Low colored asscher with flor

[diamondseeker2006]

It is drop dead gorgeous! I'd want all the specs. You need to see the dimensions. The thing you'd need to decide is if you want an incredibly perfect stone or a larger generic one in G-H color.

What is your ring size and I'll show you the size it will be on your finger?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Thanks ILikeShiny! Very helpful. I fear the blue effect of the flor in the D will make it less white but it sounds like that’s not the case for you! Forgive me if I sound ignorant - I really am a visual person and I haven’t seen this combo in person.

P.s I love that you take the extra time to appreciate it when you’re watching your hands at the salon!

No, that is not correct. Fluorescence will not make a D stone less white.

I trust Yoram 500%. That is not an issue. The main issue is being 100% certain the stone is what you want.

 

[HoneyBadger2]

It is drop dead gorgeous! I'd want all the specs. You need to see the dimensions. The thing you'd need to decide is if you want an incredibly perfect stone or a larger generic one in G-H color.

What is your ring size and I'll show you the size it will be on your finger?

Yes I actually just started a thread asking that question - do I need/want perfect or larger generic?

I guess because my fingers are large (7.5 ring size) and the cut I want (asscher) is not flashy, I think big. Now that being said my style is def “understated”, for example, and forgive me if it’s TMI on here, I love jeans and a t shirt but the jeans are going to be premium and my underwear will be even more premium. Lol. Basically what I’m saying is it comes down to what I think about what I’m wearing and not what others see. I hope that helps.

As for the dimensions of the asscher above, Ill post a link.

 

[HoneyBadger2]

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=1172786958

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I found the dimensions on his site. Will post you the pic in a minute. I totally hear you on style. I am the same. I dress casually 95% of the time. I need my jewelry to be simple and classic.

 

[BlingDreams]

Thanks ILikeShiny! Very helpful. I fear the blue effect of the flor in the D will make it less white but it sounds like that’s not the case for you! Forgive me if I sound ignorant - I really am a visual person and I haven’t seen this combo in person.

P.s I love that you take the extra time to appreciate it when you’re watching your hands at the salon!

I’m a visual person too and had the same concerns. All stones are different of course, but if it helps here are photos of my fluorescence and then the diamond in indoor lighting.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

For the purpose of helping you assess size, I have used a 2 ct round at 8.1mm as a comparison stone. It's about the same face up size. And if you look at other asschers, we can compare them, too.

 

[HoneyBadger2]

I’m a visual person too and had the same concerns. All stones are different of course, but if it helps here are photos of my fluorescence and then the diamond in indoor lighting.

Wow! Lol. Your stone! Omg. Yea that’s pretty much perfect!!! It looks really big. Is that the setting or do you have tiny hands?!

 

[HoneyBadger2]

For the purpose of helping you assess size, I have used a 2 ct round at 8.1mm as a comparison stone. It's about the same face up size. And if you look at other asschers, we can compare them, too.

Thanks DS, very helpful. I know I tried on a 3ct (the 3 stone asscher in the picture earlier in this thread) and thought the size was perfect. That was a G VS and about 7.9mm

I would probably be ok with a bit smaller if the stone was awesome. I guess wjat I question, is do I really love “white” or would a warm white be good too? I think with the steps the white is the way to go but I just haven’t seen enough in person to know.

 

[BlingDreams]

Wow! Lol. Your stone! Omg. Yea that’s pretty much perfect!!! It looks really big. Is that the setting or do you have tiny hands?!

Short fingers but wide knuckles; I wear a 6.5 ring but the base of my finger is closer to a 5.25. If your finger is a uniform 7.5 I’d be happy to take a photo with it by my knuckle so you can see better what it’ll look like (my stone is 8mm).

And yes, halos are wonderful for adding finger presence!! Like you, I wanted subtle sparkle but wanted some substance too.

 

[SimoneDi]

I saw that diamond on Yoram’s IG a few days ago and I was hoping that you had requested the video, OP! The stone is beyond beautiful as far as asschers go, really incredible. I love everything about it including the strong flouro, I think that it will be a very unusual and beautiful diamond in person as well!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Of course, how you set it will make a big difference. ILikeShiny's gorgeous halo compliments her stone and adds size.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Well, I have a K color antique asscher and I can tell you I never recommend K color for any modern stones. But it works in an antique asscher. I think G-H is great for step cuts and any modern cuts, and I color is usually my limit on non-antique stones. You absolutely do not need D-F unless you are extremely color sensitive. But fluoro can discount a D-F stone, and that's a nice bonus!

Here's my thread. I think there are pictures on pages 1, 2, and 7 and I am not sure about the other pages.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/antique-asscher-ring-by-cvb-inspired-design.227710/

AVR on top is 2.3 cts and I color, antique asscher 2.7 cts and K color (natural light from window). For size reference, the asscher is 8.4 x 7.75 mm on a size 5.5.

 

[OoohShiny]

I think a key question you need to consider is whether you are ever likely to want to change or upgrade the stone you buy, @HoneyBadger2 - if you are, you need to be fully aware that the market has, since the 1980s (IIRC), been biased against fluorescence, so you would take a hit on the re-sale value of any stone with fluor.

As above, they will be priced lower when first bought, but that lower value than non-fluor stones carries through to future sales too!

A D-colour with (blue) Fluor is also an unusual combination these days, in that fluor is sought after in lower-colour stones because it lifts the colour a couple of grades in some lights, but not everyone would like their colourless stone to have fluor, so the market for a resale is also smaller in that regard.


All of that said, of course, it is a beautiful stone and is cut by a master, so the beauty and the heritage of it (i.e. cut by Yoram) will help it hold future value and offset any potential reduction in value due to negative perceptions of fluor. TBH, if I had the money, I would already have bought it myself!!


All of the above may be completely moot if you are planning to keep and wear it forever We just want to make sure that you are buying from a fully-informed position, so that your eyes are completely open to all aspects of such a large and important purchase!

I think that if you haven't already, it would be good to look at some stones locally with varying levels of fluor (of whatever cut is available), just to make sure that you have experienced it and like it. @Dancing Fire has helpfully posted some photos in various threads that might be of use as well!

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/2-30ct-octavia-on-a-gelin-abaci-tension-setting.210548/
https://www.pricescope.com/communit...trong-flor-a-good-choice.237166/#post-4276664
https://www.pricescope.com/communit...uorescence-diamond.237036/page-2#post-4276310

 

[HoneyBadger2]

Thanks everyone! And thanks DS for the pix - this is helpful and both are gorgeous. Of course I’m partial to the step cuts and that ring is perfect!

Yes the upgrade thing is something to consider. It’s not in my head but might be good to keep my options open. I guess given this is both of our second time around and we already have some money to get what we want I don’t see needing/wanting to upgrade.

But that being said I really do want to find “the stone”. To me it needs to speak to me and be something special.

As far as a setting I probably won’t do a halo, Ive seen beautiful rings done this way but I want to go a little more classic. My favourite setting is the classic Harry Winston and this is likely what we’ll do.

I’ll keep you posted on what we find!

 

[MarionC]

I bought my asscher from Yoram a few weeks before the D showed up in his boutique.
I would buy the D without hesitation having seen the outstanding performance of his precision cuts in person.

 

[HoneyBadger2]

I bought my asscher from Yoram a few weeks before the D showed up in his boutique.
I would buy the D without hesitation having seen the outstanding performance of his precision cuts in person.

Seriously, Mildred is beyond. I can’t even imagine in person how she sparkles. Yes I’m really drawn to his work but we’d have to expand the budget a bit. I appreciate the endorsement for the asscher we’re considering. Had you seen many other sites in person before deciding on this? Also can you remind me the specs?

 

[MarionC]

Seriously, Mildred is beyond. I can’t even imagine in person how she sparkles. Yes I’m really drawn to his work but we’d have to expand the budget a bit. I appreciate the endorsement for the asscher we’re considering. Had you seen many other sites in person before deciding on this? Also can you remind me the specs?

I looked at asschers for about three years. I’ve had several really nice ones from James Allen, so I’ve experienced researching, making a choice, then finding out in person if my assessment of asschers was good. Over time I developed a feel for what kind of cut of asscher was most pleasing to my eye.
I really wanted an asscher of a certain shape and size (7mm) with a culet & fluorescence.
Yoram, with his outstanding reputation for beautifully cut stones, happen to have exactly what I wanted, so I trusted that it would be the ultimate cut for me.
Not to be an enabler or anything, but I actually ended up doubling my budget to get Mildred;
I finally realized that I was not going to get what I really wanted unless I was willing to go for the kind of budget it would take. I had been buying « lesser » stones, hoping to be happy, then always wanted to upgrade. So now, the long search is done and I am satisfied my choice. But that’s just me. Purchasing and upgrading over time can be fun too!

 

[HoneyBadger2]

Thanks Jmmianne. I have a feeling seeing that asscher of GemConcepts has ruined me for all others but I like you feel like taking our time (we’ve been at it for a few years too) is the way to go.

FYI I have been back a few time to see the pix of Mildred you’ve posted and I’m just so enamoured. It’s so hard in pix to really get a sense of the cut but Mildred really shows so well. I was able to find her specs but what size is your hand?

Thanks

 

[OoohShiny]

I looked at asschers for about three years. I’ve had several really nice ones from James Allen, so I’ve experienced researching, making a choice, then finding out in person if my assessment of asschers was good. Over time I developed a feel for what kind of cut of asscher was most pleasing to my eye.
I really wanted an asscher of a certain shape and size (7mm) with a culet & fluorescence.
Yoram, with his outstanding reputation for beautifully cut stones, happen to have exactly what I wanted, so I trusted that it would be the ultimate cut for me.
Not to be an enabler or anything, but I actually ended up doubling my budget to get Mildred;
I finally realized that I was not going to get what I really wanted unless I was willing to go for the kind of budget it would take. I had been buying « lesser » stones, hoping to be happy, then always wanted to upgrade. So now, the long search is done and I am satisfied my choice. But that’s just me. Purchasing and upgrading over time can be fun too!

I think there is a strong argument for just going straight for the 'end game' rather than working one's way up a ladder - it does save time and also money, especially when one has to take a hit selling on the intermediate steps, be it in terms of diamonds or any other commodity!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I would think most people buy engagement rings with the hope that it's a forever ring. Most people I know have never thought of changing their original rings. PS is just filled with diamond lovers who enjoy buying new stones!

HB, here's kind of a uniquely cut 3 ct. asscher with a lovely high crown and small table that is 7.8mm. It is a stone I would take a look at if I were in the market for an asscher that size.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/3.02-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-sku-271895

There's one more that I will link but naturally their site isn't working right at the moment. It would be ideal if you could see both of these stones just to learn your preferences. Someone like ID Jewelry probably could get both of them in to look at if you could go there, otherwise you'd just have to order from JA to look at. But usually ID Jewelry will beat JA prices.

 

[JmeeMrie]

The link didn't work, but I hunted it down!
I like that one.. very neat stone..

 

[HoneyBadger2]

Point noted!!

 

[HoneyBadger2]

That was in response to going straight for the end game! I see other notes here now too that I’ll read.

 

[HoneyBadger2]

Thanks DS for the JA suggestion. What is ID Jewelry?

 

[HoneyBadger2]

Ok yes I see the 3.02 on JA. Yes I love the higher crown. This is something I’ve always been drawn to. Is this a characteristic of antique cuts? Does it make the stone sparkle differently? I like it for the chunky profile but I realize you lose on the spread.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Thanks DS for the JA suggestion. What is ID Jewelry?

It is a jeweler in NYC that many PSers use. He can call in or pick up some of the stones listed on sites that list virtual stones and he usually will offer a lower price. It's just a way to see stones without having to buy and return. ILikeShiny bought hers from him.

I will link the other stone as soon as I can get it to work.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Ok yes I see the 3.02 on JA. Yes I love the higher crown. This is something I’ve always been drawn to. Is this a characteristic of antique cuts? Does it make the stone sparkle differently? I like it for the chunky profile but I realize you lose on the spread.

Yes! It is a characteristic of old cuts! That's why I love this one. I'd far rather have a beautifully cut stone overall that one with a huge table, flat crown, and better spread in any shape diamond.

 

[Blingalingaling]

Hi, I've been avidly following your story! I truly hope that you find what you're looking for! I just wanted to chime in and say that ID Jewelry is a great place to look for an Asscher! Shulamit and Yekutiel have an eye for beautiful Asschers and will search for one that will meet all of your criteria and, I believe, they will be able to do it within your price range as well! I have recently been looking at Asschers and "square-ish" emeralds. They showed me some absolutely gorgeous options, not limited to any one particular color diamond. I don't think you will be sorry if you reach out to them. They are a wonderful source and they have a great regard for Pricescope and it's members!
Good luck! I'm looking forward to seeing what you decide upon!

 

[BlingDreams]

@HoneyBadger2 - As DS mentioned, I bought my asscher from IDJewelry (aka IDJ). My fiance and I flew in to NY just to look for our diamond and IDJ didn't disappoint. We had given them our desired specs ahead of time, as well as a few specific diamonds that had caught my eye online, and they had numerous options for us to see when we arrived. They also called in a couple of stones for us while we were there. The process was stress free, unhurried, and in the end we got exactly what we wanted at a great price.

All in all it was a great experience and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend contacting them!