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Perhaps there's a genetic/evolutionary factor.
Long ago I imagine males roamed around and ... uhm ... spread their DNA to as many women as possible.

The monogamous men left FAR! fewer offspring.
The math, and zillions of generations of this pattern, rewarded the men who impregnated the most women.
If you will, a Darwinian selection rewarding uncontrolled male promiscuity.
Isn't this how it works today in many animals that don't do monogamy, marriage and religion?

Sorry it's not fair or equal for the women, but there you go.

Again I am not excusing what offenders do today.
I'm just pondering what might contribute to behavior that was rewarded for eons but criminal today.
 
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No, I appreciate your insight, and that's in fact what I've come to also - that its some twisted vestigial remnant of evolution. But it means they are totally capable of turning off the part of them that says "Hey Kevin, you know this behavior can take you down, right? At any minute you could be self-sabotaging your own career?" Or they have the equivalent of a death wish regarding their thrill seeking. Or, and this is what scares me most, they don't have the capability to see that its wrong (wrong is an understatement but you know what I mean) - like our current president...
 
Kenny, most study of the social, evolutionary data out there suggests that humans are "monogamish" That is we tend towards pair bonding, but with some "cheating". While men may spread their dna far and wide, most likely those who were in stable pair bonds were more likely to successfully reproduce for future generations, since babies are evolutionarily "expensive" (babies are really dependent, and take a long time to mature). but yeah it promotes different "strategies" for the two sexes.

http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...he_evolution_of_human_mating_strategies_.html
 
Thanks PG.
 
minousbijoux said:
So admittedly, I am a rule follower with a strong moral/ethical streak, but there are aspects of this case - and those of every other person accused of sexual predation - that confound me. Did the sexual predators know their actions were heinous and wrong? Didn't they ever fear they would be caught? Didn't they care about how people would see them, the stories about them, and their reputations (the quote from Cavazos who said "there are a lot of us who have a 'Kevin Spacey story'" made me think it was not such a secret then)?!! Did they not think about the consequences of their actions on their own futures? I so don't understand this mindset...can anyone shed some light?
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Here is my armchair opinion..it will be scattered at best...

Judging Spacey (only) specifically by his actions in regards to sexually assaulting an underage boy and many others and by the way he handled being accused....
That ****er thinks he’s above the law. I’m not sure getting caught was a factor. Those boys and men were blessed to have sex/receive sexual advances from Spacey! What he was doing wasn’t assault it was a gift!

Just look at how he handled being accused. The spotlight was off of him for a brief moment..so he grabbed it and yanked it right back onto him!

He is the most grotesque kind of human because he won’t feel remorse for his actions. He will only be upset that he is being treated so poorly now that he’s being accused.

Narcissist 101.
 
kenny said:
Additional reports of abuse pour in: http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41829484

Looks like another big career is ending, like Cosby and Weinstein.
You don't need court convictions to stop someone from getting new work
We have the real court system, then we have the court of public opinion.

BTW, I hate the statue of limitations.
It results in letting criminals get away with crimes. :blackeye:

Of course I understand its purpose, reduce the chance innocent people are found guilty.
Evidence trails run cold.
Time fades memories.
Witnesses die.

Which is preferred, a guilty guy goes free or an innocent guy goes to jail or is executed?
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California ended the statute of limitations for rape and other sexual assault charges thanks to the Cosby case.
 
I don't agree that there should be a statute of limitations on sexual abuse. It takes a lot of time for accusers to come forth, especially if they were children when the abuse took place. These men being accused are not facing jail time as far as I know. That's not right.
 
sad :((new reports are coming out, one is saying that there are likely to be many more reports about Kevin Spacey . It seems there may be many victims .
I am very disappointed.
 
House Cat said:
California ended the statute of limitations for rape and other sexual assault charges thanks to the Cosby case.
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I did not know that. I am very glad. I only wish it were not only one state. The other day someone posted that child marriage was still allowed in some states. And, despite Roe v. Wade many states are now attempting-illegally-to limit a woman's right to choose.

There have to be laws enforced in all states for women to have rights and for sexual abuse victims to have rights.
 
Arkteia said:
I think that a lot of guilt lies with the person who brought a 14-year old boy to the adult party with alcohol. Gay or straight.
That Spacey was gay was well-known.
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This!

I also thought his tweet could be an exemplar of how *not* to apologize. "I don't remember...But if I did behave as he describes..." Either you believe the guy or you don't, which is it?

Then Spacey went on to say how this "story" encouraged him to address other things in his life. Like what Mr. Spacey, how you could possibly think it was OK to invite a 14 year old to an adult party in the first place? That might have been a good place to start!
 
Personally, I think the men who do these things feel they are entitled to do so. They believe people around them (often women, but can be others) are inferior and can be abused. And nobody is really stopping them, so why not just continue enjoying the 'perks'? Barf.
 
Dustin Hoffman is the latest celebrity to publicly apologize for sexual harassment and groping a 17 year old intern in ‘85 :eek2:
 
kenny said:
Perhaps there's a genetic/evolutionary factor.
Long ago I imagine males roamed around and ... uhm ... spread their DNA to as many women as possible.

The monogamous men left FAR! fewer offspring.
The math, and zillions of generations of this pattern, rewarded the men who impregnated the most women.
If you will, a Darwinian selection rewarding uncontrolled male promiscuity.
Isn't this how it works today in many animals that don't do monogamy, marriage and religion?

Sorry it's not fair or equal for the women, but there you go.

Again I am not excusing what offenders do today.
I'm just pondering what might contribute to behavior that was rewarded for eons but criminal today.
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I was reading this interesting article recently that suggested a higher than what we would assume percentage of children born to married couples are not the real children of the man/husband in the relationship frequently without the man/father knowing - so these days it seems that some women might also be on the prowl for better DNA as well........
 
kenny said:
Perhaps there's a genetic/evolutionary factor.
Long ago I imagine males roamed around and ... uhm ... spread their DNA to as many women as possible.

The monogamous men left FAR! fewer offspring.
The math, and zillions of generations of this pattern, rewarded the men who impregnated the most women.
If you will, a Darwinian selection rewarding uncontrolled male promiscuity.
Isn't this how it works today in many animals that don't do monogamy, marriage and religion?

Sorry it's not fair or equal for the women, but there you go.

Again I am not excusing what offenders do today.
I'm just pondering what might contribute to behavior that was rewarded for eons but criminal today.
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They were not monogamous in tribal time. A man's lifespan was about 20 years. So the goal was to leave as many children with as many women for gene diversity, and to protect the tribe.

But we are 7 bln people now, living in globalization time, with long lifespans. We would die if men still strived for gene diversity, so to say. Different times require different behaviors, from men and women.
 
Arkteia said:
... But we are 7 bln people now, living in globalization time, with long lifespans. We would die if men still strived for gene diversity, so to say. Different times require different behaviors, from men and women.
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Yes.
Of course.
I agree 100%.

My post was in response to a "How could this happen?" question.
I was pondering what kind of male impulses might be pervasive because of zillions of generations of Darwinian advantage.

I was not arguing unlimited male promiscuity was okay today.
 
In theater, cast parties are a thing. Your parents don't go! I was in The Crucible when I was 15 and the cast party was at the director's house. The cast of that show is a 50/50 mix of kids and adults. We all went and had a great time and my parents probably just assumed no one would sexually harass or assault me (which no one did or would).

The QUESTION IS NOT why did a 14 year old boy go to a cast party. The question is why does Kevin Spacey think it's ok to sexually assault people.

If I had been raped at that party I would hope that instead of saying "But Elliot why was a 15 year old girl at a party with a bunch of 30 and 40 year old adults? Didn't your parents know bettter?" That is victim blaming at its lowest. The attention should in no way be on what the victim might have done differently to prevent being assaulted.
 
Except it wasn't a cast party (they were in two different productions) and Rapp was the only non-adult invited. Which may have been fine, seeing as they were both in the same industry, except it is now reasonable to believe that Spacey invited him for the purpose of seducing him.

I agree with you that the blame is in no way on Rapp. But just because cast parties with members of all ages exist doesn't mean Spacey is off the hook for inviting a minor to an adult party in the first place.
 
Kevin Spacey was 31 and the victim was 14. When I was 14 in the 60s I had 31 year old guy hitting on me.

I'm not supporting Spacey, I'm just musing that in earlier people were more tolerant of age differences. So today a guy who is 31 and attracted to a 14 yr old girl is a pedophile, back in my day it was flattering. I have never read how gay people find other gay people so I'm not sure why Spacey thought the victim was be open to his attraction.
 
Men are pigs and think with their dicks, sense of entitelment, powet trip. I'm so fed up with the freakin excuses, I say let's pass a law to Castrate all males at birth an we hopefully no longer have a problem in the long run........ yeah no more procreation seems to be the solution.
 
^Ugh. I know that's a knee-jerk reaction, and I'm fed up with it, too, but castration seems a bit extreme. Not all men haven't evolved to the point that they can't keep their hands and thoughts to themselves.
 
Cluless said:
Men are pigs and think with their dicks, sense of entitelment, powet trip. I'm so fed up with the freakin excuses, I say let's pass a law to Castrate all males at birth an we hopefully no longer have a problem in the long run........ yeah no more procreation seems to be the solution.
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Well...that's certainly one way to solve the problem. It wouldn't be my first choice, however. There are a few good men (although the marines are still looking for them). One of them is my brother. He raised two fabulous daughters who adore him and he still serves the community very actively after retiring at a very young 62. I am quite glad he was allowed to procreate. ;))
 
Yeah Deb I know there are still good ones out there, just feeling extremely frustrated with all this crap right now
 
Maria D said:
Except it wasn't a cast party (they were in two different productions) and Rapp was the only non-adult invited. Which may have been fine, seeing as they were both in the same industry, except it is now reasonable to believe that Spacey invited him for the purpose of seducing him.

I agree with you that the blame is in no way on Rapp. But just because cast parties with members of all ages exist doesn't mean Spacey is off the hook for inviting a minor to an adult party in the first place.
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Even if you take the party aspect out of the equation, I have a problem with "why was the 14 year old there." Probably to spend time with people who were mentoring him, established actors, people who might advance a career. The focus is becoming (not you just out there in the world) "Why was a child alone with him" and not "Why wasn't it ok for him to be alone with a child."
 
Elliot86 said:
Even if you take the party aspect out of the equation, I have a problem with "why was the 14 year old there."
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Thank you, Elliot. This is how we stray into the area of blaming the victim. I have known Maria D since before I joined Pricescope and I know she is an acute thinker who wouldn't blame the victim. Other people, however, would and do think the way that language leads them, however, and questioning why the boy was there opens the door for the b*stards who want to start in on knocking him! I agree with you. Don't go after why he was there. That is immaterial.

Thanks again.

Deb :wavey:
 
monarch, sorry didn't igore you, guess I saw Deb's response before yours. I know it's extreme, just my frustration coming out. I'll try to keep the rest of my thoughts to myself cause right now there are no nice thoughts lol
 
AGBF said:
Thank you, Elliot. This is how we stray into the area of blaming the victim. I have known Maria D since before I joined Pricescope and I know she is an acute thinker who wouldn't blame the victim. Other people, however, would and do think the way that language leads them, however, and questioning why the boy was there opens the door for the b*stards who want to start in on knocking him! I agree with you. Don't go after why he was there. That is immaterial.

Thanks again.

Deb :wavey:
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Thanks Deb - I only question why Rapp was there from the standpoint of why did Spacey invite him, not why did Rapp go.

Before the other accusations came out and I read about this, my thought was that this was likely a pattern of behavior with Spacey. He wasn't facilitating an opportunity to network with colleagues and potential mentors, he was getting drunk and leaving the kid alone in a room. So why did he invite him in the first place? Why did he invite Rapp and another young man to a nightclub (for which they were both underage) a few days before? He clearly liked hanging around boys a bit too much.
 
I just read that now Spacey is taking time off to seek treatment. Why is it they never seem to think they need treatment until they are called out on their behavior?
 
Calliecake said:
I just read that now Spacey is taking time off to seek treatment. Why is it they never seem to think they need treatment until they are called out on their behavior?
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Because the bad person felt he was getting away with being bad.

Now he's in career damage control mode.
I doubt there is any remorse, except for getting caught.
 
Going into rehab seems to be the only means to disappear from radar for a while these days. It's doubtful that seeking help was the primary objective.
 
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