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Vacation is planned, now I just need to find the right stone and setting! :twirl:

I've been staying up until all hours of the night trying to absorb as much information as I possibly can, so I thank you all for supplying me with enough to read that I am now thoroughly exhausted and need your input!

I'm looking to spend around 6-6.5k for the diamond. I visited a local shop and the 6.6mm-ish size I think would be perfect for her, so carat isn't massively important as long as it's around that dimension. I've read up on fluorescence and I like what it has to offer, so I've been leaning in that direction. I'm hoping this will also help me maximize my budget by going down in color to H or I. I found a candidate earlier today that seems to be a great price and would leave me plenty of room in my budget (which is a good thing after the vacation!).

Here is a link to the diamond: http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-5044712-1.10-carat-Round-diamond-I-color-VS1-clarity.aspx

It is a 1.1ct I VS1 with medium blue fluorescence. It scores a 1.4 on the HCA calc. Since I'm still wet behind the ears with this stuff I'm not able to fully utilize the ASET and H&A images provided in the link, so I was hoping for some help there. Any input is appreciated! Thanks in advance!
 
So based on the specs, the ASET and H&A images, and the 1.4 HCA is it fairly safe to assume that this would definitely not end up a dud? I'll be calling B2C tomorrow to chat, but I'd like to have a few more opinions before doing so.
 
Yes, pretty safe to assume not a dud!
 
GrandGeek|1401243964|3681386 said:
I'm looking to spend around 6-6.5k for the diamond. I visited a local shop and the 6.6mm-ish size I think would be perfect for her, so carat isn't massively important as long as it's around that dimension. I've read up on fluorescence and I like what it has to offer, so I've been leaning in that direction. I'm hoping this will also help me maximize my budget by going down in color to H or I. I found a candidate earlier today that seems to be a great price and would leave me plenty of room in my budget (which is a good thing after the vacation!)
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Looks like you've done your homework, OP -- keep us posted on your findings! :wavey:
 
GrandGeek|1401243964|3681386 said:
Vacation is planned, now I just need to find the right stone and setting! :twirl:

I've been staying up until all hours of the night trying to absorb as much information as I possibly can, so I thank you all for supplying me with enough to read that I am now thoroughly exhausted and need your input!

I'm looking to spend around 6-6.5k for the diamond. I visited a local shop and the 6.6mm-ish size I think would be perfect for her, so carat isn't massively important as long as it's around that dimension. I've read up on fluorescence and I like what it has to offer, so I've been leaning in that direction. I'm hoping this will also help me maximize my budget by going down in color to H or I. I found a candidate earlier today that seems to be a great price and would leave me plenty of room in my budget (which is a good thing after the vacation!).

Here is a link to the diamond: http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-5044712-1.10-carat-Round-diamond-I-color-VS1-clarity.aspx

It is a 1.1ct I VS1 with medium blue fluorescence. It scores a 1.4 on the HCA calc. Since I'm still wet behind the ears with this stuff I'm not able to fully utilize the ASET and H&A images provided in the link, so I was hoping for some help there. Any input is appreciated! Thanks in advance!
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Hi Grandgeek and welcome!

Fear not, the area behind your ears is so dry, that it's positively arid....You picked a potential corker there! The images are computer generated so are a simulation of the h&a patterning, if having a ' true' h&a diamond is important to you then it would be best to get actual images to properly judge the overall precision of the patterning, B2C might be able to arrange this if this is important to you. Otherwise if having perfect patterning ( optical symmetry) isn't a big deal, you are content to have what could be an excellently performing diamond with nice optical symmetry as a bonus, this could be a super contender. Whether it's a ' true' h&a we can't tell without actual hearts and arrows imaging for this diamond, but it still could be a cracking stone.
 
Hey Lorelei! Thanks for the insight!

Was there some fine print I missed that said the h&a image was computer generated? I thought I would have caught that. It was listed as one of their "Diamond Blueprint" diamonds that they describe as:

"B2C Jewels is proud to offer "Diamond Blueprint" on select diamonds. This additional service provides some or all of the following: Actual Image, Aset view, Ideal Scope, Hearts & Arrows Image, Actual Proportions Profile. We hope this service will help you in making a more informed decision with your diamond purchase."
 
The ASET and hearts/arrows image can be generated using ray-tracing technology (i.e. computer generated) - which is still alot better than nothing and usually pretty accurate, but it's an image of the diamond under the actual scope.
 
GrandGeek|1401292790|3681716 said:
Hey Lorelei! Thanks for the insight!

Was there some fine print I missed that said the h&a image was computer generated? I thought I would have caught that. It was listed as one of their "Diamond Blueprint" diamonds that they describe as:

"B2C Jewels is proud to offer "Diamond Blueprint" on select diamonds. This additional service provides some or all of the following: Actual Image, Aset view, Ideal Scope, Hearts & Arrows Image, Actual Proportions Profile. We hope this service will help you in making a more informed decision with your diamond purchase."
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You are most welcome dear Geek!

This came up earlier in another thread, to refer to John Pollard's excellent explanation, the h&a images are indeed from a computer generated scan, the ASET is typical of the AGS performance generated software images that appear on their grading reports, but as B2C rightfully state, the actual image of the diamond is a photographic one. B2C are doing a great job supplying the images along with the diamonds, it's good to see! You can get various types of image with ASET/Idealscope, both actual and computer generated, I personally prefer actual images but the computer generated images are still relevant and valuable.
 
B2C has informed me that this diamond is with one of their partners in Asia/India. Is that any sort of red flag?
 
GrandGeek|1401301042|3681838 said:
B2C has informed me that this diamond is with one of their partners in Asia/India. Is that any sort of red flag?
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None whatsoever, B2C have an excellent rep, diamonds are located all over the world so this shouldn't be an issue. It's potentially a beautiful stone.
 
My local jeweler came back to me with this information in regards to the diamond...

The 1.1 VS1 Medium states "Faint Yellowish Brown" in the siteholder notes, separate from the Cert.
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What do I take from this? Who is able to access these notes? B2C should be sending me the result of their inspection tonight.
 
Huh. Ask them to interpret that for you.
 
Gypsy|1401321254|3682090 said:
Huh. Ask them to interpret that for you.
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I have done so and here is the reply:

This diamond is eye clean and pretty, however has a very slight brown colour tinge. The presence of Fluorescence is not effecting the diamond, as it is not milky or hazy at all
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They word it like its pretty negative, but I would have thought with a comment like that I would have noticed something in the actual image of the diamond.

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Thoughts?
 
The face up image is beautiful. My concern, however, is the brown tinge. That should seriously knock the price down, and it looks like it did in this case.

How brown is brown? The variation in I's, J's, and K's is huge, and you really have to see it to know. For example, this I has a terrible "brown tinge": http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.53-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-213607

This I has a medium brown tinge: http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.56-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-230861

This I has a fair brown tinge: http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.50-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-213601

This is a standard yellow I tinge: http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.51-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-313412

Without seeing the diamond with your own eyes, you can't know how acceptable it is. You could potentially buy it if the return policy if good (e.g. they pay for return shipping and no restocking fee).
 
If you have time and work within the return policy it might work for you to see it for yourself.

But I would investigate that J from ERD if I were you.
 
Some people believe brown tinted stones look darker than yellow tinted stones of the same grade. Some people prefer brown because they think it looks whiter (and when I say that, I think they mean it is not the dreaded yellow that we are all conditioned by marketing to avoid.)

In this thread, everyone either prefers brown over yellow, or is indifferent: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/k-color-with-faint-brown-what-do-you-think.175943/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/k-color-with-faint-brown-what-do-you-think.175943/[/URL]
 
GrandGeek|1401320509|3682085 said:
My local jeweler came back to me with this information in regards to the diamond...

The 1.1 VS1 Medium states "Faint Yellowish Brown" in the siteholder notes, separate from the Cert.
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What do I take from this? Who is able to access these notes? B2C should be sending me the result of their inspection tonight.
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I would see what B2C say about this, that comment might not be cause for concern at all, if it is or you prefer to find something else, no problem at all but I would see what B2C say.
 
Lorelei|1401363256|3682323 said:
GrandGeek|1401320509|3682085 said:
My local jeweler came back to me with this information in regards to the diamond...

The 1.1 VS1 Medium states "Faint Yellowish Brown" in the siteholder notes, separate from the Cert.
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What do I take from this? Who is able to access these notes? B2C should be sending me the result of their inspection tonight.
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I would see what B2C say about this, that comment might not be cause for concern at all, if it is or you prefer to find something else, no problem at all but I would see what B2C say.
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I did receive their comments and posted them above. Here they are again.

This diamond is eye clean and pretty, however has a very slight brown colour tinge. The presence of Fluorescence is not effecting the diamond, as it is not milky or hazy at all
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Since B2C has a free return policy I could get it and see how it looks in person, but that may put me up against my timeline.
 
My apologies, I am in a different time zone and assumed tonight was this evening.

If you have time it might be definitely worth viewing the stone in person but if you have time constraints, see if B2C can suggest another stone that might fit the bill.
 
What is your budget--looks like max $6,000 for the diamond? are you open to other vendors? we can find you find something.
 
teobdl|1401383197|3682505 said:
What is your budget--looks like max $6,000 for the diamond? are you open to other vendors? we can find you find something.
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I am open to any vendor! It was just that B2C had this diamond that caught my eye and the price was great.

I also currently have a request in for images of this diamond from BGD's Blue collection (images have been added) - http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.068-j-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104071675006

It faces up nice and big for its size, 1.4 HCA, and they pulled it for me and insured me that its eye clean as close as 2 inches.

Of course I am open to suggestions. My only requirement is that it is eye clean and 6.55mm or greater as that is what fits her hand the best. Budget for stone only is absolutely no more than $6200-6500.
 
Lovely stone Teo and that's very kind of you!
 
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