Just got the ering I ordered...Please advise!!!! Not Happy...

[CptRon]

I am really disappointed right now....I don''t think this is a good diamond....But I need your opinions...

Certified by EGL-USA

1.00 Ct

Depth 57.7%

Table 69%

Crown 10.9%

Pavillion 43.5%

Girdle Thin to Sl. Thick

Culet Very Small

Polish: Good

Symmetry: Good

Clarity: VS2

Color: H

Flourescence: None

It is in a .95 Ct. Platinum round and baguette setting.

Have not paid any money yet because it is a family friend, but the center stone is $5,000 and the setting is $2,000.

Please advise!!

 

[Ellen]

Please return it, your instincts are correct. Too much is not good, and is that by chance a typo on the table?

We''ll help you find something else.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/23/2008 11:56:09 AM
Author:CptRon
I am really disappointed right now....I don't think this is a good diamond....But I need your opinions...

Certified by EGL-USA

1.00 Ct

Depth 57.7%

Table 69%

Crown 10.9%

Pavillion 43.5%

Girdle Thin to Sl. Thick

Culet Very Small

Polish: Good

Symmetry: Good

Clarity: VS2

Color: H

Flourescence: None

It is in a .95 Ct. Platinum round and baguette setting.

Have not paid any money yet because it is a family friend, but the center stone is $5,000 and the setting is $2,000.

Please advise!!

From the info given the cut does not look at all good, shallow and with a huge table if these figures are correct, can you recheck? I think you know the best thing to do is to pass on this transaction and look at some vendors perhaps other than family friends. Unfortunately it rarely seems to work out well using a friend/ family friend etc for such an important purchase. I would return it ASAP and start again, we would be pleased to help. You have a nice budget and could get a stunning ring for that!

 

[purrfectpear]

Unless "culet very small" is just their way of saying none (and I don''t think it is) it sounds like it''s more of a transitional cut? I don''t think I''ve seen a modern RB with a culet?

 

[Lexie]

If your numbers are correct, according to the HCA, it scored a 6.1

You could definitely do better than that.

 

[Splinter]

I have a 10 foot barge pole with me, but I would not use it to touch that stone...

 

[Ellen]

Date: 4/23/2008 12:07:21 PM
Author: purrfectpear
Unless ''culet very small'' is just their way of saying none (and I don''t think it is) it sounds like it''s more of a transitional cut? I don''t think I''ve seen a modern RB with a culet?

Actually, they can have a culet up to a certain point.

http://diamonds.pricescope.com/culet.asp

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 4/23/2008 11:59:50 AM
Author: Ellen
Please return it, your instincts are correct. Too much is not good, and is that by chance a typo on the table?

We''ll help you find something else.

DITTO. Unfortunately many many people end up getting bad diamonds with family friends...

 

[chrono]

That stone is flat as a pancake. Huge table, very shallow and extremely low crown height. It might even have a fish eye or ring of death. I'd return it and look for a different stone.

These are the parameters that should net you a much better looking stone:
table 54-57%
depth 60-62%
crown angle 34-35
pavilion angle 40.7 to 41
polish and symmetry should be at least very good to excellent

purrfectpear,
There's no way this is a transition stone. There are modern stones with small to large culets; they are just cut that way for a different effect. My current avatar shows a newly cut cushion but it has a medium culet. Old cut stones usually have very tiny tables, are deep and have super high crown with chunky faceting in addition to larger culets.

 

[tberube]

Oof. Ouch. High price, not a great cut. Please return it.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 4/23/2008 12:13:10 PM
Author: neatfreak

Date: 4/23/2008 11:59:50 AM
Author: Ellen
Please return it, your instincts are correct. Too much is not good, and is that by chance a typo on the table?

We''ll help you find something else.

DITTO. Unfortunately many many people end up getting bad diamonds with family friends...

Seriously, if I had a dollar....

 

[diamondseeker2006]

We really need people to come here BEFORE they buy the stone to save from this kind of disaster!

 

[CptRon]

I have not paid any money for this yet, nor will I. I think I might keep the setting and have him take back the stone. Please keep these comments coming. This really helps! Thanks to all! I will look into a diamond from an online vendor from here on out.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 4/23/2008 12:16:52 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
We really need people to come here BEFORE they buy the stone to save from this kind of disaster!

I know, but you know WHY they don''t? Because it''s a "family friend", and a friend wouldn''t rip you off, right? Honestly, it''s posts like this that just infuriate me. Some friend.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 4/23/2008 12:22:37 PM
Author: CptRon
I have not paid any money for this yet, nor will I. I think I might keep the setting and have him take back the stone. Please keep these comments coming. This really helps! Thanks to all! I will look into a diamond from an online vendor from here on out.

Cpt, I''m really sorry this happened, but I''m thrilled you haven''t paid for it yet. If you want any help, just holler, we''d love to help you have a happy ending to this.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/23/2008 12:22:37 PM
Author: CptRon
I have not paid any money for this yet, nor will I. I think I might keep the setting and have him take back the stone. Please keep these comments coming. This really helps! Thanks to all! I will look into a diamond from an online vendor from here on out.

Good. Personally I would take a look at the trusted PS vendors and use these numbers to help you find a well cut stone.

depth - 60 - 62% thereabouts, a little higher can be fine in some cases.
table - 54 - 57%
crown angle - 34 - 35 degrees
pavilion angle - 40.6 - 41 degrees
polish and symmetry preferably very good and above.

Please check with shallower ( 34 / 40.6) and steeper ( 35/ 41) for crown and pavilion angles, that further evaluation is given to the diamond by the use of Idealscope images and vendor input, to make sure that combo works well for that particular diamond.

Confine your search to GIA Excellent and AGS0 cut grade to make finding suitable diamonds easier. You can use the search by cut tool above to bring up likely stones.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/23/2008 12:24:17 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 4/23/2008 12:16:52 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
We really need people to come here BEFORE they buy the stone to save from this kind of disaster!

I know, but you know WHY they don''t? Because it''s a ''family friend'', and a friend wouldn''t rip you off, right? Honestly, it''s posts like this that just infuriate me. Some friend.

I have to agree. Whenever this happens, the cut quality of the diamonds often seem to hover around the lower end....

 

[Splinter]

Right, I have a plan...

Step 1: Spit into a freezer.
Step 2: Collect frozen spit.
Step 3: Find a family "friend".
Step 4: Profit!

 

[Diamond*Dana]

That is good, at least you have not lost anything here. Good luck finding the perfect stone...there are so many people here that can help you with that

 

[CptRon]

I will probably propose to her with this ring, since it''s going to happen in two days, then trade it out to the right diamond. I look forward to further help from PS members to select a GREAT diamond.

 

[Ellen]

Cpt, is there ANY way you could postpone the proposal? Putting myself in your girls shoes, I would be somewhat taken aback, and dissapointed to be proposed to, only to have my guy say, But this isn't a good diamond, I'm going to find you a better one. I just got the ring, and now I have to give it back.

If there's any way possible, I would get the ring right first, and then propose. Then she can bask in the glow, and immediately run off to show all her friends and family, which she will most assuredly want to do. And that won't be possible if you propose with this ring.

Just a thought.

 

[LaurenThePartier]

Date: 4/23/2008 1:26:20 PM
Author: CptRon
I will probably propose to her with this ring, since it''s going to happen in two days, then trade it out to the right diamond. I look forward to further help from PS members to select a GREAT diamond.

You have plans in place to propose already?

Do you think she might become emotionally attached to this diamond and setting? I only ask, because I know I would be.

Good luck finding a new diamond - the good folks here at PS will definitely help you out!

 

[Cleo]

CptRon - I''m really sorry the diamond you got is no good, as the others have already explained.

We would all love to help you find the perfect diamond for your future fiancee, so please do come back and let us help you.

x x x

 

[Angel7]

Date: 4/23/2008 1:34:21 PM
Author: Ellen
Cpt, is there ANY way you could postpone the proposal? Putting myself in your girls shoes, I would be somewhat taken aback, and dissapointed to be proposed to, only to have my guy say, But this isn''t a good diamond, I''m going to find you a better one. I just got the ring, and now I have to give it back.

If there''s any way possible, I would get the ring right first, and then propse. Then she can bask in the glow, and immediately run off to show all her friends and family, which she will most assuredly want to do. And that won''t be possible if you propose with this ring.

Just a thought.

I agree with Ellen. If you could postpone, I would. I can''t imagine wanting to show off my new ring and then telling everyone, "But we''re changing it." I would rather my bf got it right the first time...

If you don''t want to take the time to search online, could your family friend work on getting you a stone within the parameters that the PSers gave you?

 

[LAJennifer]

Please don''t propose with this ring.

 

[cara]

Date: 4/23/2008 1:26:20 PM
Author: CptRon
I will probably propose to her with this ring, since it''s going to happen in two days, then trade it out to the right diamond. I look forward to further help from PS members to select a GREAT diamond.

Yikes! Now you are going to use frozen spit diamond for the actual proposal? Please don''t - at least I wouldn''t be happy to have the ring I was proposed to with taken away immediately after to "fix" something you knew was wrong before proposing. Propose with a ring pop first please, or postpone it, or really quick right now order something better online. They deliver overnight and surely some dealer is willing to be quick about it!

If you just got this unsatisfactory ring, and "need" to propose in 2 days, why? Have you been procrastinating on ring shopping, is there a deadline, a proposal weekend planned (in which case you really have cut the ring acquisition close)? Hopefully your proposal will be accepted for your qualities and not your ring''s qualities, but I don''t know that proposing with a crummy ring is really the right compromise. I personally would prefer: a) postponed proposal until nice ring is ready b) proposal with no ring/ring that is more clearly a "placeholder" until the real thing ie. fake, non-diamond, etc.

Last, to minimize entanglement with family friend, I would return frozen spit diamond ASAP. Using it for the proposal indicates it had some value to you and might complicate things more than necessary.

 

[Cravin My Emerald cut]

I agree cara....if you plan on getting a new stone just put a CZ in the middle of it as a place holder. I know others have done that and your gf gets the best of both worlds....and earlier proposal and the fun of picking out the center stone. Don''t spend $5K on a badly cut stone....BUT if you decide to go that route be sure to discuss your plans with the jeweler and ensure he will let you return/upgrade and know all the terms involved.

 

[LAJennifer]

Call Whiteflash and have them overnight this stone to you:

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-737789.htm#

Or call Good Old Gold and get this one:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4088/

 

[CptRon]

Thank you. I may just do the CZ route. I had planned this weekend for a very long time. We took off several days from work to go to the beach house where we first started dating. This is a very special place to us and I wanted it to be there. I was hoping everything would just fall into place, but it hasn''t. I might want to make a quick decision on an online vendor today. Can anyone gove me any suggestions on a stone? I have a $5,000 (approximate) budget for the diamond. I want something preferably H color or better, VS@ or better, and a very good to excellent cut by GIA or AGS. Any help is greatly appreciated!!!

 

[Cleo]

I totally agree with Ellen - I think she would be upset to have to give the ring back after having it so soon - plus she will want to show it off, which she won''t really be able to if it doesn''t have her ''real'' diamond in.

My first choice would be to get a lovely diamond sent overnight, as Jennifer suggested.

If you can''t get the diamond set in time, you could always propose with just the diamond.

x x x