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Date: 4/23/2008 2:14:53 PM
Author: Cleo


If you can''t get the diamond set in time, you could always propose with just the diamond. :)

x x x
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Great idea! Then she can choose her setting.
 
You might have to look at SI1 clarity to stay in budget - but the vendor can confirm if the diamond is eye clean or not to your own preferences. If it''s eye clean then SI1 looks exactly the same as IF - so don''t worry about SI1, many PSers have them!!

Slightly over budget - but superb cut quality and H&A to boot:

Both diamonds are 1.01ct H SI1 $5643 after discount

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3682/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4208/

x x x
 
It looks like you will need to spend a little over $6,000 to stay within the Ideal cut H, VS2 range. I would suggest that you drop maybe to I color maybe and SI-1 in clarity. Most all SI-1 stones face up "eye-clean."

I will look some up and post them below, but the Ideal H-VS2 stones are in the $6,000+ range.
 
Date: 4/23/2008 2:33:46 PM
Author: Ellen
Another consideration in the SI1 camp. Just a tad over budget, and a tad under a carat.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4103/
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Ellen that''s a real beauty!!!! Nice find!
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Love the F colour!

x x x
 
Glad to hear that you didn''t pay for it! I''d go ahead and propose this weekend but not with that diamond. Propose with the setting with a CZ or a smaller placeholder ring and pick the diamond together.
 
Just spoke with Bob Hodgkins at WF. Anyone know of him? He is looking into some diamonds for me. Also, do I have do go with an AGS IDEAL cut, or can I go GIA Excellent and the diamond would still look as good for less money. I heard it is more expensive to get the IDEAL cut from AGS. Can I go GIA and save money?
 
Date: 4/23/2008 3:30:29 PM
Author: CptRon
Just spoke with Bob Hodgkins at WF. Anyone know of him? He is looking into some diamonds for me. Also, do I have do go with an AGS IDEAL cut, or can I go GIA Excellent and the diamond would still look as good for less money. I heard it is more expensive to get the IDEAL cut from AGS. Can I go GIA and save money?
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If you are referring to their Expert Selection, there are many (but not all) that yes, will be just as beautiful. Might want to post potentials on here with stats and pics for opinions.
 
Date: 4/23/2008 3:30:29 PM
Author: CptRon
Just spoke with Bob Hodgkins at WF. Anyone know of him? He is looking into some diamonds for me. Also, do I have do go with an AGS IDEAL cut, or can I go GIA Excellent and the diamond would still look as good for less money. I heard it is more expensive to get the IDEAL cut from AGS. Can I go GIA and save money?
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Considering that you are running out of time - take GIA if it is ACA or Expert Selection.
 
Date: 4/23/2008 3:51:35 PM
Author: LAJennifer

Considering that you are running out of time - take GIA if it is ACA or Expert Selection.
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All ACA''s are AGS0.
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This has been a great learning experience. FYI... I will check out a B&M called Beverly''s tonight. They have a special deal for employees of my company since we work with them. I will see what they have to offer. The manager said he will be happy for me to bring in this P.O.S. to compare it to what he has in stock. He already told me some specs on a couple and prices that fall in line with what I can get online. I will update you tomorrow. Thank you all for your input!
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I think your best best to get a great stone for a fair price is to have WF send one overnight (if you have a way pay for it). The likelihood of that jeweler happening to have a selection of ideal cut stones is very slim. And if they do, you''ll likely be paying a big mark-up. I just hate to see you give up perhaps your last chance to get a stone by Friday.
 
One more warning...if this jeweler has a business association with your company, is it going to hurt any business relationships if you check out their stones and do not buy? This could put you in the same situation you''re already in!
 
Date: 4/23/2008 4:59:45 PM
Author: CptRon
This has been a great learning experience. FYI... I will check out a B&M called Beverly''s tonight. They have a special deal for employees of my company since we work with them. I will see what they have to offer. The manager said he will be happy for me to bring in this P.O.S. to compare it to what he has in stock. He already told me some specs on a couple and prices that fall in line with what I can get online. I will update you tomorrow. Thank you all for your input!
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Not meaning to come across as rude, but this seems to put you back in the same situation as ''the family friend''. Yes you may be able to get a stone with the same ''specs'' for a similar price but I dare say this would be the same size colour and clarity. I really doubt you would be getting a well cut stone - and cut is king! It''s what makes a stone sparkle and look fantastic. A poorer cut stone will look dead and lifeless.

If you really want a killer stone at a great price, I would seriously urge you to pick one of the stones suggested. If you still are keen on the B&M store - please don''t not buy hastily or put a non-refundable deposit down. Make sure you get all the details from the certificate (including crown and pavillion angles) and an IS image (this may be pushing it!), and then come back here and we will tell you the truth.

We just hate to see people spending more money that they need to for inferior diamonds! Good luck
 
Date: 4/23/2008 4:01:14 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 4/23/2008 3:51:35 PM
Author: LAJennifer

Considering that you are running out of time - take GIA if it is ACA or Expert Selection.
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All ACA''s are AGS0.
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I know - I was speed typing.
 
Date: 4/23/2008 4:59:45 PM
Author: CptRon
This has been a great learning experience. FYI... I will check out a B&M called Beverly''s tonight. They have a special deal for employees of my company since we work with them. I will see what they have to offer. The manager said he will be happy for me to bring in this P.O.S. to compare it to what he has in stock. He already told me some specs on a couple and prices that fall in line with what I can get online. I will update you tomorrow. Thank you all for your input!
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With all due respect - I seriously doubt they will give you a killer deal on a premium stone. Special deals like this are usually reserved for the "not so premium" merchandise. What is holding you back from buying online?
 
Date: 4/23/2008 5:07:36 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
I think your best best to get a great stone for a fair price is to have WF send one overnight (if you have a way pay for it). The likelihood of that jeweler happening to have a selection of ideal cut stones is very slim. And if they do, you'll likely be paying a big mark-up. I just hate to see you give up perhaps your last chance to get a stone by Friday.
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Ditto-it's very unlikely that this B&M will have AGS 0 stones that are the same price as a WF ACA. I would call WF and try to get them to overnight the stone of your choice to you in their simple 6 prong white gold setting.
 
To answer your question about Bob at Whiteflash, I dealt with him on my 2.06 pear. I would trust his eyes to pick out a great stone any day. I saved thousands and am extremely pleased with the quality and looks of my stone.
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Well, I went to the B&M. They had amazing diamonds. They put my diamond up to theirs, which was the same cut and clarity and both my diamond and theirs were certified by EGL USA, but their cut was within the guidelines set here on PS, and it blew my diamond away!!! Mine looked like a flat piece of glass and theirs looked like a burning fire! Their price (because my company gets a 25% discount with them) was $4,200. I was going to pay $5,000 for mine!! They also showed me a GIA certified D color, I1 clarity (eye clean) diamond for $4,500. They said it was a new cut with 84 or 86 facets (can''t remember which), called the Passion cut. They said they just started selling it this week, and I would be the first ever to buy this cut. Even if that was blown smoke, who cares if is a great stone?! So, what are your opinions on this new scenario??? I am driving myself nuts!!! Just to mention... I am still considering having a diamond from WF oernighted tomorrow. I just don''t think I need their AGS0 cut diamond for more than I can afford. Please advise. Thanks!
 
Please go with whiteflash. They are highly reputable and you get what you pay for.
 
Date: 4/23/2008 9:49:03 PM
Author: fabcrab
Please go with whiteflash. They are highly reputable and you get what you pay for.
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Ditto-an EGL cert is usually very "loose," meaning that D I1 could be more like an F I2 or I3. Anything is going to look better than the diamond you have, especially in a jewelry store with all their special lighting.

If you want the best performing diamond, get an AGS 0 diamond. You can spend the same amount that you were going to spend on the ring you have now ($7000, right?) on a killer diamond and a simple setting. You can always get a fancier setting down the road.
 
Also, didn't you want a VS2 originally? Please don't let a salesperson's smoke and mirrors dissuade you from that! An I1 is far from a VS2. I'm not knocking it for anyone who has one, but it's not necessarily a clarity many people would want for an engagement ring because of durability issues.
 
I think thingof2 summed it up very nicely. I certainly could not agree more. WF have QUALITY stones especially if it makes the strict standards of their ACA line.
 
The D, I1 was GIA, not EGL USA. Either way, I hear what your saying. I will not sacrifice the better cut or clarity. What do you think of my selections from my other post regarding WF?
 
Date: 4/23/2008 9:59:46 PM
Author: thing2of2
Also, didn''t you want a VS2 originally? Please don''t let a salesperson''s smoke and mirrors dissuade you from that! An I1 is far from a VS2. I''m not knocking it for anyone who has one, but it''s not necessarily a clarity many people would want for an engagement ring because of durability issues.
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Just wanted to mention T2O2, not all I1''s have durability issues.
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Hello!

I honestly think this diamond is your best, and safest bet (the one that Ellen found for you):
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4103/

It''s great value, as it is slightly under a carat, 0.9ct, and is a fabulous combination of colour and clarity being an F SI1.

Take a look at the photo of the diamond... it is *stunning*.

It also has the benefit of the super-precise optical symmetry which creates the beautiful Hearts & Arrows which this diamond displays. This means it took around four times longer to cut this diamond than a standard AGS0 stone.

At $5205 after your bank wire discount, it''s an amazing diamond for you money and I would urge to give this one serious consideration.

GoodOldGold also have a lifetime upgrade policy - which means you can trade this stone in with them at any time, should you want to get a bigger (or different!) diamond in the future... something I expect the B&M doesn''t offer. :)

As incredible as this diamond looks in the pictures... it is nothing compared to its beauty in real life. It will blow you, and your future fiancee away... I promise!

x x x
 
Date: 4/23/2008 9:08:33 PM
Author: CptRon
Well, I went to the B&M. They had amazing diamonds. They put my diamond up to theirs, which was the same cut and clarity and both my diamond and theirs were certified by EGL USA, but their cut was within the guidelines set here on PS, and it blew my diamond away!!! Mine looked like a flat piece of glass and theirs looked like a burning fire! Their price (because my company gets a 25% discount with them) was $4,200. I was going to pay $5,000 for mine!! They also showed me a GIA certified D color, I1 clarity (eye clean) diamond for $4,500. They said it was a new cut with 84 or 86 facets (can't remember which), called the Passion cut. They said they just started selling it this week, and I would be the first ever to buy this cut. Even if that was blown smoke, who cares if is a great stone?! So, what are your opinions on this new scenario??? I am driving myself nuts!!! Just to mention... I am still considering having a diamond from WF oernighted tomorrow. I just don't think I need their AGS0 cut diamond for more than I can afford. Please advise. Thanks!
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Obviously we can't see what you saw, so it's impossible to give a definitive answer. We just don't know.

This is what I do know, from shopping retail stores before buying online. Most retails stores, no matter how nice they are, usually carry less than stellar stones, unless they are branded. I've no doubt that their stones looked better than yours, that would not be hard to do. (this is in no way meant as an unkind statement) So you've now seen better stones, and they looked great. However, if you took their stones, and put them next to the type of stones that have been suggested in here, me thinks you would indeed see a difference again. Good looks great, until you see better.
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As for the "new cut", from what I've read on here from the true experts, they are not worth the premium, and serve no real visual impact, except possibly on larger stones, say 2+ cts. So I would not recommend that one.

I don't want to tell you what to do, but I really recommend getting a stone online. It's a sure thing, something we can't say about the other.
 
I see what you are saying Ellen. I know that the .90 for GoodOldGold looks amazing! I have convinced myself to go a little bigger right now so that I don''t feel the need to upgrade sooner than I would like because I was not happy with its size. I just need to keep looking for that ONE that will make me very happy to purchase. Thanks again!
 
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