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Just an inlaw whinge

justginger

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I want to complain because to actually do/say anything about this IRL would be inappropriate.

DH's grandfather passed away last week and we had the memorial/funeral yesterday. Just by attending on a Thurs, it has essentially put me many hours behind in my studies. Annoying, but them's the breaks and that isn't the actual whinge.

The actual whinge is the fact that my DH, as the oldest of the boys (only his sister is older, and her family lives on the other coast), is CONSTANTLY taking care of his family, and does so with little to no notice from them. He is the one who will pay for the entire family's dinner when out for a special occasion. He's the one who organises the trips and tasks necessary to get multiple households set up for winter down here. He's the one who picks up, borrows, drops off, hands over, take time off work for every task imaginable, on the behalf of others. Any special occasions where we don't go out, Mother's Day, Christmas, anniversaries, etc - they are hosted here, at our home. I clean for 5 hours, he cooks for even longer, we foot the cost for the whole dinner (the one for tonight was about $200 in groceries), and it's just expected. His mother is the only person who ever remembers to thank us -- and that's perhaps every fifth meal?

On the other hand, one of his brothers is married, has a young child, and their family is a sponge. Due to their own choices, they're constantly broke and still accept money from my in-laws (who are likely desperately behind in saving for a retirement that should have already occurred). It's like because they have this kid, they can do no wrong. They'll stay, for free and contributing nothing to the household, for days upon days - my SIL has been at my in-laws' for the last week. She cooked ONE meal, and not only did my MIL gush on FB about how lovely it was, so did DH's brother (still living at home at 31). Umm...she does it ONCE to great effusive pomp, my DH does the same thing over and over and over with hardly a mention.

My favorite touch was how they had a slideshow at the memorial yesterday, and besides a couple of very large family photos, my DH was practically absent. His grandfather lived next door to the in-laws, so he was always a guest at our many hosted dinners. But they didn't include a single photo of him and DH, as they did with (I think) every other grandchild. And me? Not a SINGLE photo, group or otherwise. Our child-bearing BIL/SIL? There were 4 (5?) photos from just their wedding! DH asked his youngest brother about it and was told they couldn't find any photos that were just of him and the two of us. Well...three of the photos from the BIL/SIL wedding were group family shots (I wasn't there, the date was chosen last minute and I had already booked tickets to visit my parents in the States). We took PLENTY of those. So why weren't any of them included?

So I'm whinging. I get so tired of watching DH bust his hump to ensure the family is together and running smoothly. I understand this is what happens at some point - one of the children becomes the new central figure of the family as their parents age. But somehow we get the work now, but it feels like until we push out a kid, we don't 'deserve' any of the credit or appreciation. Instead, the brother who does nothing and procreated gets all the glory. And if I'm being honest, the photo thing hurt my feelings. It shouldn't have, and it's silly, but I've been a part of that family, and pulled my weight, for almost 7 years now - and while everyone else was carefully represented, multiple times, I was glaringly absent. Even DH's older sister raised it to me, so she noticed it too. :blackeye:
 
I can sympathize....sorry you had to go through this.
 
Sorry!
Families often suck hard enough to reverse gravity.

Thanks, I learned a new word, whinge.
Is the g silent?
 
Justginger:

I understand - as I run the "parents fund" which started well a decade or so ago but its really only me know for the financial stuff. I do have a sister who helps with the medical side. But where are the other 6 kids.... My Dad's funeral was a real eye opener in all that I did to make it happen... and...

Know this though: It is my strongest belief that we are all placed on this earth to help other people and to do good by a higher power; and in the end we will all be judged on what we did and did not do. We may use different names for that higher power - but; in essence it is the same.

Also, know that you and your DH by giving their hearts into something are actually likely living happier lives as a result - even though it stings at times.

Seek the higher joys in life - and leave the misery to those who seek it; and do not be ashamed that you have achieve joy and others have not. Its a personal journey.

I wish you and your DH the best,

Perry
 
kenny|1381456157|3535627 said:
Sorry!
Families often suck hard enough to reverse gravity.

Thanks, I learned a new word, whinge.
Is the g silent?

I knew you'd understand the family sucking thing, Kenny. :))

The 'g' is pronounced. It rhymes with 'tinge.'
 
perry|1381456163|3535628 said:
Justginger:

I understand - as I run the "parents fund" which started well a decade or so ago but its really only me know for the financial stuff. I do have a sister who helps with the medical side. But where are the other 6 kids.... My Dad's funeral was a real eye opener in all that I did to make it happen... and...

Know this though: It is my strongest belief that we are all placed on this earth to help other people and to do good by a higher power; and in the end we will all be judged on what we did and did not do. We may use different names for that higher power - but; in essence it is the same.

Also, know that you and your DH by giving their hearts into something are actually likely living happier lives as a result - even though it stings at times.

Seek the higher joys in life - and leave the misery to those who seek it; and do not be ashamed that you have achieve joy and others have not. Its a personal journey.

I wish you and your DH the best,

Perry

Thank you, perry. I have let this bother me more than it should. I'll spend the day cleaning for dinner tonight and working on getting past it. Cleaning can be very cathartic.
 
My father has been in the same role as your husband (caretaker of all), for many years. My mother has let it drive her nuts at times. You will have to choose how you react very carefully. I sincerely wish you strength and patience. It's not an easy thing to be the spouse of the one who is the caretaker of the rest of the family. I hope you have plenty of support yourself, and I'm glad you felt comfortable coming to PS to have a whinge. Hugs.
 
The picture thing would have bothered me, too, as I could absolutely imagine that happening to me! Amazing they could be so inconsiderate!!!

My husband is somewhat like yours as well. I don't have an answer to it, but you are wise to vent here!
 
Certainly, as Perry said, you and your husband are doing a great deal for the family. I hope that even if your other members are not vocal in their gratitude, that they are able to recognize how much you're doing for the family. I can certainly think of times in my life that I haven't been vocal in giving thanks, but, I feel thankful nonetheless. Your post is actually the one that makes me think of my own family, and makes me want to reach out to them so they know how thankful I am for them and for what they do for me.

Is the financial cost placing a burden on you and DH?

Can you ask the other siblings to host?

I suggest that you ask other family members to rotate hosting events, and perhaps in the future express great gratitude towards them for hosting. Perhaps they seem ungrateful because they don't know how hard it is to host an event or how expensive. Once they see that side of things, perhaps they'll understand what it takes. I usually find that people can be amenable to change; of course, this is not always the case, but it doesn't hurt to ask. When framing my request I do what I can to keep the message positive, and to write or speak in a way that invites a conversation. Additionally, maybe you and your DH can take a couple steps to streamline the other things (things that perhaps can't be changed as easily as asking someone else to host) that he does for the whole family. For example, if he's winter proofing his siblings homes, maybe next year he can simply send out an email with the list of things that need to be done in order to winter proof the house along with his tips and suggestions. I hope that I'm not overstepping any boundaries by giving you unsolicited advice; I know that's probably one of the most annoying things to hear when all you're looking for the place to vent.

Sending you lots of good vibes and stress relieving dust!
 
I am so sorry Justginger. That was totally thoughtless and selfish of them. I would be hurt too. It seems like there is always one sibling that takes the brunt. My husband is like yours too. I have a girlfriend who is one of 8 kids and she hosts every party and get together and plans birthday parties every month. She alone takes care of her parents. One of 8!!! I tell you this so you will know you are NOT alone. Who the heck knows what makes some people so selfish. They should know better. Shame on them!
 
Big Hugs Ginger! I think you are fabulous! And I got no advise, but I think you are handleing it better then I could.
 
I wonder whether pulling back a bit on the assistance might result in others assuming a bit more of the responsibilities.

Don't forget to organise a few prominent photos of just yourself and DH around for when they all come over for dins.
 
kenny|1381456157|3535627 said:
Sorry!
Families often suck hard enough to reverse gravity.

Thanks, I learned a new word, whinge.
Is the g silent?

I don't think its an Aussie word is it? Best pronounced in an occa Aussie accent like wind-J with an upward staccato note on the J sound...

Sorry Ginger, families do indeed suck. My husbands family have said and done all sorts of very colourful things over the years I have lost count, we have had a foreign second or third cousin who I didn't even know and his pal (two 17 year old backpackers) come and live with us for months on end and expect me to pick up their s@#$ and wait on them like I was their Mum....and pay for everything.... All of my husband's family refused to have them but expected us to look after them.... The expectation of free air tickets paid for by us by other family members and a heap of other stuff to numerous to mention.

My MIL openly tells everyone her youngest son is her favourite one to pretty well everyone including my husband (he is the oldest), so I think you just learn to live with their dysfunction, unfortunately that is frequently what being part of a family is....
 
IndyLady|1381459547|3535662 said:
Certainly, as Perry said, you and your husband are doing a great deal for the family. I hope that even if your other members are not vocal in their gratitude, that they are able to recognize how much you're doing for the family. I can certainly think of times in my life that I haven't been vocal in giving thanks, but, I feel thankful nonetheless. Your post is actually the one that makes me think of my own family, and makes me want to reach out to them so they know how thankful I am for them and for what they do for me.

Is the financial cost placing a burden on you and DH?

Can you ask the other siblings to host?

I suggest that you ask other family members to rotate hosting events, and perhaps in the future express great gratitude towards them for hosting. Perhaps they seem ungrateful because they don't know how hard it is to host an event or how expensive. Once they see that side of things, perhaps they'll understand what it takes. I usually find that people can be amenable to change; of course, this is not always the case, but it doesn't hurt to ask. When framing my request I do what I can to keep the message positive, and to write or speak in a way that invites a conversation. Additionally, maybe you and your DH can take a couple steps to streamline the other things (things that perhaps can't be changed as easily as asking someone else to host) that he does for the whole family. For example, if he's winter proofing his siblings homes, maybe next year he can simply send out an email with the list of things that need to be done in order to winter proof the house along with his tips and suggestions. I hope that I'm not overstepping any boundaries by giving you unsolicited advice; I know that's probably one of the most annoying things to hear when all you're looking for the place to vent.

Sending you lots of good vibes and stress relieving dust!

I certainly DO appreciate help, Indy! I just think this family situation is...unable to be changed.

There's my precious SIL who is on the other coast, and would bend over backwards to help if she could. Any and every event she and her family do come to, she helps and thanks and offers to help pay (despite having 4 children and a very tight budget herself). I adore her, and she is often a good support for me. We have helped her family financially in the past, and have made other offers to do so when we are afraid things are getting too tight -- I don't begrudge her a single cent because she works with what she has, never expects anything, and is always a kind receiver when a gift does occur.

There's DH and I who are financially secure - and probably rather extravagant in comparison to the rest of the family, by their perspective. Hosting these dinners does not put us under a financial burden, it's just an annoyance that it has become the expected, unthankable task.

There's BIL who has the baby. They are extremely religious, women don't work, and he is the sole income earner for the family. They live, as far as I can tell, hand to mouth and do not hesitate to take money from anyone and everyone, especially my inlaws. They live over an hour away, so are unable to physically or financially play host.

And there's BIL who still lives at home. Enough said.

Because the siblings don't pay their way, if we don't pay for them it would be my inlaws who cover the bills. I'd genuinely like to see them retire at some point, considering they're well into their 60s, so we don't want their money, you know? It's just a pointless wish that there would be a bit more acknowledgement that my DH has really stepped up and does far more than the others. My MIL fawns over her grandchildren SO much, and has been known to ask about when we're having children -- it just feels like that's all she really wants. As soon as we have a kid, then we'll be 'worthy' children to her and she'll finally be pleased by all of our work.

Thanks to everyone for the kind words and support. This situation only bothers me about once a year, the funeral slideshow was just my tipping point. I felt like I had been erased from the family, despite the fact that I do indeed contribute very much, as does DH. I've been cleaning, I found a wonderful present for my oldest niece (who traveled over with SIL for the funeral) by accident at the shops, and I am now looking forward to dinner. Despite getting teed off from time to time, I do love the family. :))
 
My condolences on losing your granddad-in-law.

Family BS is grating and somewhat inescapable. I'm appalled they didn't include you in the slideshow. :nono:
Internet hugs to you. You guys sound like a wonderful asset to the family, a heart of its strength. :))
 
justginger|1381465915|3535709 said:
There's DH and I who are financially secure - and probably rather extravagant in comparison to the rest of the family, by their perspective. Hosting these dinners does not put us under a financial burden, it's just an annoyance that it has become the expected, unthankable task.
Hey JG! I hope you're feeling better with the venting.
Unfortunately the feelings that you are experiencing ARE a side-effect of families, it seems! :wacko:

I know just how you feel ... when I lost my baby in December last year I had to go straight into the annual family-hosting christmas stuff - a month of family hosting along with my mothering christmas-creation duties- and tbh it was just a little bit dreadful.
 
Ginger

Sending you and your DH huge hugs at such a difficult time.

I can relate to a lot of what you are saying. That could have described my experience of both sides of our families. I got really fed up with it all and I remembered something Kenny said on here. He said people only treat you a certain way because you let them. So, I stopped letting them. Very subtly of course. Nothing drastic. It did work, even although it admittedly made my DH (initially) very uncomfortable.

We didn't stop all our usual financial support and hosting dinners etc. Instead, I made sure that we only did the things that pleased US!!! That means the parents still get everything they had before. There is nothing we wouldn't do for them. The other in laws/relatives? Only what we felt was appropriate. As for dinners, celebrations, I just made sure we had something else on if we didn't want to get lumbered with it, AGAIN!!! Or suggested we go to a restaurant instead. Nothing fancy, but pointed out that we all deserved a break. I also would take deposits in advance and then would merrily calculate out the bill on my iphone at the table. It caused a few of these :eek: ;( , but they soon got the message. I am not here to bank roll you!!! :devil:

Soon, they got the message. I have to say that it made them actually appreciate what we did do for them.

Obviously it is much easier now we are about 12,000 miles away!!! Now they really miss us. :tongue:
 
There's a lot going on here, but it sounds like missing from the pics and being overlooked are what is most hurtful to you. Do you think MIL would listen if you told her how important it is to you to be part of their family? That would open the door to having a discussion about what that means. Often people assume that the self sufficient ones already know their value so they don't need any recognition or praise. I wonder if that is what's happening here because the other son is so needy. I'm not saying it's right, it just may help to put their behavior in perspective. It's hard working through family dynamics so I wish you luck. On the plus side, seeing how caring your DH is to his ungrateful family is heartwarming.
 
kgizo|1381499379|3535807 said:
There's a lot going on here, but it sounds like missing from the pics and being overlooked are what is most hurtful to you. Do you think MIL would listen if you told her how important it is to you to be part of their family? That would open the door to having a discussion about what that means. Often people assume that the self sufficient ones already know their value so they don't need any recognition or praise. I wonder if that is what's happening here because the other son is so needy. I'm not saying it's right, it just may help to put their behavior in perspective. It's hard working through family dynamics so I wish you luck. On the plus side, seeing how caring your DH is to his ungrateful family is heartwarming.

Yes - a very big yes. My DH is extremely generous and despite a few grumbles from time to time, he always does the helpful, kindhearted, giving thing. :love: :appl:

Dinner was tonight and it was good. I've managed to work through the feelings and take MIL at her word that our missing photos were a simple oversight (I didn't bring up the issue, DH's sister had a word with her about it). She thought she had passed on 5 folders of compiled photos from various family members to BIL to put in the slideshow, but only 4 were actually added. I have no doubt that planning your father's funeral is a messy, emotional, disastrous time so it would certainly be more than reasonable to expect something like that could happen.

While DH and I still bore the brunt of the work in regards to hosting, EVERYONE thanked us tonight. For the first time...ever? I think my SIL has either point blank said something to them all, as she's noticing this for the first time (since she's not usually at these events) or just hearing her offer to help and thank us profusely was enough to prod them all in the direction of following suit. Whatever the reason, it was really nice to hear a few 'thank you's, and made me feel a bit like a twit for posting this. :lol:

Each time I see SIL, I am reminded of how much I adore her. It is such a shame she lives so far away, and without even the option of moving back. :blackeye: The good news is that we already have airfare booked to see her family in Feb though, so it won't be too long between visits this time. :))
 
Glad to hear the dinner went well and was appreciated! Sounds like your DH and his sister are the bright spots in that family!
 
Ah yes. Your cardinal sin is that you have given them any grand children. Therefore you are not elevated to a higher status of mother goddess within the family. Plus your husband has taken on the carer role and everyone else is now very used to taking him for granted. It is better to give than receive, but people tend to forget to appreciate the giver after a while. Funny, if you are fiscally responsible, you become the spongee while the spongers all merrily squeeze out more kids then they can afford and expect everyone else to pay for them.

You can

a) sprog a few ankle biters yourself and claim lifelong destitution

b) cut off the golden goose egg laying franchise

c) grin and bear it (btw can you spot me a fifty?)

:cheeky:

Nobody flame me, I'm firmly planted in the spongee category, never to be released!!
 
I'm so glad to here that things are going well, and that so many expressed their thanks. :appl: :appl: :appl:
 
I'm so sorry that you guys are being used like this.

You know, you and your DH might have to simply say NO! If you don't want to be used, you have to put your foot down or people WILL keep taking.
 
justginger|1381465915|3535709 said:
There's DH and I who are financially secure - and probably rather extravagant in comparison to the rest of the family, by their perspective. Hosting these dinners does not put us under a financial burden, it's just an annoyance that it has become the expected, unthankable task.)

I don't think, even if you have plenty of funds, that you should be financing/hosting everything.

You know, we have a family who will stay with us and mooch and I have NO idea what their finances are, but you know, I've found they do not even care what ours is...they simply took as much as they could from us and others too (even to the point of "forgetting" to bring any money!!!). I finally complained to a couple of individuals, mostly because they also dumped two more kids on me (!) - showing up, empty handed, not tending to the kids until they asked for food and telling *me* I can just cook their kids Top Ramen :knockout: , and I am under the impression my comments reached back to that family b/c now we're getting the silent treatment. Rather than having them consider that they were over-stepping boundaries and adjusting their behavior, they quit talking to us. Hopefully that doesn't happen to you, but basically, my point is it's a quick test to see if people are already aware of their actions and are trying to use people or really care about the relationship and are willing to change to make the visits more pleasant and less stressful for the host/hostess.
 
I had 2 vacations this year and I had to deal with my sister-in-law at both of them. Not only does it suck because she is dramatic, moody, selfish, immature (at 40-something years-old), but also because she has no money, so the rest of the family has to foot the bill for everything.
 
momhappy|1381762225|3537485 said:
I had 2 vacations this year and I had to deal with my sister-in-law at both of them. Not only does it suck because she is dramatic, moody, selfish, immature (at 40-something years-old), but also because she has no money, so the rest of the family has to foot the bill for everything.

Where were the family vacations? We're they get togethers or actual destination vacations? I ask only b/c I would be a bit stressful for a family to decide that everyone vacation someplace (say that requires airfare) if one person is unemployed or unable to pay for it all. I guess each family is different. Our "problem" individual is one who announces their family is flying in and then expects to be taken in by us and fed & entertained the entire time. It's all about us juggling our schedules for that person.
 
I would just like to sympathize with you. While I don't have that exact situation, my mother is like your husband in her family. Her siblings are dead beats in their 50s that mooch off of their elderly parents (my grandparents), who are not really financially well off and my 70+ year old grandfather still works. My mother used to host some of the family gatherings, but at some point she had enough and decided to stop offering to host. She wanted to do it for the sake of taking the brunt of the work off of my grandparents, who now host every single gathering, but she quit eventually and her reasoning mainly had to do with the fact that it was unreciprocated, but also her sibling's kids behave like farm animals, no one thanked us or offered to help, no one would leave the house at a decent hour after the gathering, and it's really just not worth doing all that work and spending all that money to host total ungrateful slobs whom we don't even like and would not even associate with if it were not for us having the unfortunate thing in common of being related. Now my family has slowly been declining more and more holiday invitations over the years and for the first time this year I will not even be attending Christmas. We do however have our own gathering the weekend after Christmas and invite our grandparents, but not the rest of the family. Oh well, I guess we're just big snobs. Maybe someday your husband will come to the same conclusion as my mom on his own. Sorry for the loss of his grandfather.

*edited for atrocious spelling
 
MC|1381770224|3537551 said:
momhappy|1381762225|3537485 said:
I had 2 vacations this year and I had to deal with my sister-in-law at both of them. Not only does it suck because she is dramatic, moody, selfish, immature (at 40-something years-old), but also because she has no money, so the rest of the family has to foot the bill for everything.

Where were the family vacations? We're they get togethers or actual destination vacations? I ask only b/c I would be a bit stressful for a family to decide that everyone vacation someplace (say that requires airfare) if one person is unemployed or unable to pay for it all. I guess each family is different. Our "problem" individual is one who announces their family is flying in and then expects to be taken in by us and fed & entertained the entire time. It's all about us juggling our schedules for that person.

MIL foots the bill for most of it, but we usually her meal bills are split between the rest of us.
 
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