Lancet retracts study linking autism to vaccines

[RockHugger]

The choosing not to vaccinate board on justmommies.com is a great place to find information about vaccines. There are HUNDREDS of pages of sites, and study information. If you cannot find what you are looking for, just ask and you will get 20 people who will send you links! Its easier to direct you to the site where the information is so you can research at your own pace. There is just SOOOOO much information.

Date: 2/4/2010 4:46:00 PM
Author: swimmer

Date: 2/4/2010 4:38:07 PM
Author: RockHugger

Date: 2/4/2010 4:36:35 PM

Author: elrohwen

{{ runs to get santa hat to bang head, TGal-style }}

You know..thats the same feeling I get when I hear people talking about getting their childs shots at the doctors.

RH, I am expecting a baby in a few months so am looking around for research that shows anything about risk of vaccinations. I keep reading posts saying 'do your homework' but can't find any actual research that shows negatives about vaccinations, just anecdotes. If you could please find anything that isn't just bloggers talking about their own kids, I would be very appreciative.

I know you are busy, it sounds like your kids get sick with very serious stuff regularly, so understand that you have limited time. Thank you!

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 2/4/2010 4:55:01 PM
Author: RockHugger

Date: 2/4/2010 4:46:37 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 2/4/2010 4:38:07 PM
Author: RockHugger

Date: 2/4/2010 4:36:35 PM
Author: elrohwen
{{ runs to get santa hat to bang head, TGal-style }}

You know..thats the same feeling I get when I hear people talking about getting their childs shots at the doctors.

RH, you''re entitled to your opinion, and I''m sure there are a few PSers who share your suspicion of vaccines. Obviously no one is going to change your mind. And you''re not concerned about the diseases, that''s fair enough. That''s how you feel, and it''s a fact for you, I get that.

However, if you are going to come here and state, as adamantly as you are, your case for what causes autism and what can help this, that or the other thing, it is not rude of people to ask for links and studies. If you''re so passionate about this and are frustrated when people go and vac their kids, why wouldn''t you give us the back up? Yes, you said you are ''very busy with 2 kids and can''t be sitting here looking up studies'' for us, but you seem to have time to collect gems, shoot pictures, chat on PS, etc...why not find the link the studies yourself that you''ve already researched them, especially if it would really help someone to see things your way and potentially keep autism at bay?

I gave you a place to find the studies and information above. Apparently noone read it.

go to www.justmommies.com. Then go to choosing not to vaccinate and look through it. Everything is archived there.

And where would the link "choosing not to vaccinate" be on this very scientific site that puked a banner at me to join Pampers Village?

 

[ChinaCat]

I am curious- for those that are against vaccinating their children, do you advocate that NO ONE vaccinate their children? For argument''s sake, let''s keep it in the US, so take the developed vs. non-developing country out of it.

I am wondering what that would look like.

This is a really hard topic for all new parents. When I became pregnant I really started looking into this issue. I started out pretty on the fence, but very scared of potential reactions to vaccinations and leaning at least towards staggering them, if not outright waiting until after 18 months for fear of autism. I was surprised that the more research I did, the more my stance started to change and the more pro-vaccination I became.

One of my BFF''s has not vaccinated her baby yet (he''s 9 months) due to some pretty strong beliefs in her husband''s family. I consider her to be one of the most thoughtful and intelligent women I know and she is a fierce mom. We share information and studies with each other, each respecting the other''s side but each trying to present both sides. She has not been able to find any strong evidence that vaccinations cause austism. She still is waiting, b/c a child in her husband''s family has it, and they wholly believe it was the shots that did it. In her case, the possibility and their personal experience outweighs the research.

I WANTED to find a link so that I could feel SAFE and not vaccinate and hopefully prevent any autism in my son. I couldn''t find one. I understand that this can be a devastating diagnosis for some (but not all) and I too would want something concrete to blame it on so that I could prevent it in any other children. So I understand the rush to point to vaccines rather than genetic or environmental factors, because as parents we can control the vaccines but we can''t control the other stuff.

My wholly unscientific opinion is that it is more likely that a child with autism has it before any vaccines but that the signs do not show up until certain developmental stages occur in children and these stages tend to coincide with the vaccine schedules. Think about it- 2 months, 4 months, 6 months, 1 year, 18 months. My son is 6 months old and he seems to hit huge developmental milestones around the same time as his shots are due.

I also wonder if you argue that vaccines CAUSE autism, why isn''t there MORE autism?

So after much much thought and research and discussion with my pediatrician, my son is vaccinated.

My heart hurts for those that do see the light go out of their child''s eyes, so to speak. Having a 6 month old son, it would literally break my heart. But I still don''t think I would blame the vaccines.

 

[LabRatPhD]

Date: 2/4/2010 4:37:49 PM
Author: Hudson_Hawk

Date: 2/4/2010 8:41:12 AM

Author: RockHugger

Its not a conspiracy theory. It is proven fact! Anyone who does a few hrs of research on the subject will see the money trails. All these medical books doctors are given in college. Look up who makes them and who the credit is given to. MOST of them are MERK or Pfitzer. The ''conspiracy theory'' excuse people use, is just an excuse to not believe what is being said, because you dont want to believe it..so you discredit me saying its a ''conspiracy theory''.



And all the parents (or not yet to be parents) who do not have a child with autism...would you seriously not make a link if your child developed symptoms within days or 2 weeks after getting a vaccine? I know I was the same as you HH, till it happened to us. The whole 1 in 100 or 1% makes it sound like its not a huge deal. Intill it happens to your child, and those numbers mean absolutely nothing.



And HH, please answer my question. Would you feed your new born baby formula containing mercury formeldayde or aluminum? I am not picking on you...I ask that to everyone here who is pro vaccine.

RH, the NIH requires that all studies who have received funding from pharma companies state the connection in the publication. That''s part of the ethical standard that is set for scientific/peer-reviewed publications. The funding for research into medical conditions and treatments has to come from somewhere. While the pharmas have vested interest, their agenda should not have any bearing on the outcome of these studies, that violates every ethical standard that exists. As for the books you''re alluding to. The pharma companies do not produce medical textbooks. Publishers do, publishers I''ve worked for for the past eight years, in fact. There is NO connection between publishers, pharma companies, and medical students or curriculum. If you made that statement in front of an editor or author, they''d laugh in your face because this is just a false statement.


To use your own reasoning. The conspiracy theory is an excuse to explain the reason why this happened to your child, because you don''t want to believe that your child was in the minority who are diagnosed with a debilitating condition, so you''re crediting anything that could even remotely be connected, even when proven otherwise, the as the reason for your child''s condition.


And I plan to breast feed, not formula feed, so your question is mute. Besides, formula is regulated by the FDA as a food product and does not contain the aforementioned compounds so the question is moot.

The bolded is very true. Scientific research is very expensive and quite frankly, pharma companies are much more better equipped financially than universities or government institutions to have a faster output of data. This is why many university professors serve as consultants for pharma companies.
Not really sure why Youtube clips seem more believable than studies from top research universities in the world, but I suppose individuals can choose to believe what they want...

 

[CNOS128]

Date: 2/4/2010 4:56:45 PM
Author: elrohwen

Date: 2/4/2010 4:48:29 PM

Author: Hudson_Hawk

My best friend's brother in law is autistic. Know what? They've vaccinated their children. Know why? Because they don't feel there's a legitimate connection between the two and they feel the benefits outweigh the risks. These two people are very on top of their health and that of their family. Their children get organic everything. However, they will never sway in their beliefs that it's in the best interest of their children to be vaccinated.

Both of my parents are child psychologists and my dad is an autism specialist - they chose to have me vaccinated and would recommend without reservation that I have my future children vaccinated. I trust experts in the field, especially those with their future grandchildren's health at stake.

My mom is a child psychologist who studies autism (as well as learning disabilities). AND she had a bad reaction to a vaccine as a child. All three of her children have been vaccinated. She can also spot 'autistic features' in quite young children (with great accuracy).
(Edited to finish the thought) Like someone mentioned above, experts can recognize early signs of autism in children around 1 year old, before even their parents do so, because they know what they are looking for. I've seen my mother identify children (around 1 or 1.5 years old) at least half a dozen times who would later go on to be diagnosed on the autistic spectrum. Once, this occurred in a child who didn't receive an MMR vaccine.

 

[Hudson_Hawk]

Date: 2/4/2010 4:55:01 PM
Author: RockHugger

Date: 2/4/2010 4:46:37 PM

Author: TravelingGal

Date: 2/4/2010 4:38:07 PM

Author: RockHugger

Date: 2/4/2010 4:36:35 PM

Author: elrohwen

{{ runs to get santa hat to bang head, TGal-style }}

You know..thats the same feeling I get when I hear people talking about getting their childs shots at the doctors.

RH, you''re entitled to your opinion, and I''m sure there are a few PSers who share your suspicion of vaccines. Obviously no one is going to change your mind. And you''re not concerned about the diseases, that''s fair enough. That''s how you feel, and it''s a fact for you, I get that.


However, if you are going to come here and state, as adamantly as you are, your case for what causes autism and what can help this, that or the other thing, it is not rude of people to ask for links and studies. If you''re so passionate about this and are frustrated when people go and vac their kids, why wouldn''t you give us the back up? Yes, you said you are ''very busy with 2 kids and can''t be sitting here looking up studies'' for us, but you seem to have time to collect gems, shoot pictures, chat on PS, etc...why not find the link the studies yourself that you''ve already researched them, especially if it would really help someone to see things your way and potentially keep autism at bay?

I gave you a place to find the studies and information above. Apparently noone read it.


go to www.justmommies.com. Then go to choosing not to vaccinate and look through it. Everything is archived there.

I''m sorry, but pointing someone to a web discussion forum for scientific information is just laughable.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 2/4/2010 5:04:59 PM
Author: Hudson_Hawk

Date: 2/4/2010 4:55:01 PM
Author: RockHugger



I gave you a place to find the studies and information above. Apparently noone read it.


go to www.justmommies.com. Then go to choosing not to vaccinate and look through it. Everything is archived there.

I''m sorry, but pointing someone to a web discussion forum for scientific information is just laughable.

but...but...you can join pampers village.....................

 

[Clairitek]

Date: 2/4/2010 5:00:32 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 2/4/2010 4:55:01 PM
Author: RockHugger

Date: 2/4/2010 4:46:37 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 2/4/2010 4:38:07 PM
Author: RockHugger

Date: 2/4/2010 4:36:35 PM
Author: elrohwen
{{ runs to get santa hat to bang head, TGal-style }}

You know..thats the same feeling I get when I hear people talking about getting their childs shots at the doctors.

RH, you''re entitled to your opinion, and I''m sure there are a few PSers who share your suspicion of vaccines. Obviously no one is going to change your mind. And you''re not concerned about the diseases, that''s fair enough. That''s how you feel, and it''s a fact for you, I get that.

However, if you are going to come here and state, as adamantly as you are, your case for what causes autism and what can help this, that or the other thing, it is not rude of people to ask for links and studies. If you''re so passionate about this and are frustrated when people go and vac their kids, why wouldn''t you give us the back up? Yes, you said you are ''very busy with 2 kids and can''t be sitting here looking up studies'' for us, but you seem to have time to collect gems, shoot pictures, chat on PS, etc...why not find the link the studies yourself that you''ve already researched them, especially if it would really help someone to see things your way and potentially keep autism at bay?

I gave you a place to find the studies and information above. Apparently noone read it.

go to www.justmommies.com. Then go to choosing not to vaccinate and look through it. Everything is archived there.

And where would the link ''choosing not to vaccinate'' be on this very scientific site that puked a banner at me to join Pampers Village?

Before you go running off to join Pampers Village, here is your link TGal

http://www.justmommies.com/forums/f325-choosing-not-to-vaccinate/

 

[Hudson_Hawk]

Date: 2/4/2010 5:06:37 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 2/4/2010 5:04:59 PM

Author: Hudson_Hawk

Date: 2/4/2010 4:55:01 PM

Author: RockHugger




I gave you a place to find the studies and information above. Apparently noone read it.



go to www.justmommies.com. Then go to choosing not to vaccinate and look through it. Everything is archived there.

I''m sorry, but pointing someone to a web discussion forum for scientific information is just laughable.

but...but...you can join pampers village.....................

Very true, diapers are expensive and I could use the coupons. But what if my baby has an allergic reaction and his/her butt swells up to the size of a musk mellon? I wonder if a garlic smoothie would work???

 

[elrohwen]

I actually am scrolling through the Chose Not to Vaccinate forum and 99% of the links archived there are people who "believe" that the incidence of austim is up, people who "believe" that vaccines caused autism in their kids. I'm really not seeing a whole lot of evidence here! I can't find anything that has been proven in a peer reviewed scientific publication. It's all hogwash.

RH, you claim that we're all so close minded, but when I look at this link you provided all I see are a lot of other close minded people with a lot less facts to back them up. Being open minded does not mean believing everything you read, or reading things that support what you want to believe.

 

[partgypsy]

Alot of times with ethical questions, such as not wanting to do something because it is less convenient to me, I ask, what if everyone did this? For example instead of taking time to walk to the trash can, throwing a piece of trash on the ground is not so terrible, but if everyone did it we would be knee deep in trash. Or cutting in line, or not recycling, shorting stocks, being uninsured, whatever. In the case of vaccines, it's not just individual choice, the model, the societal benefit breaks down if enough people "opt out" of the system. The problem is, your perceived benefit (I don't think it is a real benefit) comes at a societal cost.

As far as seeing correlations, people and animals are very good at making links between events that come in close succession. Evolutionarily speaking this serves us well to avoid things that we have had bad experiences with. It comes at the cost that sometimes we make links between things that happen to occur arbitrarily close to each other and are not causally related (ever get sick right after eating a particular food and not be able to eat that food for a long long time?). Unfortunately the symptoms of autism exhibit themselves at the same time children get many series of shots. I have no doubt in my mind that you sincerely believe there is a connection. But science is not done by anecdote, it is done by looking at large numbers of events and controlling for variables which may influence those numbers. And those scientific studies do not support such a link.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 2/4/2010 5:08:34 PM
Author: Clairitek

Before you go running off to join Pampers Village, here is your link TGal

http://www.justmommies.com/forums/f325-choosing-not-to-vaccinate/

Excellent. Thanks.

The first topic I see is a sticky that says the following:

"Choosing Not to Vaccinate Blinkies ~ (Why Raggedy Ann is a symbol)"
Hokay. Clicked on that and clicked on a pic and got the pic below. Googled his name and found him on wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyd_Haley. The article mentions:

"Haley surmises that mercury released from dental amalgams could be a potential cause of autism and Alzheimer’s disease. His findings have not been reproduced and the United States Public Health Service and the American Dental Association reject these claims.[2][3"

Well, Christ. I actually (well and truly) have a dentist appointment at 3:15 today and am going to ask them to rip out my fillings.

That is...if I can remember to ask.

 

[kama_s]

Date: 2/4/2010 5:04:59 PM
Author: Hudson_Hawk

Date: 2/4/2010 4:55:01 PM
Author: RockHugger



I gave you a place to find the studies and information above. Apparently noone read it.


go to www.justmommies.com. Then go to choosing not to vaccinate and look through it. Everything is archived there.

I''m sorry, but pointing someone to a web discussion forum for scientific information is just laughable.

Let''s forget the fact that it''s a discussion forum for mommies, shall we? So apparently there are articles on there about not vaccinating...BUT, what about the articles on the advantages of vaccinating (including MMR) that are available on the SAME website?!!

Ugh. I can''t do this. This thread upsets me. I don''t know how you have so much patience, Neatfreak.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 2/4/2010 5:17:53 PM
Author: kama_s

Date: 2/4/2010 5:04:59 PM
Author: Hudson_Hawk

Date: 2/4/2010 4:55:01 PM
Author: RockHugger



I gave you a place to find the studies and information above. Apparently noone read it.


go to www.justmommies.com. Then go to choosing not to vaccinate and look through it. Everything is archived there.

I''m sorry, but pointing someone to a web discussion forum for scientific information is just laughable.

Let''s forget the fact that it''s a discussion forum for mommies, shall we? So apparently there are articles on there about not vaccinating...BUT, what about the articles on the advantages of vaccinating (including MMR) that are available on the SAME website?!!

Ugh. I can''t do this. This thread upsets me. I don''t know how you have so much patience, Neatfreak.

One word:

Twins.

(who are vaccinated btw.)

 

[IloveAsschers13]

I''m not sure why anyone would want their child to go through sicknesses they don''t have to just because? It''s awful for a parent to not be scared that their children are going to catch these things so they willingly let them catch them and then suffer through them, because they, the parents aren''t scared. I mean here I am, a healthy 22 year old that has never had the measles or the mumps, and I got all my vaccinations, and I do not have autism, as my brother and sister do not as well. There. We are THREE examples of people who did not get autism, not just ONE example of how ONE child has been diagnosed with autism.

 

[kama_s]

Date: 2/4/2010 3:29:02 PM
Author: RockHugger

EXACTLY why I dont vaccinate. Science wont test for safety intill its forced to be tested. If I am going to inject something into my childs blood stream. It better have been tested for safety (and by someone who is not making the money off of it)! Not just ASSUMED safe!
Acillin is effective against bacteria, viruses and fungus. It was used before penicillin was invented. They actually used to pack wounds durring WW1 with crushed garlic.
Please research it before you blow it off. This is what I mean. Closed minded. You have your mind set on it befor eyou even know anything about it.

I guess coincidence cured my MRSA as well right (that vancomyacin couldnt kill)? My 8 yr old had severe cellulitis on her hand from biting at herself. I packed it with raw crushed garlic and olive oil for a few days and it was gone.
It also boosts the immune system (I have no idea how or why but it works!) She had a 1.2 white blood count the doctors couldnt find the reason for. Sence she has been doing the smoothies regularly, she is at a fairly normal 5.8.

Now I dont have conclusive studies on this by big labs, if its what your looking for. But I thought I was being a nice human being by sharing something that has helped my family so much. Excuse me!

RH, does your special garlic mix cure cancer too? I mean, it kills bacteria AND virus AND other bad bad things. So, I''m just assuming it''s super hero powers can kill aberrant cells, yes? Plus, what about HIV? I mean, it''s a virus too, isn''t it? Can it cure AIDS?

 

[Pandora II]

Children do die in developed countries.

In the area of London where I live we only have a 64% vaccine uptake compared with over 90% in the rest of the UK. Despite the area having one of the leading hospitals in the UK with one of the best specialist children''s hospitals attached, over 10 children died last year from measles complications and others were left brain-damaged.

I''m always interested when people say that their children are ''allergic'' to vaccines. It is normal for a child to have a raised temperature for a day or so and feel a bit unwell - that is the body responding and creating antibodies.

My daughter has had all her vaccines to date plus the H1N1 and also the BCG against TB as cases of antibiotic-resistant TB are on the rise. I had no issues about vaccinating - I come from a medical family and my father would have been the first to advise me not to if he thought there was any risk. He spent years working in the developing world and even with the medical care that he and the other doctors were providing many children died though lack of vaccination - seeing children die of preventable diseases was heart-breaking.

For what it''s worth, both he and I have Aspergers... we blame our faulty genes!

 

[kama_s]

Date: 2/4/2010 5:23:33 PM
Author: IloveAsschers13
I''m not sure why anyone would want their child to go through sicknesses they don''t have to just because? It''s awful for a parent to not be scared that their children are going to catch these things so they willingly let them catch them and then suffer through them, because they, the parents aren''t scared. I mean here I am, a healthy 22 year old that has never had the measles or the mumps, and I got all my vaccinations, and I do not have autism, as my brother and sister do not as well. There. We are THREE examples of people who did not get autism, not just ONE example of how ONE child has been diagnosed with autism.

Because you don''t need a licence to have kids. My 16 year old neighbor can have a child, ya know. It''s called being irresponsible.

 

[IloveAsschers13]

Date: 2/4/2010 5:25:46 PM
Author: kama_s

Date: 2/4/2010 5:23:33 PM

Author: IloveAsschers13

I''m not sure why anyone would want their child to go through sicknesses they don''t have to just because? It''s awful for a parent to not be scared that their children are going to catch these things so they willingly let them catch them and then suffer through them, because they, the parents aren''t scared. I mean here I am, a healthy 22 year old that has never had the measles or the mumps, and I got all my vaccinations, and I do not have autism, as my brother and sister do not as well. There. We are THREE examples of people who did not get autism, not just ONE example of how ONE child has been diagnosed with autism.

Because you don''t need a licence to have kids. My 16 year old neighbor can have a child, ya know. It''s called being irresponsible.

I''m just giving my story of how three children did get the vaccines and DIDN''t suffer through preventable diseases... seems to be what RH is doing, just the opposite.

 

[TravelingGal]

Whether you believe in vaccinations or not, people are going to have their opinions. RH isn''t the only one on PS who is anti-vaccine, anti-pharm, etc. And I think many moms here who are pro vac, including myself DID worry when it came time to make these decisions. We researched, and made our decisions.

As much as I love PS, I didn''t do my research on a FORUM. I''m not the most learned person around, but took the time to read a few things from many sources. Even read about Jenny McCarthy.

And of course, I looked at some more serious stuff too. The bottom line is do the research, and RESEARCH THE RESEARCH. And right now, Lancet RETRACTED the study. That should MEAN something to a person who is being objective!!!

 

[elrohwen]

Date: 2/4/2010 5:24:58 PM
Author: Pandora II
I''m always interested when people say that their children are ''allergic'' to vaccines. It is normal for a child to have a raised temperature for a day or so and feel a bit unwell - that is the body responding and creating antibodies.

I''m willing to believe that specific children may be allergic enough that they would be unable to finish the typical vaccine schedule.

If I had a kid like that, I would sure as heck hope that every other parent had had their kids vaccinated!

I think the US probably isn''t far off from having measles outbreaks like the ones in the UK. So sad.

 

[purrfectpear]

Just when I thought it was safe to put away the tin foil hats.

 

[Hudson_Hawk]

Date: 2/4/2010 5:42:34 PM
Author: purrfectpear
Just when I thought it was safe to put away the tin foil hats.

It''ll never be safe, now we have purple AND orange space people to worry about!!!

 

[zhuzhu]

Date: 2/4/2010 5:31:11 PM
Author: TravelingGal
Whether you believe in vaccinations or not, people are going to have their opinions. RH isn''t the only one on PS who is anti-vaccine, anti-pharm, etc. And I think many moms here who are pro vac, including myself DID worry when it came time to make these decisions. We researched, and made our decisions.


As much as I love PS, I didn''t do my research on a FORUM. I''m not the most learned person around, but took the time to read a few things from many sources. Even read about Jenny McCarthy.

And of course, I looked at some more serious stuff too. The bottom line is do the research, and RESEARCH THE RESEARCH. And right now, Lancet RETRACTED the study. That should MEAN something to a person who is being objective!!!

and NO, Lancet is not paid by the big pharma.... Just to be sure that everyone knows...

 

[kama_s]

Date: 2/4/2010 5:44:19 PM
Author: Hudson_Hawk

Date: 2/4/2010 5:42:34 PM
Author: purrfectpear
Just when I thought it was safe to put away the tin foil hats.

It''ll never be safe, now we have purple AND orange space people to worry about!!!

And you thought the ''other'' thread had bad juju...

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 2/4/2010 5:42:34 PM
Author: purrfectpear
Just when I thought it was safe to put away the tin foil hats.

I kept mine just in case. *PHEW*

 

[swimmer]

I have now spent more than an hour on that anti-vaccination page of a mommy blog. Well, I was also eating an entire pineapple so the time was not wasted. I found one poster who had some research to cite, but because her ability to analyze statistical data was so deeply flawed I won't subject her to the ridicule she would get here; needless to say, she would be very hard pressed to get a BA by quoting studies that totally refuted her basic premise.

So, what I learned was to question the lone gunman conspiracy, the "theory" of gravity, the "alleged" lunar landing, and very possibly the final episode of X-Files. Later ladies, I have to get my fillings removed.

ETA: But wow, I must add how much I appreciate Pricescope! People here generally take the time to spell and generally demonstrate mastery of the English language. I kept having to skip posts on that forum because (yes, I am a teacher) if a poster can't wrangle English properly I feel pretty confident that they have posted little worth reading. Why on Earth would "LOL" figure heavily into a discussion about childhood illness? I thought that was only typed out by teenagers too inarticulate to ask each other out via text!

 

[Maisie]

RH, I understand how you feel about your child. I have a son with special needs. He has a speech and communication disorder and struggles to interact with children and adults. I found myself trying to attribute blame to something, anything, for the way my son is. I had 4 healthy children before I had James and none of them have the difficulties he has.

I can understand that you are afraid that something out of your control might make the problems worse. Medications and vaccinations can have unwanted and frightening consequences and you probably feel that you have enough to deal with without adding anything else in.

I had my son vaccinated before he had a diagnosis for his issues. But I did know he already had problems and was warned during my pregnancy that he would struggle in some way, even though they couldn''t quite tell me in what way. What I am trying to say is there are many children who are affected with special needs and/or syndromes which are not connected with these vaccinations. I don''t pretend to have all of the information about these medications but I do know that I couldn''t bear to see my child suffer an illness that could be prevented with a vaccine.

Just because you aren''t afraid of an illness doesn''t mean that your child won''t be. They could suffer much more than you would. Even the most fit and healthy person can become incredibly unwell from seemingly mild diseases.

All I am trying to say is I understand where you are coming from but I would hope that you would use your common sense as a parent should your child need medical intervention.

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 2/4/2010 5:57:09 PM
Author: swimmer
I have now spent more than an hour on that anti-vaccination page of a mommy blog. Well, I was also eating an entire pineapple so the time was not wasted. I found one poster who had some research to cite, but because her ability to analyze statistical data was so deeply flawed I won't subject her to the ridicule she would get here; needless to say, she would be very hard pressed to get a BA by quoting studies that totally refuted her basic premise.


So, what I learned was to question the lone gunman conspiracy, the 'theory' of gravity, the 'alleged' lunar landing, and very possibly the final episode of X-Files. Later ladies, I have to get my fillings removed.

And that is exactly why I was asking for some credible citations. Thank you Swimmer.

 

[Pandora II]

LOL, I actually DID get my fillings removed...

I had such terrible migraines and so often that it was a ''heck, I''ll try anything'' move.

Didn''t stop the migraines - but my teeth looked a lot better!