Jon & Kate + 8 update...

[luvthemstrawberries]

Date: 5/14/2009 12:54:30 PM
Author: musey

Date: 5/14/2009 12:42:00 PM
Author: luvthemstrawberries

Date: 5/14/2009 11:55:07 AM
Author: musey
I really agree with everything said here - especially the highlighted parts. No need for me to add

Wow musey, from someone as eloquent and well-thought-out as you, I''m flattered! I never thought I''d actually save anyone else some typing.

Well, I''m flattered right back! That''s very nice of you to say.

 

[luvthemstrawberries]

Date: 5/14/2009 1:09:09 PM
Author: Ara Ann
However this happened, for whatever reasons, it is pretty sad, especially for their kids.

That said, I don''t see how Kate can just announce that she has a big mouth and is a bit of a control freak and then just expects everyone to sit back and accept that kind of behavior. It''s like she says, ''this is how I am, so you''ll have to deal with it'' - she basically says this herself in the ''US'' interview. Now, how is that being a good role model, mother, or a good wife? If kids show that kind of behavior, don''t parents try ti teach them how to treat others with respect? How can she instill that in her kids if she can''t control her own temper? The thing that is saddest to me, is that she will blame Jon for all of this...if he cheated, which of course is NOT acceptable, she will let him go down in flames, take all the blame, but just excuse her own bad behavior and chalk it up to ''that''s just how I am'' - sorry, but no one gets to do act that way all the time and not pay a price at some point. There comes a time when we all have to face our own bad behavior...but it doesn''t seem to me that Kate will recognize her part in this.


I still say they need Dr. Phil!

I bet he''d set them both straight.

I really don''t think she just expects people to sit back and accept her behavior. This is something that we don''t see the benefits of when she restrains herself, because there''s nothing to show that she actually did so. They''ve mentioned before on their show about how they were never shouters before the kids came. But once there was that much noise, they were forced to become shouters to be heard at all. Shouting, in turn, creates stress - regardless of what it''s about. I think she just takes the stress of that out on Jon. I''m not defending that, but that''s what gets portrayed, and it''s the only part we are shown. The episode (it''s one of the earlier ones) where they address shouting is actually interesting. They both admit to it and how they don''t like to do it in front of their kids or national TV. But they realize the cameras are always there and they can''t help that. And they used to try to not shout in front of the kids, but they realized if they decided to talk about it later, it''d never happen. So the episode actually has footage of them getting into it one time out in the garage, and they just step to the side for a minute and have it out. They said they always make sure afterwards that the kids know that they love each other.

The episode also shows her talking down to him a bunch, and then a rare glimpse of footage is actually shown where she apologizes to him and they have a nice little hug and support moment. They talked about how they are each other''s biggest supporters, because no one else understands how they feel in the midst of all that - and I totally get that. I think a lot of people are really just not considering what they themselves would act like if they were placed in that situation. I, for one, know I''d probably be just as stressed. And like I said before, it''s just unfortunate that someone else edits what part of that we get to see.

Ha!! I wouldn''t dismiss Dr. Phil getting involved. I didn''t think about that, but he does seem to get a lot of the high profile people in on his show. I''d actually be interested to hear what he would tell both of them.

 

[Ara Ann]

Date: 5/14/2009 1:25:37 PM
Author: luvthemstrawberries

Date: 5/14/2009 1:09:09 PM

Author: Ara Ann

However this happened, for whatever reasons, it is pretty sad, especially for their kids.


That said, I don''t see how Kate can just announce that she has a big mouth and is a bit of a control freak and then just expects everyone to sit back and accept that kind of behavior. It''s like she says, ''this is how I am, so you''ll have to deal with it'' - she basically says this herself in the ''US'' interview. Now, how is that being a good role model, mother, or a good wife? If kids show that kind of behavior, don''t parents try ti teach them how to treat others with respect? How can she instill that in her kids if she can''t control her own temper? The thing that is saddest to me, is that she will blame Jon for all of this...if he cheated, which of course is NOT acceptable, she will let him go down in flames, take all the blame, but just excuse her own bad behavior and chalk it up to ''that''s just how I am'' - sorry, but no one gets to do act that way all the time and not pay a price at some point. There comes a time when we all have to face our own bad behavior...but it doesn''t seem to me that Kate will recognize her part in this.



I still say they need Dr. Phil!

I bet he''d set them both straight.

I really don''t think she just expects people to sit back and accept her behavior. This is something that we don''t see the benefits of when she restrains herself, because there''s nothing to show that she actually did so. They''ve mentioned before on their show about how they were never shouters before the kids came. But once there was that much noise, they were forced to become shouters to be heard at all. Shouting, in turn, creates stress - regardless of what it''s about. I think she just takes the stress of that out on Jon. I''m not defending that, but that''s what gets portrayed, and it''s the only part we are shown. The episode (it''s one of the earlier ones) where they address shouting is actually interesting. They both admit to it and how they don''t like to do it in front of their kids or national TV. But they realize the cameras are always there and they can''t help that. And they used to try to not shout in front of the kids, but they realized if they decided to talk about it later, it''d never happen. So the episode actually has footage of them getting into it one time out in the garage, and they just step to the side for a minute and have it out. They said they always make sure afterwards that the kids know that they love each other.


The episode also shows her talking down to him a bunch, and then a rare glimpse of footage is actually shown where she apologizes to him and they have a nice little hug and support moment. They talked about how they are each other''s biggest supporters, because no one else understands how they feel in the midst of all that - and I totally get that. I think a lot of people are really just not considering what they themselves would act like if they were placed in that situation. I, for one, know I''d probably be just as stressed. And like I said before, it''s just unfortunate that someone else edits what part of that we get to see.


Ha!! I wouldn''t dismiss Dr. Phil getting involved. I didn''t think about that, but he does seem to get a lot of the high profile people in on his show. I''d actually be interested to hear what he would tell both of them.

Strawberries, I understand your POV and I agree to an extent...however, my point is if Kate has seen herself on the show and we know she has, and if she kept seeing how she treated her husband over and over again and DIDN''T like it, then she would have started treating him better by now.

I''m sorry, but it is more than her personality at play here, she is downright disrespectful of Jon, over and over again. Making apologies for a misunderstanding or an argument are well and fine, but it''s her personality that needs to be worked on...and how she treats her husband. She is stressed, yes, I get that too, but so is he...he needs to be built up by his wife, not torn down and belittled constantly. Again, if she didn''t like what she saw, she would change it.

 

[Sha]

Wow...I'm shocked by this new development. I thought she just said that she didn't believe any of the affair rumours, and that the family would be dealing with it privately....and now this? Wonder what made her change her mind? Did more information come out to make her believe that the affair happened?

Hmmm....this is complicated. I really feel sorry that they're caught in the midst of all this. If they do divorce - how will they manage to take care of the children? One of them can't do it on their own - unless they gets LOTS of help. And the children love their father - it would tear them apart if the family broke up, I think. And they also JUST had a vow-renewal in Hawaii. Kate said she thought it was important for them to renew their vows so that the children could know they'd be "together forever"... And now this....

Poor kids. Poor family.

Thanks for the additional insight from the book.....luvthemstrawberries.

 

[princesss]

I hope they are able to go to counseling and get through this mess. There is a lot of work to be done on both sides, and I hope they really work on the relationship and themselves before they decide to give up. Marriages have come back from worse, and I hope they give it their best shot before making any more life-altering decisions.

 

[luvthemstrawberries]

Date: 5/14/2009 1:32:27 PM
Author: Ara Ann

Strawberries, I understand your POV and I agree to an extent...however, my point is if Kate has seen herself on the show and we know she has, and if she kept seeing how she treated her husband over and over again and DIDN'T like it, then she would have started treating him better by now.

I'm sorry, but it is more than her personality at play here, she is downright disrespectful of Jon, over and over again. Making apologies for a misunderstanding or an argument are well and fine, but it's her personality that needs to be worked on...and how she treats her husband. She is stressed, yes, I get that too, but so is he...he needs to be built up by his wife, not torn down and belittled constantly. Again, if she didn't like what she saw, she would change it.

Very true - all of what you said. I definitely understand, especially when you put it that way.

Haha maybe Dr. Phil should get in on it. I can understand them not wanting to do something like that, because you have to provide all the details on national tv. However, there's so many people coming at Jon and Kate now from all angles and telling their supposed stories, that I think if I were them, I'd almost be tempted to do a show like that just to set the whole record straight myself.

 

[february2003bride]

They've done Dr. Phil before so maybe they should go back to him? You Tube link to Gosselin's on Dr. Phil show

 

[Haven]

I''ve only seen the show once or twice, but I think it''s very sad that this family is going through an obviously difficult time right now and they are doing so in the public eye. I''ve seen a lot of Kate-hate on the web, which is just bizarre to me (how can you hate someone you don''t know? Don''t you have anything better to do?) and regardless of her personality, I feel for her.

I''ve never raised one child, let alone eight. I imagine that kind of stress and responsibility would test even the strongest mother.

I hope that they find themselves in a happy place on the flip side of all this.

 

[february2003bride]

I know Jodi stepped away from last years controversy and has been silent for months now. I wonder why she suddenly decided to step back in? Money? Or to get back at Kate? LINK

 

[cara]

Date: 5/14/2009 5:02:45 PM
Author: february2003bride
I know Jodi stepped away from last years controversy and has been silent for months now. I wonder why she suddenly decided to step back in? Money? Or to get back at Kate? LINK

That is one sad piece of tape.

I had something else to say, but really. To drag someone else's marriage through the mud like that? I don't care if its money motivating you against your better judgement, or an honest desire to make a plea for saving the marriage, going on camera to trash the marriage and behavior of a couple that you supposedly care about and want to get back together... That is one sad piece of tape.

 

[february2003bride]

Date: 5/14/2009 5:12:16 PM
Author: cara

Date: 5/14/2009 5:02:45 PM
Author: february2003bride
I know Jodi stepped away from last years controversy and has been silent for months now. I wonder why she suddenly decided to step back in? Money? Or to get back at Kate? LINK

That is one sad piece of tape.

I had something else to say, but really. To drag someone else''s marriage through the mud like that? I don''t care if its money motivating you against your better judgement, or an honest desire to make a plea for saving the marriage, going on camera to trash the marriage and behavior of a couple that you supposedly care about and want to get back together... That is one sad piece of tape.

I just read online why Jodi and Kevin are coming out. Kate burned her bridges with her family long ago while Jon kept a friendship. Jon is totally muzzled and will NOT be saying anything anytime soon. So Jon is using Keving and Jodi to get his side of the story out, even though he can''t.

 

[cara]

Date: 5/14/2009 5:33:15 PM
Author: february2003bride

Date: 5/14/2009 5:12:16 PM

Author: cara

Date: 5/14/2009 5:02:45 PM

Author: february2003bride

I know Jodi stepped away from last years controversy and has been silent for months now. I wonder why she suddenly decided to step back in? Money? Or to get back at Kate? LINK

That is one sad piece of tape.


I had something else to say, but really. To drag someone else's marriage through the mud like that? I don't care if its money motivating you against your better judgement, or an honest desire to make a plea for saving the marriage, going on camera to trash the marriage and behavior of a couple that you supposedly care about and want to get back together... That is one sad piece of tape.

I just read online why Jodi and Kevin are coming out. Kate burned her bridges with her family long ago while Jon kept a friendship. Jon is totally muzzled and will NOT be saying anything anytime soon. So Jon is using Keving and Jodi to get his side of the story out, even though he can't.

And if Jon is using them to speak for him, that is only more pathetic. Sorry, he chooses not to say anything not he 'can't' say anything. I really don't see how allegations of Kate's infidelity really help his case at all - it just makes it all look more tawdry and marriage-for-the-cameras. Kate didn't take those pictures of him coming out of the bar, and he is the one in the marriage and he is the one responsible for cleaning up this mess as amicably and decently as he can. Having your wife's brother and his wife (who used to generously volunteer her time caring for your kids) go on TV and accuse your wife of infidelity does not help.

 

[february2003bride]

Date: 5/14/2009 5:50:10 PM
Author: cara

Date: 5/14/2009 5:33:15 PM
Author: february2003bride

Date: 5/14/2009 5:12:16 PM

Author: cara

Date: 5/14/2009 5:02:45 PM

Author: february2003bride

I know Jodi stepped away from last years controversy and has been silent for months now. I wonder why she suddenly decided to step back in? Money? Or to get back at Kate? LINK

That is one sad piece of tape.


I had something else to say, but really. To drag someone else''s marriage through the mud like that? I don''t care if its money motivating you against your better judgement, or an honest desire to make a plea for saving the marriage, going on camera to trash the marriage and behavior of a couple that you supposedly care about and want to get back together... That is one sad piece of tape.

I just read online why Jodi and Kevin are coming out. Kate burned her bridges with her family long ago while Jon kept a friendship. Jon is totally muzzled and will NOT be saying anything anytime soon. So Jon is using Keving and Jodi to get his side of the story out, even though he can''t.

And if Jon is using them to speak for him, that is only more pathetic. Sorry, he chooses not to say anything not he ''can''t'' say anything. I really don''t see how allegations of Kate''s infidelity really help his case at all - it just makes it all look more tawdry and marriage-for-the-cameras. Kate didn''t take those pictures of him coming out of the bar, and he is the one in the marriage and he is the one responsible for cleaning up this mess as amicably and decently as he can. Having your wife''s brother and his wife (who used to generously volunteer her time caring for your kids) go on TV and accuse your wife of infidelity does not help.

Supposidly TLC has him under a tight leash- he legally can not tell his side of the store- yet.

 

[cara]

Feb- He cannot speak legally but Kate can??? Doesn''t matter. He shouldn''t be airing allegations of Kate''s infidelity either himself or through a proxy. I personally don''t think it helps him in the court of public opinion, it only helps tear Kate down and make the whole thing more tabloid-worthy. And if he has reached the point where he wants to tear Kate down, he should really hire a good lawyer and concentrate on custody/alimony issues rather than destroying his wife''s rep. Just my opinion.

 

[purrfectpear]

Kate destroyed Kate''s rep and no amount of "spin" will ever play with her as victim to anyone with a brain to think, eyes to see, and ears to hear.

Whether or not she had an affair she was still a witch on wheels in that marriage. He wanted out of the TV contract some time ago. She was the one who insisted on staying in the limelight and cashing in.

 

[HollyS]

The only answer to their ''problems'' in their relationship is to turn off the cameras, and go back to real life lived in real time, without an editor to make you look your doofiest or bitchiest in front of the world.

Exposing oneself for the sake of pseudo-celebrity is ridiculous, repugnant, and frankly, a little stupid. Only the Duggars have managed to maintain their equilibrium, and even they inspire ''hate'' publicity. It''s a no win. Unless, of course, the money is everything. Root of all evil. . .

 

[cara]

Date: 5/14/2009 7:42:01 PM
Author: HollyS
The only answer to their ''problems'' in their relationship is to turn off the cameras, and go back to real life lived in real time, without an editor to make you look your doofiest or bitchiest in front of the world.

Exposing oneself for the sake of pseudo-celebrity is ridiculous, repugnant, and frankly, a little stupid. Only the Duggars have managed to maintain their equilibrium, and even they inspire ''hate'' publicity. It''s a no win. Unless, of course, the money is everything. Root of all evil. . .

I don''t think all their problems will be answered by turning off the cameras and going about their daily lives. There is a fundamental dynamic going on between Kate and Jon that will continue, with or without the TV show, unless they address it and make efforts to change how they relate to one another. The elements were all there when they started the show, and whether it was the stress of the cameras or the stress of the kids, it has escalated over the years and they need to figure out new methods of interacting and communicating. That is, if they can manage to stand each other and have a desire to remain married and work on improving things.

 

[luvthemstrawberries]

Date: 5/14/2009 7:42:01 PM
Author: HollyS
The only answer to their ''problems'' in their relationship is to turn off the cameras, and go back to real life lived in real time, without an editor to make you look your doofiest or bitchiest in front of the world.

Exposing oneself for the sake of pseudo-celebrity is ridiculous, repugnant, and frankly, a little stupid. Only the Duggars have managed to maintain their equilibrium, and even they inspire ''hate'' publicity. It''s a no win. Unless, of course, the money is everything. Root of all evil. . .

Isn''t it amazing how someone with no ill intent whatsoever can still inspire people to hate? It amazes me. People should have better things to do than find "reasons" to hate people they don''t even know, just for living their lives how they choose. It''s sad.

And I do agree that taking the cameras away may be the best (at least the best FIRST) step towards healing things.

 

[trillionaire]

LOL, best comment that I heard about J+K, "No, I don''t feel bad for them. They got paid millions of dollars to be married and to raise their kids. That''s all they had to do, so no, I don''t feel bad for them, just the kids."

Soooo true. They are very blessed, they seem to have overlooked that. Money does that to people...

 

[luckystar112]

Anyone see this on perez?

What a

!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjohryb6xAU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eperezhilton%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded

 

[princesss]

What is it?

 

[dragonfly411]

lucky the link won''t work?

 

[luckystar112]

Oops

Try this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjohryb6xAU

 

[Ara Ann]

I watched the clip, but frankly, I''ve seen worse ''Kate'' behavior on the show. I can understand why she didn''t give one child some water, in front of the other seven...they would have all had a meltdown, wanting water, just before the interview started. However, she could have maybe waited to have water for herself, until the kids could also have some. But then again, she was most likely the one who would be talking during the interview and perhaps needed something to drink first....I guess I am not terribly upset by this clip...again, I think it shows ''mild'' Kate behavior compared to other things she''s done.

BTW, not watching the show anymore. I was never a huge fan before, I would watch some of it occasionally, if something else was coming on TLC that I was waiting to watch, but now, I turn it OFF if the show is on. I can''t stand it anymore.

 

[phoenixgirl]

I''ve never been a fan of the show, but DH liked to watch it, especially when the sextuplets were littler and so cute. We always thought Kate was annoying/bossy, but now she''s become so . . . vapid and self-indulgent. It''s a circus now, not a show about a family struggling to deal with an unusual situation. I saw an old episode recently where Jon and Kate were touching each other playfully, kissing, and joking together. It''s so painful to see that gone. Was it obvious on the show? I haven''t watched enough episodes, and it probably happened gradually. Anyway, I just hope they can make all the variables in their lives -- the show and whether or not to stay married -- as good as possible for the kids. So sad. And to have your life fall apart on national tv! Ugh.

I did watch the clip. She should have passed the water bottle along -- who cares if one of the kids has a water bottle on air? -- but I don''t think it was the worst thing I''ve seen.

 

[HpiRally]

I used to watch the show with my gf and I repeatedly said that jon hates his life. My gf agreed and said well..Kate needs to show him some respect and not be such an evil woman to the man she "loves."

His actions are not correct....but she is evil and is not a victim here.

joe

 

[ckrickett]

Date: 6/12/2009 5:03:12 PM
Author: Ara Ann
I watched the clip, but frankly, I''ve seen worse ''Kate'' behavior on the show. I can understand why she didn''t give one child some water, in front of the other seven...they would have all had a meltdown, wanting water, just before the interview started. However, she could have maybe waited to have water for herself, until the kids could also have some. But then again, she was most likely the one who would be talking during the interview and perhaps needed something to drink first....I guess I am not terribly upset by this clip...again, I think it shows ''mild'' Kate behavior compared to other things she''s done.

BTW, not watching the show anymore. I was never a huge fan before, I would watch some of it occasionally, if something else was coming on TLC that I was waiting to watch, but now, I turn it OFF if the show is on. I can''t stand it anymore.

Not condoning Kate''s behaviour either but Mady is also the child that likes to throw tantrums for no reason (I''ve watched alot of episodes).
Still Kate should have NOT gotten the water for herself and said we will all get something to drink afterwards.

and also to put my 2 cents in, I think they both are to blame for everything. I can''t understand the stress they must be under with 8 kids, and TV cameras and no privacy. But at some point you need to step back and deicde whats important. Kate decided Fame and Money were important, and Jon decided (speculation) that running away from his responabilities was. I think there intentions at first with the show were sincere, footage of there family and money to help with the kids, but then fame and greed worked its way in there and really messed things up.

It''s really sad, those poor kids.

 

[elrohwen]

For what it''s worth, I''m often down in that part of PA for work and know people who know Kate, etc. According to some sources, Jon absolutely wasn''t doing anything inappropriate with this girl at the bars where his picture was taken. Some of the people have said that they definitely didn''t have an affair at all. Just some perspective that people who live in their town and hear all the gossip don''t think he necessarily cheated. So I''m keeping an open mind. I do think he made some bad decisions that have been hard on his family, but Kate''s not so great either.

I do feel bad that Kate gets blasted for traveling and being away from her family. I mean, if Jon were the one out of the house all the time while she stayed home with the kids, no one would have a problem with it. But because she''s a woman, people say "How can she stay away from her kids?" No matter how much I don''t like her, I think it''s unfair that people don''t think she should be allowed to travel and do speaking engagements if that''s what she likes to do. I don''t think she''s neglecting her kids in the process.

 

[Tacori E-ring]

Give the girl some water! Poor things. I can see where giving one would cause a breakdown so DON''T drink any yourself. Kids ALWAYS want what you have. Anyways...I was reading a current article and it said Kate''s birthday was on March 28 which was NOT mother''s day. I am curious to see where it said her birthday was May 10. Anyone know?

 

[february2003bride]

Date: 6/13/2009 10:32:24 PM
Author: Tacori E-ring
Give the girl some water! Poor things. I can see where giving one would cause a breakdown so DON''T drink any yourself. Kids ALWAYS want what you have. Anyways...I was reading a current article and it said Kate''s birthday was on March 28 which was NOT mother''s day. I am curious to see where it said her birthday was May 10. Anyone know?

Kate''s birthday is MArch 28, the sextuplets birthday is May 10 and today is Jon and Kate''s 10th anniversary (spent apart).