It''s here!....BUT !!!!

[angeline]

Hi everyone,

Well my 2ct I SI2 ACA turned up today... and it''s absolutely beautiful! Totally eye-clean even with a loupe. BUT, and here''s the big But so to speak... after having the 1.63 E for a while I can really notice the color of the I. I know everyone will say it''s personal, but I thought I would post the stone and also another one that I was deciding between and see if people think I''m nuts if I change AGAIN!!

2.03ct I SI2

Pro''s: AGS0, ACA, really tight Sarin with small variances
Con''s: Color

2.15 F SI2

Pro''s: Color, New Line type cut, .17mm bigger (don''t know if that will be visible though)
Cons: Not ACA, but an ES, the Sarin is not as good, the crown is a bit shallow(don''t really know what effect that will have visually), polish only very good, not excellent but I don''t think that''s too much of a worry. $1000 more expensive

From the viewpoint of my eyes, I can''t see any ''yellow'' face-up. It just looks warmer. I have an 8mm CZ that I used for comparison in color to my E (it looked the same as the E) and now to the I. I like the more blue-ish white of the higher color as opposed to the more steely white of the I.

I''ll post the links and relevant information for you. I would appreciate any opinions.

I SI2
F SI2

First the I SI2: (HCA 1.1, xxxvg)
. Report: AGS
. Shape: A Cut Above H&A
. Carat: 2.023
. Depth %: 60.6
. Table %: 56.7
. Crown Angle: 34.8
. Crown %: 15.1
. Pavilion Angle: 40.7
. Pavilion %: 43
. Girdle: Thin to Medium Faceted
. Measurements: 8.17-8.21X4.96
. Light Performance: 0
. Polish: Ideal
. Symmetry: Ideal
. Culet: Pointed
. Fluorescence: Negligible

Then the F SI2: (HCA 0.8 xxxx)
. Report: AGS
. Shape: Round Ideal Cut
. Carat: 2.103
. Depth %: 60.3
. Table %: 56
. Crown Angle: 34.5
. Crown %: 15.2
. Pavilion Angle: 40.7
. Pavilion %: 42.8
. Girdle: Thin to Medium Faceted
. Measurements: 8.34-8.37X5.04
. Polish: Very Good
. Symmetry: Excellent
. Culet: Pointed
. Fluorescence: Negligible

I appreciate anyones comments! Help!

Thanks, a

 

[kcoursolle]

Hate to say it, but I think if the color bothers you now...it might always bother you.

The F-SI2 you posted appears well-cut. It would be nice to see the IS and ask WF if it was eye-clean though. 1k doesn''t seem like a big jump at all in price at that size. I''m not sure if there would be a noticeable difference between an ACA and an ES, how do other people feel about this?

Another option would be keeping your I SI2 for now and then upgrading it to an F later on.

 

[Upside Down Man]

An eye-clean SI2, even with the loupe? I''m still new at this, but wouldn''t an "even-with-the-loupe-still-eye-clean" stone by definition be graded higher than SI2?

 

[Dee*Jay]

Do you notice the "color" because you''re comparing the stone side by side to the CZ, or do you notice it also when you look at the stone by itself? (I.e., *Notice it* to a degree that it bothers you.)

If you notice it by itself and it bothers you, well, it''s probably always gonna bother you. But if you''re comparing the stone to the CZ, try putting the CZ away and checking out the diamond in a lot of different lighting.

 

[angeline]

Thanks for your replies. I *think* I noticed the difference in color as soon as I opened the package. Anda again, it''s not like a color difference as such, more just a different look, more steely-white than icy-white.

kcoursolle - that''s the big question to me. Will I notice a difference between the ACa and the ES? hmmmm.....

UpsideDownMan - the inclusions are all white, no black ones. And I''ve got 43 year old eyes! so eye-clean to me...maybe not to the grader!

Dee*Jay - good advice. I have put the cz away and will check out the stone again on t''s own.

I just wish I could go to Whiteflash and see everything at once! Actually by the time you add up all the return shipping I''ve done, I probably could have got a cheap plane ticket!

cheers, a

 

[lumpkin]

I don''t like the inclusions of the F. There''s a cloud around 1:00 - 2:00 and some kind of bubbles or crystals in the center. I would prefer the I color diamond if those were my only choices. If you could get one as clean as the I in an F color, especially for $1,000 difference, I would prefer the F. I have a feeling those inclusions are partly why there''s not much price difference, though.

You will have to compromise somewhere if you want to stay in that price range. It will either have to be color, clarity or size (given if you don''t want to compromise on cut). I would want a balance. If I could get a 1.85-1.95 (way big enough for me) in an F, totally eye clean and ideal cut, that''s where I would compromise, personally.

I can see tint in my H, especially compared to a CZ. Does it bother me? NO! I think an H/I can be set in yellow or white metals very well. However, I didn''t want to go any smaller, so that''s the balance of comfort in my price range.

 

[FireGoddess]

Go with the E if the I bothers you. I could see color in an H that I was looking at after having my D...and it bothered me. Detectable warmth. It''s hard once you''re ruined by having a D or E.

 

[canuk-gal]

Date: 10/25/2006 5:21:08 PM
Author: FireGoddess
Go with the E if the I bothers you. I could see color in an H that I was looking at after having my D...and it bothered me. Detectable warmth. It''s hard once you''re ruined by having a D or E.

HI:

In my case it was an F--my RB I wore for 20 years before my anniversary ring. Never thought it would be an issue or that it would even cross my mind, but I can see body color in my H radiant and it does bug me. Altho I won''t be exchanging the new one, I can say with confidence the next diamond I buy will be a D or E or F!

Don''t let it bother you, change it for the E!

cheers--Sharon

 

[Clarygrace]

I agree with Firegodess! Once you have a colorless stone, it''s really hard to go down in the color scale.

Guess we''re spoiled! I compare my D radiant to my G RB and can''t wear the two on the same day...it bugs the heck out of me. I love them both for different reasons, but can''t beat the icy D.

If you are partial, then perhaps upgrade in color and sacrifice a bit in carat weight to get a better stone that you will be happy with.

Ciao and good luck!

 

[Mara]

haha the F looks like it's better cut to me than the I! just purely from specs perspective. the fact that it's ES not ACA doesn't bother me, i have owned 3 ES's and 3 ACA's and they look the same to me basically since my 'human' eyes can't differentiate as well as i'm sure particular expert eyes can.

it's not surprising that the CZ looks different from the I...CZ's are D color in terms of diamond, they are colorless basically. So of course you will see a visual difference between a D and an I...that is like 6 color grades.

if you don't like the I, then try the F as long as it's eye clean. you shouldn't keep something unless you absolutely adore it.

oh and man am i glad i didn't start out with a D or anything like that, i'd be ruined for life with upgrades!! heee.

 

[sunkist]

Hi Angel! Congratulations on getting your new stone! I say wear the new I stone around for a couple days. Give youself a chance to fall in love. And put your other stone that you''re comparing it away. Did you fall in love with your husband right away?? Sometimes, it''s love at first sight, sometimes it''s gradual! I say give it a chance if you love the size and everything else about it.

Honestly, my first meeting with my K stone was a little disappointing. I took it out of the box in the car and the lighting there made it look tinted yellow. But as soon as I got it home and took it around to different lighting conditions it performed amazingly in each one of them and I fell in LOVE!

Good luck and have fun playing with your new rock!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

angeline, I wouldn''t keep it unless you LOVE it! There is something between F and I, as well! If it happens that neither of these is "the one", then I''d honestly wait until they get what you really want.

 

[FireGoddess]

Date: 10/25/2006 5:50:57 PM
Author: Mara
oh and man am i glad i didn''t start out with a D or anything like that, i''d be ruined for life with upgrades!! heee.

You''re not kidding! I called in the D thinking it was a G. I was looking for an F or G. Darn D. Ruined me forever. Shoot.

 

[angeline]

Hello everyone, THANK YOU for all your thoughts! I forgot to say that WF have said the F is eye-clean from 10 inches. My last stone was specified like that and I couldn''t see anything. One small benefit of getting older! In fact the F was listed as eye-clean whereas the I wasn''t. Except when I spoke to Brian he said the opposite of that.

lumpkin - I would love it if I could get a 1.85-1.95 in F SI1. I just can''t see one turning up in the near future.

FG, canuk-gal, clarygrace, I feel almost like I am acting a bit spoilt in wanting to change again for a higher color. I absolutely don''t think the I is yellow or anything, it''s beautiful, it just looks different to what I''ve been looking at with my previous E. I''m glad I"m not the only one then that might feel that way.

Mara - I''m really excited that you think the F is a great cut and that ES can be as beautiful as the ACA!!! That really helps me a lot, as you''ve owned both.

Sunkist - I am going to keep the I for a couple of days and try it out around and about. I''ve put it away for a coule of hours now and I''ll have a fresh look soon.

DS - there was a G that I was also looking at with Brian but some other person is now the lucky owner!!!

Well, I guess I''ll just give it a little time. I feel deep down though that I''m not going to be happy unless I at least look at the F. If it was eye-clean (to me) then I think I would be really happy. We''ll see

!!

a

 

[aljdewey]

I wouldn''t worry about the inclusions in the F. If it''s eyeclean, that''s really all that matters (to me, anyway).

If you don''t love the I, I''d swap it for the F. Both are superb stones, and it''s just a matter of preference.

 

[angeline]

Well I think I won''t be happy unless I at least look at the F. Eye-clean is all that matters to me too aljdewey.

Thanks again for everyone''s help. I''ll keep you posted. WF has been incredibly patient with me. I really thought this was the one.... * sigh*

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[diamondseeker2006]

angeline...truly, it is sooo hard to know what we really want when we can''t compare multiple stones at the same time. I had the same problem. I ordered two stones and returned them before I sent for the final two and chose one of those. I needed to see a few to decide on color and size. I have an H that scores a G on the colorimeter, and it looks very white to me, but psychologically, I would love to have the same stone in an F! I''ll never settle for a stone that is less well cut than the one I have, but if I ever upgrade, it''ll be to a higher color, not size. Good luck and let us know what happens!

 

[angeline]

Thanks DS. I know! I really wish I could just see all these TOGETHER to compare. I''m getting there, but slowly. It''s hard with all the shipping back and forwards and I feel so bad to keep chopping and changing with WF. The B&M''s around here just don''t have the selection and I can''t ask them to get them in when I know I''m not going to buy from them.

Well hopefully the F is the one! I will keep you all posted!

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