Latest Tiffany Inspired Platinum Setting

[Jays0n]

I've done a lot of searching (mainly finding old threads) and am looking for a tiffany style setting (from one of the big players) such as James Allen, WF etc?? that I can order both loose diamond + setting combined and need it internationally delivered before christmas!

Rough specs:

- Diamond around 1.6ct I SI1 round
- Tiffany style setting - likes the original Tiffany setting so something similar.
- 6 prong
- Platinum only


Bonus points as close match as possible, but also if below items taken into account and something better is out there to consider I'd love to hear it!

- Has young kids, and works in medical field (will not be wearing during shifts) thinking something 'lower profile' might be ideal??
- Finger size is 3.5 so very petite!

Originally I didn't like knife edge because it seems quite highly set/sharp, but also because she has quite thin fingers I don't think a 'comfort fit' would be better? I don't want her uncomfortable eg I have read sometimes a knife edge can hurt?

I am from Australia, and looking to order both diamond and setting from the one place, I don't have time on my side either (have left it a bit late...).

Not sure whether to go with something like a Whiteflash or get the Vatche U113?
https://www.whiteflash.com/engageme...fany-style-solitaire-engagement-ring-1415.htm

https://www.whiteflash.com/engageme...tiffany-style-solitaire-engagement-ring-4.htm

https://www.whiteflash.com/engageme...-solitaire-engagement-ring-by-vatche-1778.htm

I read a lot about a Superbcert setting - which seems to now be Excel Diamonds...not sure if they do international/ideal choice for rock + setting too (I don't know much about this company):
http://www.exceldiamonds.com/-Engag...nt-Rings-11/Tiffany-Engagement-Rings-640.html

 

[Snowdrop13]

There are lots of people with the Vatche setting who love it, it's certainly the prettiest of the three you posted, personally, I like the "contemporary" one as well. What's your budget? Have you seen any diamonds you like?

 

[HappyNewLife]

I'm getting a ring from Whiteflash tomorrow that is essentially the Tiffany 6-prong style, but with delicate claws. They have a knife-edge solitaire that you can modify to your wants, like being set low. And it's cheaper than the Vatche U113 by a few hundred dollars. You can have the edge softened to be very comfortable, or of course they have other settings too that are similar.

I tend to plug WF these days because I received such stellar customer service and their quality of diamonds, but JA, Brian Gavin, HPD and a few other PS vendors are also quite liked here.

 

[HappyNewLife]

What's your budget? I'm seeing 1.6-1.7 carat, down to I/SI1 diamonds going for about $13-$14.5k

 

[Jays0n]

Thanks for the replies

How long did yours take to be made by WF?

I'm still trying to work out the comparison between vatche and the real Tiffany.

My budget is about US11.5k, possibly slightly less as I have to pay 10% import duty to get it in to Australia.

 

[Bron357]

Hi, I think after you take off the import tax, shipping and insurance, you’ll have about $10,000 US. Take off another $1,500 for the setting, leaves about $8,500 US. I dont know how easy it will be to find a 1.6 I colour eye clean SI2 with good performance for those $$$$? I think in another post you wanted here in Australia within the next 4 weeks? Might be a bit tricky.

 

[Mondayschild]

Im not able to find a well cut stone that fits your parameters within your price range (tried)

 

[MissGotRocks]

Over budget but a super ideal cut stone from a vendor that can certainly give you the setting you are looking for: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3885306.htm?source=pricescope

Ifhttps://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3667820.htm?source=pricescope you budget is firm, you might need to go down in size a bit for the diamond. This one brings it down a bit:

 

[rockhoundofficiando]

Nothing says Tiffany like genuine Tiffany. I don't know this seller but this meets most of your requirements (with your budget you'll have to go smaller than you'd like) and is even the correct ring size...
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/302488969333
Eta, here's one in Australia:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Authent...631605?hash=item2a943caff5:g:EgIAAOSw2DFZud3b

Of course, buyer beware.

 

[tyty333]

I dont think you are going to get to 1.6 in your budget. I looked yesterday too...so you need to either up your budget or lower your specs.
(ditto MissGotRocks).

With Bron's calculations you're at $8500 for the stone which is more like a 1.3-1.4 I/J
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3858598.htm

I'm for either the U113 or the Contemporary Solitaire Engagement Ring
but I dont like the Classic 6 Prong Solitaire. Too generic looking.

 

[tyty333]

Nothing says Tiffany like genuine Tiffany. I don't know this seller but this meets all your requirements and is even the correct ring size...
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/302488969333

Except the 1.6

 

[rockhoundofficiando]

Except the 1.6

You're right! I realized and edited! I do believe the poster will have to adjust his size expectation based on his budget...

 

[rockysalamander]

I agree with PP, with US$8500 for the diamond, you'll have to adjust size or color.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...h-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3533783
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...i-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3595285

Lowering color to J
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...j-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3577483
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...olor-vvs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3437185**

Up diamond budget to $9500 usd and color at J
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...j-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-1987661
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3166953**

If it were me, I would likely buy the best diamond I could afford from WF or HPD. They have a much more generous upgrade policy (100% of value toward upgrade as long as you spend $1 more on the upgrade) and get her the larger diamond for a anniversary. These will have performance and fire. I would not personally compromise performance for a slightly larger stone.
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3858598.htm (1.4 J SI1)
https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD8342

 

[HappyNewLife]

Thanks for the replies

How long did yours take to be made by WF?

I'm still trying to work out the comparison between vatche and the real Tiffany.

My budget is about US11.5k, possibly slightly less as I have to pay 10% import duty to get it in to Australia.

My ring came today and it is TO DIE FOR. I'm still in shock over here and am not ready to post pics just yet (later today). The custom setting they made me is knife-edge and I can't feel a thing. It is SO comfortable.

It took 2 weeks to complete, so add on a week of going back and forth over email/shipping and you can have it in 3 weeks. But get on it, because they get busy leading up to the holidays.

 

[rockysalamander]

From PS thread (@CalRon). The Tiffany ring is on the left and the Vatche is on the right.
It looks like the band on the Vatche is a little thinner than the Tiffany.

From @Wink Vatche U-113 started at 2.8 mm at the top and gradually tapered to 2 mm at the bottom. This was for a 1.77 ct diamond.

Posted by @diamondseeker2006

 

[HappyNewLife]

here is my WF knife-edge solitaire customized to be thinner and to have a softer knife edge (and claw prongs). It's very comfortable

 

[Jays0n]

Thanks for all the replies ! If we remove import tax issue out of the budget and I stick with 11.5k US, minus the setting should leave roughly US10k for the stone? This should give more $ to play with. The budget isn't 100% set in stone, I do have room to play if I need to.

I definitely want the stone to be over 1.5ct, I don't want to go beyond an I or SI1 eye clean either.

Does the vatche seem higher set compared to the others? I'm not sure I 100% like the vatche prongs they seem to obscure the side view a bit- maybe it's just me as I know it's extremely popular, I want to go with a safe bet and maybe it's the best avail?

 

[HappyNewLife]

Thanks for all the replies ! If we remove import tax issue out of the budget and I stick with 11.5k US, minus the setting should leave roughly US10k for the stone? This should give more $ to play with. The budget isn't 100% set in stone, I do have room to play if I need to.

I definitely want the stone to be over 1.5ct, I don't want to go beyond an I or SI1 eye clean either.

Does the vatche seem higher set compared to the others? I'm not sure I 100% like the vatche prongs they seem to obscure the side view a bit- maybe it's just me as I know it's extremely popular, I want to go with a safe bet and maybe it's the best avail?

You can ask Vatche to customize the diamond height to be "low", but it could take longer. As it is, I believe it takes Vatche 3 weeks to set a diamond. That's one of the reasons I went with the custom setting from WF - I didn't want to wait an additional 1-2 weeks on top of the 2 week wait. LOL.

 

[Jays0n]

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3667820.htm SI1 I H&A 1.578ct.

I found this stone on WF (in house), it's slightly above budget but for what I'm wanting it seems like that's bound to happen. Just wondering anyone opinion on this?

Should I be looking at their virtual diamonds too or just in house?

Does anyone have any examples of the vatche with a custom change to set it lower than usual? I can't seem to find any in the search.

 

[rockysalamander]

At WF, I stick with their in-house diamonds. JamesALlen and BLueNile have more video and such on the virtual selections.

The central inclusion on the one you selected would be bothersome to me, but many would be fine with it.

I like this one a bit better from an inclusion perspective. https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3823435.htm {1.548, drop to J, but better inclusions}

If you want to stick with I, ask them to compare the one you choose with this one relative to eye-clean and visibility of the inclusion.
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3202009.htm

 

[motownmama]

I like the looks of that J! Wrap it up with a bow!!!!!!!

 

[ratatat]

How do you feel about blue fluorescence? Super ideal cut, eye clean. Fluorescence will make the J appear whiter
https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/...1.520-j-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104095888002
With this setting
https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/...taire/classic-style-half-round-platinum-5478p

 

[Alexiszoe]

Has she seen an I color diamond and is she OK with it? I ask this because everyone's tolerance level for color is different. From the side you will see the slight tint of an I color - some people don't mind, others do.

Fluorescence can make a stone appear whiter under daylight - indoors it makes no difference (unless it's under UV light!).

Also, have you thought of approaching ID Jewelry to help you find a stone? They have quite the rep for finding beautiful stones on budget. Since they are in the diamond district in NY it's easy and fast for them to call in stones and assess them for you. If I remember correctly they also carry the Vatche brand amongst others.

 

[Jays0n]

Has she seen an I color diamond and is she OK with it?

She hasn't seen any diamonds so I don't know for certain her tastes but am taking an educated guess as I know she is quite focused on the size (and I feel she has expectation of it being >1.5ct)...so with that comes a trade off that it's going to need to be H-I color and VS2 or SI1 given $.

I have read getting something up to Medium flourescence is sometimes ideal for an I colour to try and get daylight to hit it and make it look whiter??

I don't want to go any further down than an I color (so want to rule out J and beyond).

I am struggling a bit with inclusions and interpreting reports that detail what the inclusions are. For an SI1 is there any types of inclusions/locations I should be avoiding?

I am still also facing the dilemma that the Vatche appears the most common replica to the Tiffany...and popular among most, but I find the side-view of the diamond seems quite obstructed/don't like the prongs compared to the real tiffany? Is top-down view really the only thing to be focusing on and not worry about the side view? Or should I be exploring other settings?

I often read about people setting the stone normal, or higher than normal so it is 'shown off' more...should I be trying to customise it to be "slightly lower than normal" (but not too low??) if I want to reduce its 'obtrusiveness' from catching things/being in the way [thinking kids and medical job], or just stick to what the normal standard is?? (I don't know if my technical ability is confident enough to be customising the design of a setting like this and whether it will end up a disaster!).

Still hunting to find the right loose diamond meeting the specs. Getting a bit worried given I pretty much have 7 weeks until I need it, but xmas/public holidays in the way and I need it internationally shipped.

 

[Mondayschild]

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...color-vs1-clarity-true-hearts-cut-sku-3466201

?

 

[Mondayschild]

www.jamesallen.com/mobile/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.56-carat-i-color-vs1-clarity-true-hearts-cut-sku-3395617

 

[rockysalamander]

With 7 weeks, the big thing will be to be decisive, which I know is hard with such a large purchase.

Inclusions - If a cloud is the setting inclusions (first on the list) that may impact performance by causing a 'snow globe' effect inside the diamond. Feathers near the girdle can be a concerns during setting (but not always). Twinning whisps are generally a non-issue. I personally avoid black or dense inclusions in the table.

Brief. 1.6+, $11500 usd (diamond only), I, eyeclean. No opinion on flour.

Any of these you like, put on hold and request an IS image right away.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...i-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-2694013 (7.76 mm, biggest I can find in your range. Very clean at VS1}
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...rat-i-color-vs2-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-2171544 {AGS0 meaning great cut. I like the numbers.Some leakage under the table, but would request an IS}

Super-Ideals
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3855518.htm

 

[Jays0n]

I feel like I am going through analysis paralysis at the moment, but really need to get a decision made as time is ticking

So far these are my options:
A) US$10,770 James Allen 1.73 VS1 I (it has strong blue flouresence - is there a risk the stone appear more tinted than white, in some situations)? I attached the IS image - not quite sure how to interpret these but from my basic knowledge looks good?? @rockysalamander thanks for all your guidance so far! I put this JA stone on hold - it seems VERY nice.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...i-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-2694013

+ great big size, VS1
- strong florescence (??)
- can't get Vatche U113 setting, needs to be JA in-house. I'm not 100% sure this setting is what I'm looking for ideally.
JA have advised that I "SHOULD" be able to get this set in their JA setting and delivered by Xmas but can't guarantee it. Also I asked some further questions about the stone and they said that they can't look at it or get anything more than what they've given me...I basically need to order it and cross my fingers - if I wanted one of their gemologist to view it after they call it in, it would delay it 2-3 weeks.

I read this article about florescence (LINK) which scares me a little as for I color with strong fluro could it have been over graded in the lab and actually appears to have a tint? The JA rep assured me it would definitely be white from the top view but could not specifically comment on this diamond. HOWEVER with all that said, it does get the benefit that it makes the pricing affordable which means I can get an extra .1ct+.


It is a shame JA don't have in-house diamonds and the upgrade policy isn't as appealing as WF


B) US$11,119 Whiteflash 1.578ct SI1 I
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3667820.htm

+ high-I color according to analysis. No florescence
+ can get the Vatche U113 setting through WF
- inclusion is right in the middle, is a cloud? However they advised completely eye clean. Should I be asking any further questions about it?
"It is a beautiful, solid-high I color, and was completely eye clean to me. I was not able to see an inclusion without magnification, and I evaluated the diamond in various lighting and angles of view.
The main inclusions are dark in color, centrally located, and seem to blend in well with the contrast of the diamond.

While we have similar diamonds, I do not see a diamond I would recommend over this one."


Right now I probably favour the WF one given WF have a better upgrade policy and able to do it in the Vatche.

Is it worth trawling through other vendors (GOG/Excel Diamonds/IDJ etc??) to see if I can find better? Or should I lock in one out of these two...

 

[ac117]

Since you're considering the upgrade policy, I'd definitely say go with the WF stone - they would also give you 50% back on designer settings and I believe the Vatche is included in that so it's really a no brainer. The stone is gorgeous! It's a super ideal and will definitely be eye clean!

If it weren't for the upgrade policy, I'd totally go for that beautiful, bigger and better clarity JA stone!

 

[Jays0n]

Thanks for the reply ac117

To be honest, I can most likely live without the upgrade policy - I am stretching myself initially now so I suspect that there won't be any upgrades happening for the next 10 years (lol!) so it probably isn't all that important. In the event of needing to upgrade if I bought from JA it would just either need to be 2x or would keep the original one and buy a new one...

It is interesting the JA stone is 0.15 ct larger yet actually cheaper than WF. I do place a degree of comfort in knowing that WF already has their diamond though and vetted it, whereas the JA stone is currently just a 'virtual' diamond...

Another thing is I don't know if 1.73ct is going to look too big on my gf's finger (which is petite 3.75 size)...she always says you can never go too big with a rock but I don't want her getting mugged because it stands out as a large stone. Ah decisions....