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Discussion in 'RockyTalky' started by iNeedArock, Jul 23, 2019.

  1. sledge
    Ideal_Rock

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    by sledge » Aug 22, 2019
    This may work. Proportions are within ideal ranges. Problem I have is I've seen too many leaky ASET and IS images on 35/40.8 combos. I've seen great ones too, but it seems to be a weird angle combo that isn't very safe. With no advanced images I'd consider it but keep looking for a more risk free option.


    Web link now shows the stone as sold, and the cert is no longer available so I can't look at the proportions. Point blank, I am NOT a fan of SI2 stones that come from virtual inventory. An eye clean SI2 is a pretty rare unicorn, but they do exist. I'd need lots more data before I could get warm fuzzies to pull the trigger on this one.


    A few immediate things pop to mind.
    • Are you okay with a used jewelry, especially for an e-ring? Many people have astigmatism with purchasing used jewelry with such an occasion.
    • Is the price fair & reasonable for the specifics of the used piece? Could you buy a new one for the same, lesser or almost same money? Basically is there any financial incentive to do so.
    • If the price is too cheap, why?
    • Does it have certifications from either GIA or AGS?
    • The majority of SI2's are NOT eye clean so is this your assessment, or theirs? And under what specific conditions are they considering it eye clean? One standard definition is 10" away with 20/20 vision from the top and with good lighting. Those with better vision may prefer more strict criteria.
    • Definitely not feeling warm fuzzies over "very good" cut. Most GIA rated "excellent" stones aren't even excellent. We are looking for "ideal" as cut is what makes the world go round, well that, and fat bottomed girls -- at least according to Queen, eh? :whistle:
    The last two items in consideration, this is probably a hard no for me.

    Ugh, too much headache and risk. Nope. Nada. No way in hell. RUN!!!

    Too many good diamonds exist. Let us help find you one. I will take a peek and throw back some more viable options.
     
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  2. sledge
    Ideal_Rock

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    by sledge » Aug 22, 2019
    Found a couple worth considering.

    WF ACA 1.935 J VS2 @ $14,167 wire
    https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4123881.htm

    57.8 table, 61.4 depth, 34.9 crown, 40.8 pavilion & 76 LGF. Measures 7.98 x 7.99, and has a 1.4 HCA although the ASET, IS and H&A images override the HCA.

    After trash talking the 35/40.8 combo in my previous post, here is one that works. It has a larger table which helps you squeeze a little more size out of it for the weight. Also, this is a true H&A stone from an excellent company with hassle free upgrade/trade-in program (simply spend $1 more and get full value of the original stone, no other strings) and superb customer service.


    GIA XXX 2.05 J VS2 @ $13,194
    https://www.yadavjewelry.com/diamond/round-diamond-2.05-carat-j-vs2-yd7368790

    57 table, 61.2 depth, 35 crown, 40.6 pavilion & 75 LGF. Measures 8.13 x 8.18 and scores 0.9 HCA.

    Not a perfect ASET, but very good nonetheless. This stone looks to be a solid performer.

    Absolutely love those fat arrows! GIA rounds their LGF's to the nearest 5 degrees, so while a 75 is reported the actuals could range from 73-77. Given how fat they are, they are on the lower side, maybe 74ish. I like that as lower LGF's provide bigger bolder flashes of rainbow light.

    Also, the steeper 35 crown will help make good fire while paired with a very complimentary shallow 40.6 pavilion.

    It would be nice to see a video of this stone. And also to understand how both the surface graining and internal graining reported on the notes section of the cert affect clarity of the stone, if at all.


    GIA XXX 2.12 J SI1 @ $13,677
    https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/2....3.677&p=0&utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc

    57 table, 61.3 depth, 34.5 crown, 40.8 pavilion & 80 LGF. Measures 8.26 x 8.29 and scores 1.2 HCA.

    Biggest downside here is no actual images or videos. The proportions are quite lovely, and the HCA score reflects that. Also, it's the largest stone both dimensionally and in carat weight. On the downside, it's the lowest clarity.

    Also, I noticed the stone was originally graded back in 2012 which tells me it was likely a trade-in. If I purchased I would ask the vendor to have the stone re-certified (on their dime) to ensure there is no additional chips, damage, etc and that all is still the same as in 2012. You wouldn't think much would change, but there are cases of color or clarity changing when doing a re-cert (mainly because both are done by humans so there is some subjectivity, and if a stone is borderline then it may get graded slightly different a second time).

    I would ask for still images, video, ASET, IS and H&A images as well. You probably won't get them all but it will give you some additional data to go upon.
     
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  3. MK Malone
    Shiny_Rock

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    by MK Malone » Aug 22, 2019
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    Please heed the warnings you are getting here. Without a lab report, you literally do not know what you are getting. Lab grown, treated, enhanced, horrible inclusions. You just don’t know. And zero refund policy?
     
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  4. whitewave
    Ideal_Rock

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    by whitewave » Aug 22, 2019
    I found a diamond ring once. The diamonds were crushed in the inside. It looked pretty until you louped it. They think it was in the river and when river sand was used for landscaping, the crushed ring was deposited with the sand.
     
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  5. iNeedArock
    Rough_Rock

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    by iNeedArock » Aug 23, 2019
    Wow, thank you so much for taking time to look for these stones for me. Would a J color diamond look yellow in a white gold setting? Im not sure how much going a grade or two up in color might cost me. That Hearts and Arrow one is just beautiful!! I dont know how to search these these stones like you guys do, sorry!
     
  6. lovedogs
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    by lovedogs » Aug 23, 2019
    You can search on Whiteflash in their a cut above (ACA) line. They will all be outstanding. You can ask them for pics or video of a J vs I and see what you think.
     
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  7. sledge
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    by sledge » Aug 23, 2019
    No problem, glad you found them useful.

    On the color thing, only you can answer that as it depends on your sensitivity AND tolerance for color. Both my wife and I are fairly sensitive to color, but she is more so than me. Not a surprise there as most women are more color sensitive than men. However, while she can see tint/color more easily than me, she isn't as bothered by it as I am.

    I bought her an H and most the time I find it very white. In certain conditions I see a little tint. She easily sees the tint, but isn't bothered by it.

    The only way to gauge your own sensitive and tolerance is to go looking at diamonds. When comparing colors, try to find the same size, cut quality/angles, etc so you get as much of an apples-to-apples comparison as possible except the color grade. Then look at them under a variety of lighting (indoors, outdoors, office lighting, jewelry store lighting, etc). Find what speaks to you, and at what point all the diamonds look the same. If you have 4 stones in front of you that are J, H, F & D and can't tell them apart color wise, then why pay for anything whiter than a J when you can't see the difference?

    Generally speaking G & H seem to be a good compromise and while they do cost a little more you aren't getting too stiff of price premiums. Plenty of folks are buying I's and J's and perfectly happy with them. Again, it depends on you. Learning your sensitivity and tolerance is a must IMO so you can shop more wisely. After all, getting a killer deal on a J is fruitless if the color drives you nuts.

    Whatever you decide, we can help. Just keep in mind, if your budget is static then you have to sacrifice somewhere to make the budget work. That may mean dipping below 2 carats. Is that okay?
     
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  8. sledge
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    by sledge » Aug 23, 2019
    Leaving work, so did a quick search on WF. Will look at some GIA XXX later.

    WF ACA 1.81 I SI1 @ $13,338
    https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3969523.htm

    Notice it says "inquire" under the eye clean section. Looking at the video, it's quite a sparkle bomb but it may have some nastiness on the table that is getting that inquire status so it may not be eye clean.


    WF ACA 1.852 I SI @ $14,974
    https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4042807.htm

    Eye clean and gorgeous.


    WF ACA 1.826 I VS2 @ $15,032
    https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3925304.htm

    Like the bump in clarity for not much money. Slight reduction in weight and dimensions, but only about 0.10mm (about 1/512th of an inch) which isn't of any significant value. In a side by side comparisons, most humans can start to see a very minor size variance at 0.20mm (1/256th inch) but nothing memorable or noticeable if not side by side.


    WF ACA 1.757 H SI1 @ $16,392
    https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4049783.htm


    WF ACA 1.753 H SI1 @ $16,490
    https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4091542.htm
     
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