice, i really like the thickness of the prongs and the design.

A few questions, why is the ring flatter on the bottom, is this actually a design so that's more practical if she is holding something in that hand?

How much is that setting minus the diamonds on it?

Lastly, that rock is ideal, what are the exact specs and how much did you pay (if you don't mind) and from where?

Also, i know this is a lot to ask, but do you have a pic of it on her finger, that would be easier to visualize?

Thanks a lot man, I really appreciate it.
 
slg47|1291602498|2788427 said:
what kind of setting are you looking for, or do you have one picked out?

I don't have one picked out, but I'd like white gold, thicker band with rounded edges that's pretty simple symmetrical all around, it's the prong design (not sure what to call that part)/crown looking thing that holds the stone. I am not sure if I should go with a 6 prong or 4. As silly as it seems I want to go with 6 as I am worried that if something was to happen to one or two of the prongs on a 4 prong setting she might lose the diamond.

Something like this:


14k_White_Gold_Engagement_Ring_Setting.jpg
 
pixies|1291600974|2788397 said:
Maybe you could get a sapphire surprise stone on this inside of the ring since it is significant to her... that way it'd be with her every day but not visible when worn.

Love surprise stones, I do! But not on the side of the shank (or if on the side of the shank, only on one side of the shank) because sapphires are not as hard as diamonds, so will scratch against other bands (like the wedding band).
 
Nothing wrong with 6 prongs. As you say, they are more secure. I would just say that a thicker band might be more comfortable, but will make the center diamond look relatively smaller (less "pop" factor).

If you like the setting you have above, check out Mark Morrell's work. His "flame" setting has superb workmanship and he's my current fave.
 
antelope1|1291611907|2788578 said:
Nothing wrong with 6 prongs. As you say, they are more secure. I would just say that a thicker band might be more comfortable, but will make the center diamond look relatively smaller (less "pop" factor).

If you like the setting you have above, check out Mark Morrell's work. His "flame" setting has superb workmanship and he's my current fave.

ooh good call :) those settings are gorgeous
 
antelope1|1291611907|2788578 said:
Nothing wrong with 6 prongs. As you say, they are more secure. I would just say that a thicker band might be more comfortable, but will make the center diamond look relatively smaller (less "pop" factor).

If you like the setting you have above, check out Mark Morrell's work. His "flame" setting has superb workmanship and he's my current fave.

I just looked at it, and it's not bad at all. Good call on the thickness, I didn't really think of the "pop" factor. I suppose you are right.
 
I browsed through some more engagement ring pics on this forum and I noticed that a lot of people go for SI1 clarity (I was thinking of going at least VS2), as long as it's clean to the eye, which everyone state it is.

So people give up on clarity, but keep at least H colour or better, excellent cut/polish/symmetry. If i was to go down from VS2 to SI1 then it does give me a little bit of room to play with the carat size and go from 1.1 to ~1.2. Thoughts on this? I think this seems like a better bang for your buck move.

I've also read about cushion cut, which makes the diamond appear bigger. Are there downfalls to this, does the diamond sparkle less?
 
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