Natural Blue diamond bought with certificate at Dubai

[JJL]

Hello Everyone,

I am currently deployed to Afghanistan, and just came back from R & R.
My R & R was 1 week staying at Dubai, and I've decided to purchase Natural Blue Diamond.
I bought it from the large mall at Dubai, and seller guaranteed that this diamond is natural blue diamond.
It came with certification from ISO certified lab, but not sure if I made the right decision or not.
After all, I am just amateur in terms of any gem purchasing.
Here is information from the certification.

GEMMOLOGICAL REPORT OF AUTHENTICITY

Variety: Natural Diamond
Weight: 1 cts.
Color: Blue
Shape Cut: Round Brilliant
Measurements: 6.16 - 6.15 x 3.98 mm
Refractive Index : 1.79 over range
Comments: N.A.

This is my first diamond purchase, and I have no idea what above information means.
However, I've contact the lab via e-mail, and they've verified that lab report is from that lab for the item specified above.
I just need professional opinion on my purchase.
Your help will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

V/R

CPT JJL

 

[Circe]

I'm afraid that it's very likely to be irradiated, unless you paid in seven-figure territory. Irradiated stones are indeed natural diamonds ... just not naturally blue diamonds.

How much did you pay? And what color is the stone? Irradiated blues typically have a kind of a teal brightness to them.

 

[tyty333]

Just want to say hi and thank you for your service .


What Circe said is true. A 1 carat natural blue diamond would not be affordable. It probably is
Irradiated.

That being said if you like the way it looks, paid a reasonable price for it and don't mind
It being irradiated then it could be worth keeping.

 

[distracts]

Yeah, it is natural in that it is a natural diamond, but it did NOT come out of the ground blue - it was irradiated to achieve that color. Believe me, if it came out of the ground blue, your pocketbook would know it (and you would probably not have been able to buy it at a mall store)!

 

[JJL]

Guys,

I called that lab in order to confirm what you guys think it is (Irradiated Blue Daimond).
According to the lab, this specific case, they could not find any trace of radiation at all.
That is the reason why they put N.A. on the comment portion.
Moreover, they advice me to do further research by sending this blue diamond to GIA or IGI or EGL.
Your advice? or thought?
Below is the picture of the cert and diamond.
Thanks.

 

[Circe]

The thing is, all labs are not created equal. I'm afraid I've never heard of that one. For all you know, the number goes to the shop-owner's back room.

To my eyes, that looks very much like an irradiated diamond. But like TyTy said, the important thing is that you like it and paid a fair price for what it is. Would you be comfortable sharing how much you paid?

 

[davi_el_mejor]

Send it to GIA if you still believe it's natural for color diamond. That's the best lab for something as RARE and extraordinary stone like a 1ct NATURAL fancy deep blue diamond. The IGITL report for that stone cost 12 USD... That should say something about how they came up with the "no signs of radiation." There's a reason why other labs cost so much more... they have the equipment to really see if a stone has been doctored.

My two cents Captain - It's irradiated. It will only cost an extra $100 US (plus shipping) to have GIA look at it though.

To reiterate what everyone else has said- If you love it and paid a fair price for an irradiated blue 1ct diamond then by all means LOVE IT!

 

[kenny]

Was it about a million dollars?

If not, it's color is the result of treatment.
It also very much looks like the other treated blue diamonds I've seen.

"Natural" refers to two totally separate things:
1. The material was mined out of the ground, as opposed to grown in a lab.
2. The origin of the color is natural processes and the color is exactly how it came out of the earth, or the result of treatment by man.

Your diamond may have been mined out of the ground, and therefor IS a natural diamond.
But a seller calling it a a "natural blue diamond" is only a half-truth, (which is half lie.)

There is nothing wrong with treated diamonds.
There IS something wrong with being lied to, and believing what you have is fully natural and worth a million bucks when you paid very little for it.

Yes GIA is the only lab I trust when I buy colored diamonds, but IMHO you are throwing your money away even getting it graded.

Again if you are fine with it being treated and like it, just enjoy it.
If not, can you return it?
May I ask what the price was?

To give you an idea of prices of fully natural blue diamonds, this GIA-graded fully natural greenish blue (with much more pale and therefore cheaper color than yours) is only 0.08 carat, yet costs $4,100.

http://www.fancydiamonds.net/view_diamonds/9556.htm


This one is 0.24 carat and over $60,000.
http://www.fancydiamonds.net/view_diamonds/2958.htm

 

[sonnyjane]

JJL, I know that you're new and might be reluctant to take the advice of the folks here as gospel, but let me assure you that the stone you bought is not a natural blue diamond. Looking at the pictures but moreover the certification makes me 100% positive it is an irradiated stone. As Kenny said, a 1 ct. natural blue would easily be 7 figures. Obviously unless you're planning a stopover in Dubai to return the stone, there's nothing you can do about it at this point, but at least you know what you currently own, which is an irradiated blue diamond.

P.S. my husband just returned from Afghanistan earlier this year. Stay safe!

 

[kenny]

JJL, I do hope this experience has not turned you off to FCDs, fancy colored diamonds.

Fully natural FCDs are available in colors and sizes for everyone's budget.
Look at the wide range of colors of fully natural diamonds: http://www.fancydiamonds.net/diamond_education/world_of_colors
Also notice there is one natural blue round near the center of the chart that has that teal look of many irradiated diamonds.
This is proof that such color is not always irradiated.
Wouldn't it be ironic to pay zillions of bucks for this natural FCD when most knowledgeable people are going to think is treated.



You don't have to fall into in the 1-ct Fancy Deep Blue demographic to acquire a beautiful and GIA-graded fully natural FCD.
Plenty of us here on Pricescope have been very happy with smaller FCDs of more affordable colors.
Some brave souls here have even taken a gamble buying ungraded FCDs on eBay for very low prices, sent them to GIA and discovered them to be fully natural and worth many times what they paid.

If interested in learning more about FCDs Pricescope has put together this introductory article.

https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/fancy-color-diamonds

I personally am somewhat of an obsessive FCD nutcase who loves FCDs and pursues the macrophotography of them.

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/fancy-colored-diamond-collection.159746/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/fancy-colored-diamond-collection.159746/[/URL]

This forum, Rocky Talk, is for diamonds.
Pricescope has another forum dedicated to Colored Stones

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/forum/colored-stones/']https://www.pricescope.com/forum/colored-stones/[/URL]

While FCDs are both diamonds and colored stones it turns out there is more FCD activity on the Colored Stones forum than on Rocky Talk.
FYI you may want to read this article: http://www.modernjeweler.com/online/article.jsp?siteSection=2&id=290&pageNum=1

 

[denverappraiser]

Thank you for your service.

Color treatment is not a defect. It is what it is and if you love it for what it is, there's no problem ... with the stone.

Misrepresenting color origin is a problem with the DEALER. The fact that they provided a 'certificate' that obfuscates the issue just makes it worse. Saying nothing or 'Comments: N.A.' is not the same thing as providing proper disclosure. I haven't a clue what Dubai laws are like on this sort of thing but in the US, this transaction would be illegal unless there's more disclosure paperwork than what you're showing.

What led you to choose this particular stone?

There are a few key questions here:

Do you love it?
Was the issue of color treatment discussed or presented in any way? Do you care?
Is it possible to return it and, if so, would you want to?

 

[smitcompton]

Hi,

Early in my gemstone buying career I came across a blue diamond stone of 1.50 cts. I called a GIA appraiser in my area to ask about the price of an irradiated blue diamond. I knew nothing about the difference between natural and irradiated. He explained the difference and told me that the prices on the irradiated fluxuated a lot. I took it to another jeweler and they became so excited to see a blue diamond the staff all gathered round.

Well, I purchased it, set it and like it very much. I have never seen any one else have one,. I believe the mineral boron must be present in the natural diamond to be able to obtain the color blue. Your blue is nicer than mine. I saw what you paid, from another source, and I don't believe you over paid. I too thought anything over 100.00 was alot to pay for jewelry. I believe your wife will enjoy this alot., No one will have one. Enjoy--Oh, Dubai is a pretty expensive pace for your first shopping trip.

Annette

 

[JJL]

All those who cared for my purchase,

Thank you all for showing such a kind concern for my purchase.
I actually paid $1200.oo for it, and I believe my wife will love it.
Just little gift to my wife and letting her know my appreciation of taking good care of herself and the kid while I am gone for quiet a long time.
I finally able to contact that vendor from Dubai for more info on the rock.
Vendor got bit irritated at the begining, but he applogies afterwards.
He even told me that he will send me certificate done by GIA for the same rock.
Vendor is so sure and positive that this diamond is natural occuring blue diamond, and he said GIA report he is just about to send me states that.
Not sure if I should believe him or not, but either way, I am satisfied with my purchase.
Wish me luck on that GIA report that he promised to send me.

Thanks.

V/R

CPT JJL

 

[motownmama]

My eyes bugged out of my head when I saw in your original post that you had a 1 ct blue diamond. That would cost a fortune. You like what you bought and the sentiment is so sweet - just enjoy it!

 

[kenny]

Ask him for the GIA report number.
With the exact carat weight and the GIA report number you can look up the report here:

http://www.gia.edu/reportcheck/

You can even click on the pdf link icon at the top to see a scan of it. (if you enter a real weight and report number)

GIA reports are delivered to the customer when a diamond is purchased.

I'm glad you are pleased with it, but at $1,200 if there is a GIA report it will indicate the color and/or the material is not of natural origin, or the report will not match the stone which most jewelers could determine and certainly an independent professional appraiser could.

http://www.gia.edu/lab-reports-services/diamonds/diamond-reports/index.html

If I'm wrong I'm on the next flight to Dubai to buy some million dollar diamonds from this very generous vendor.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Enjoy your purchase, I'm sure your wife will love it.

But please do not persist in the belief that the diamond is natural in color. Dig deep -- do you *really* believe the vendor would sell you a diamond worth over $1000000 for $1200? Why in the world would he do that??

Also, GIA must have the diamond in their hands to issue a report. If you have the diamond, then he cannot get a GIA report, unless he sent it to GIA before he sold you the diamond. In that case, why did he not give you the GIA report to begin with? If he sends you anything it will likely be an "appraisal" by a "GIA gemologist".

 

[kenny]

There is only one way to be certain, send it to GIA yourself.
They will deal with the public, you do not have to go through a jeweler, but the diamond must be loose, not set.

They are in New York and Carlsbad CA.
Call them up and ask for the lab.

They issue two reports, one more thorough than the other.
The cheaper report will determine if it is natural material and if the color is of natural origin.
At 1 carat the fee is $100 for the short report and $150 for the complete report.
They are slow, it will take weeks but for double the fee they can rush it.

If they determine the material or color are not natural they will still issue a report but I'm not sure about the fee, ask them.

http://www.gia.edu/lab-reports-services/fees_payment/lab_fees/LAB_feeschedule_Diamond_07012012_USD.pdf

 

[distracts]

Enjoy your purchase, I'm sure your wife will love it.

But please do not persist in the belief that the diamond is natural in color. Dig deep -- do you *really* believe the vendor would sell you a diamond worth over $1000000 for $1200? Why in the world would he do that??

I agree with this. Having an irradiated blue diamond is not a bad thing. They are very pretty - several members of this forum have them, some as e-rings, and I've considered buying one (it's the only way I'd be able to afford a blue diamond!). While colored gemstones are awesome, diamonds just have their own special brand of sparkle that I really like. I think for an irradiated blue of that size and quality, the price you paid was pribably fair, so I wouldn't worry about having gotten ripped off. Maybe you've been a little naive in the purchase (it's okay- every single one of us has been there and done that before!), and the vendor not completely truthful, but he didn't sell you an irradiated blue for far more than it's worth, which would be the big worry.

Do you have any plans for setting it or are you letting your wife choose? If it were my diamond, I would have it bezel-set as the center of a diamonds-by-the-yard style bracelet, with little 5 or 10 point (0.05 or 0.1 carat) diamonds. DBTY bracelets and necklaces go easily from casual to dressy - Kate Middleton wears her Tiffany DBTY bracelet almost all the time.

 

[JJL]

Hm...

I don't know.
As my wife always have been telling me, I do not have an eye for a pretty things.
Just a Soldier good at shooting.
I will probably have to let my wife choose her setting.
However, I like the bracelet idea.
Thanks for the advice.

V/R

CPT JJL

 

[VRBeauty]

Thank you for your service, JJL.

The color on your stone is beautiful in the photo and I'm sure it's even more spectacular in person. Your wife will love it!

 

[flocondeneige]

I agree, I thought the color was beautiful when I saw the picture!
I bet your wife will love it!
Thank you for serving and protecting our country!