Jedi spinel

[Pomelo]

@landscape just wanted to say thank you sharing your specimens and knowledge with us. I’m fairly new to the CS forum (been lurking over on diamonds for years!) and have found your threads and posts incredibly helpful and informative.

I have found it difficult to “cross over” into the CS word precisely because it’s so hard to know what to look for - colour, glow etc etc, but your threads are helping me amass knowledge little by little

 

[landscape]

@landscape just wanted to say thank you sharing your specimens and knowledge with us. I’m fairly new to the CS forum (been lurking over on diamonds for years!) and have found your threads and posts incredibly helpful and informative.

I have found it difficult to “cross over” into the CS word precisely because it’s so hard to know what to look for - colour, glow etc etc, but your threads are helping me amass knowledge little by little

I also get a lot of info here and glad to helpful

 

[Nick_G]

Haha, yes, what is pink sapphire and pinkish red ruby is quite subjective and a matter of debate I think.

Thanks for the pics, no it doesn't have to be a colour that is very common, it's more that I've often heard people say that rubies and spinels can be very similar in appearance but haven't seen enough examples side by side where they really resemble each other closely.

Also rubies and spinels to me seem to have different 'strengths' - rubies more glowy, stronger flourescence under the sun, more intense red?, whereas spinels more sparkly, more interesting ambiguous colours, can perform really well in low or dark light etc., though again, haven't seen enough similar colour rubies and spinels to really compare like for like.

For some time now, I've been having a debate inside my head as to whether I prefer rubies over spinels or vice versa. Despite the pointless and unnecessary nature of this (particularly as nobody is asking me this question and I'm just asking myself), it's something I can't make up my mind over, and I'm partly interested in seeing similar colour and quality stones side by side for that reason (most people don't have collections like yours to be able to do that, including many vendors).

Actually this has had me wondering for a while whether the most neon fluorescent 'Jedi' spinels are actually superior in colour saturation and fluorescence than any ruby. I'm just going on pictures online. I've not been able to compare lots of different stones like that in person.

So which has the best neon intensity?

PS some absolutely stunning stones featured in this thread from @landscape

 

[landscape]

Actually this has had me wondering for a while whether the most neon fluorescent 'Jedi' spinels are actually superior in colour saturation and fluorescence than any ruby. I'm just going on pictures online. I've not been able to compare lots of different stones like that in person.

So which has the best neon intensity?

PS some absolutely stunning stones featured in this thread from @landscape

The color, tone and saturation of the reflected light from the jedi spinel pavilion is almost the same as the color of the Jedi spinel body . The body saturation of other gemstones is generally darker than the reflected light (including ruby and common red spinel).
Therefore, a jedi spinel with superior saturation colour reflected light usually also has a body color of superior saturation,
so the overall effect of jedi spinel is also superior in colour saturation (we usually observe the color of faceted gemstones = pavilion surface reflected light + body color)




other gemstones reflected light with superior in colour saturation usually has a darker body color (superior in colour saturation reflected light + dark body color),



or if the body color is superior in colour saturation, but usually the reflected light color is very light




So yes the most neon fluorescent 'Jedi' spinels are superior in colour saturation and fluorescence than any ruby

 

[Nick_G]

The color, tone and saturation of the reflected light from the jedi spinel pavilion is almost the same as the color of the Jedi spinel body . The body saturation of other gemstones is generally darker than the reflected light (including ruby and common red spinel).
Therefore, a jedi spinel with superior saturation colour reflected light usually also has a body color of superior saturation,
so the overall effect of jedi spinel is also superior in colour saturation (we usually observe the color of faceted gemstones = pavilion surface reflected light + body color)




other gemstones reflected light with superior in colour saturation usually has a darker body color (superior in colour saturation reflected light + dark body color),



or if the body color is superior in colour saturation, but usually the reflected light color is very light




So yes the most neon fluorescent 'Jedi' spinels are superior in colour saturation and fluorescence than any ruby

Wow. Thanks for that! This confirms my suspicions.

It seems to be similar with the top quality vivid neon blue cobalt spinels from Vietnam - they look more intense than any sapphire. I do wonder if in future top spinels are going to increase in value to the point that they overtake the corundum gems.

 

[landscape]

Wow. Thanks for that! This confirms my suspicions.

It seems to be similar with the top quality vivid neon blue cobalt spinels from Vietnam - they look more intense than any sapphire. I do wonder if in future top spinels are going to increase in value to the point that they overtake the corundum gems.

Yes neon blue cobalt spinels from Vietnam have the same characteristics.


Jedi spinel is already more expensive than regular-quality rubies, but still far from the top-quality pigeon blood rubies.
I think the top pigeon blood ruby is unsurpassed by spinel, because the number of people who like ruby exceeds the number of people who like spinel. Although the number of spinel is less than ruby, the demand for ruby is far greater than that of spinel.

Unless there is a big capital operation to make spinel as widely known as ruby, if the demand for spinel and ruby is the same, the price of jedi spinel will exceed the price of pigeon blood ruby of the same quality

 

[landscape]

A newly arrived 2.33ct heart-shaped Burmese red spinel,Guild lab graded Jedi spinel, this is the most common Jedi spinel on the market, but it is still quite different from the real Jedi spinel

 

[Mrs_Strizzle]

A newly arrived 2.33ct heart-shaped Burmese red spinel,Guild lab graded Jedi spinel, this is the most common Jedi spinel on the market, but it is still quite different from the real Jedi spinel

Ok @landscape it up. Are you a Sultan, or something?

 

[landscape]

Ok @landscape it up. Are you a Sultan, or something?

just a gem collector

 

[VividRed]

just a gem collector

With the pockets of a sultan

 

[JewelledEscalators]

Actually this has had me wondering for a while whether the most neon fluorescent 'Jedi' spinels are actually superior in colour saturation and fluorescence than any ruby. I'm just going on pictures online. I've not been able to compare lots of different stones like that in person.

So which has the best neon intensity?

PS some absolutely stunning stones featured in this thread from @landscape

I wonder though if red spinels have as strong a red flourescence as some rubies in the sun, and if red spinels can match rubies in colour when it comes to bluish red (as in purplish red) rubies. Most red spinels seem to tend towards more orangeish red (though nothing is wrong with that) rather than purplish red.

 

[Nick_G]

I wonder though if red spinels have as strong a red flourescence as some rubies in the sun, and if red spinels can match rubies in colour when it comes to bluish red (as in purplish red) rubies. Most red spinels seem to tend towards more orangeish red (though nothing is wrong with that) rather than purplish red.

It would appear that the top 'Jedi' spinels from Myanmar are indeed as fluorescent as the best rubies, maybe even more so. Spinel also seems to occur in purer reds too without the blue or yellow modifiers. Being singly refractive helps in that regard too as you see the same colour in all directions.

Some amazing stones are featured on this video from Madly Gems, especially the one that first appears just over 9 seconds in:

What an amazing colour and clarity! That together with the large size suggests Mahenge origin.

 

[JewelledEscalators]

It would appear that the top 'Jedi' spinels from Myanmar are indeed as fluorescent as the best rubies, maybe even more so. Spinel also seems to occur in purer reds too without the blue or yellow modifiers. Being singly refractive helps in that regard too as you see the same colour in all directions.

I'd still like to see a comparision of similar colour red rubies and spinels.

 

[airplay355]

Amazing that you’re able to source these. I especially love the one from post #55. Please keep posting more, they’re beautiful!

You don’t sell these do you? You’re just collecting for personal interests?

 

[Double E]

I'd still like to see a comparision of similar colour red rubies and spinels.

Also with that extra vivid hot pink sapphire

 

[landscape]

Also with that extra vivid hot pink sapphire

I'd still like to see a comparision of similar colour red rubies and spinels.

These are the stones received in the last two months. Among them are Vietnamese pigeon blood rubies and Jedi spinels. These spinels and rubies have been posted before. This time, the photo uses a very unfriendly sidelight for faceted gemstones, so you can see what makes jedi spinel special. Pigeon blood ruby and Jedi spinel can also show the difference in tone



These three are included in the picture: 1、pigeon blood red spinel, 2、GUILD jedi spinel, 3、GUILD jedi spinel real jedi spinel

 

[landscape]

Amazing that you’re able to source these. I especially love the one from post #55. Please keep posting more, they’re beautiful!

You don’t sell these do you? You’re just collecting for personal interests?

Yes just personal interests not for sell

 

[bright&shiny]

These are the stones received in the last two months. Among them are Vietnamese pigeon blood rubies and Jedi spinels. These spinels and rubies have been posted before. This time, the photo uses a very unfriendly sidelight for faceted gemstones, so you can see what makes jedi spinel special. Pigeon blood ruby and Jedi spinel can also show the difference in tone

Wow - that’s an amazing group of gems and display of that true Jedi characteristic! Thank you so much for sharing this.

 

[maru8888777]

These are the stones received in the last two months. Among them are Vietnamese pigeon blood rubies and Jedi spinels. These spinels and rubies have been posted before. This time, the photo uses a very unfriendly sidelight for faceted gemstones, so you can see what makes jedi spinel special. Pigeon blood ruby and Jedi spinel can also show the difference in tone

Wow, these are incredible! The spinels just glow. What is the blue in the upper right corner (sapphire or spinel)?

 

[landscape]

Wow, these are incredible! The spinels just glow. What is the blue in the upper right corner (sapphire or spinel)?

2.1ct Sodalite from burma

 

[landscape]

Wow - that’s an amazing group of gems and display of that true Jedi characteristic! Thank you so much for sharing this.

Glad to help，Thanks

 

[maru8888777]

2.1ct Sodalite from burma

what a color!

 

[icy_jade]

These are the stones received in the last two months.

Omg

 

[landscape]

what a color!

Thanks

 

[JewelledEscalators]

These are the stones received in the last two months. Among them are Vietnamese pigeon blood rubies and Jedi spinels. These spinels and rubies have been posted before. This time, the photo uses a very unfriendly sidelight for faceted gemstones, so you can see what makes jedi spinel special. Pigeon blood ruby and Jedi spinel can also show the difference in tone



These three are included in the picture: 1、pigeon blood red spinel, 2、GUILD jedi spinel, 3、GUILD jedi spinel real jedi spinel

Wow. Thanks!

Which ones are rubies in the top picture?

 

[landscape]

Omg

Every quarter, I organize the stones I receive, label them and put them in the cabinet. Today, I am going to label the stones I have received in the past two months, and I took photos by the way.

 

[landscape]

Wow. Thanks!

Which ones are rubies in the top picture?

I marked the names of gemstones that are not easy to identify on the picture

 

[JewelledEscalators]

I marked the names of gemstones that are not easy to identify on the picture

Thanks that's really helpful!

 

[Gloria27]

@landscape, your collection is amazing, never seen such wonders all in one place.

I have a question related to the Spinel terminology, what would a stone like the one in my avatar be called? It's a Burmese dark red spinel with great colour when the light hits, I mean I have photos where it looks really good, not dark but in normal light it's garnet dark.
I've only seen this type of stone called noble red spinel, altought those specimens were a bit brown, mine is a dark warm red.

 

[landscape]

@landscape, your collection is amazing, never seen such wonders all in one place.

I have a question related to the Spinel terminology, what would a stone like the one in my avatar be called? It's a Burmese dark red spinel with great colour when the light hits, I mean I have photos where it looks really good, not dark but in normal light it's garnet dark.
I've only seen this type of stone called noble red spinel, altought those specimens were a bit brown, mine is a dark warm red.

the spinel in your avatar we call it pigeon blood red spinel, which is also a range of colors, the darker ones we call black pigeon blood, and some people call it noble red spinel. The reflected light of this type of spinel has a very rich red, but the body color is very dark. It shows the color of the reflected light when the light hits, and the body color when no light hits, which is why it has great colour when the light hits but dark if no light hits.
In addition, this type of spinel has almost no fluorescence under UV light. Therefore, this type of spinel may have a relatively high iron content.
But there is no official trade name for the color of spinel, although some appraisal agencies give Jedi spinel an official business name, but not all appraisal agencies recognize it. As for others such as pigeon blood red, noble red, etc., don't pay too much attention to these names, for colored gemstones, rich, bright colors are always the best, no matter what it is called.
The images below can demonstrate the effect of this type of spinel.The gemstone circled in blue is the same one pigeon blood red spinel as these three separate shots, showing the different color effects under light hits and no light hits