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It Looks As If Donald Trump, Jr. Did Some Meddling!

From "A Conspiracy of Dunces" in "The New York Times".

Link...https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/...ight-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region

"Here is a good rule of thumb for dealing with Donald Trump: Everyone who gives him the benefit of the doubt eventually regrets it.

This was true of clients and contractors and creditors throughout his business career. It was true of the sycophants and opportunists before whom he dangled cabinet appointments during the campaign and then, oh, never mind. It has been true of his cabinet members and spokesmen, whose attempts to defend and explain their boss’s conduct are gleefully undercut by the boss himself. And it should be true — for the sake of their souls, I sincerely hope it’s true — of the Republican leaders whose reputations for probity and principle he has stomped all over since winning their party’s nomination.

And now it’s true of me.

The benefit of the doubt I extended to Trump was limited, but on a rather important subject: I thought that direct collusion between his inner circle and Russian officialdom during the 2016 campaign was relatively unlikely and the odds of ever finding proof of such a conspiracy vanishingly low. A lot of weirdness around Trump and Russia, I argued, had a more normal explanation — he had made business deals with Russians, he still harbors a 1980s-era vision of superpower cooperation, and as a foreign-policy neophyte he clutched the idea of détente like a security blanket even as the Russians separately made moves to help him win.

You can read my argument in full here; it’s a mere six weeks old. It’s also no longer operative, because we know now that Donald Trump’s son, his son-in-law and his campaign manager all took a meeting in which it was explicitly promised that damaging information on Hillary Clinton would be supplied as 'part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump'.”

AGBF
 
Months ago, Mike Pence said that "of course" there was no contact with Russian officials during the campaign. Yesterday, Mike Pence's lawyer was asked three times if he met with any Russian nationals. Question dodged each time:
https://twitter.com/axios/status/885469956116279296

WTF is going on? How many were involved? I thought Pence was supposed to be their shielded golden boy.
 
:think: But Jr. said he didn't tell his Dad about the meeting. And he's been so honest and transparent.

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I watched a few news shows last night. There is speculation that the republicans are trying to make Donald Jr the fall guy (mainly because he doesn't work for the White House) and are hoping this takes the heat off Jared. Which is insane considering Jared attended the meeting.

I'm watching Trump at a joint Press Conference in Paris as I type. He is reading what's on a piece of paper in front of him, A third grader could give a better speech. He rarely even looks up from the paper.

Watching the clip E.B. posted about Pence knowing about a meeting with Russia is eye opening. All this administration and their lawyers do is lie. They all give a 3 minute talk without ever answering a direct question. Kelly Ann Conway must be giving lessons on how to effectively not answer a question.
 
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I thought Pence was supposed to be their shielded golden boy.

Mike Pence was in charge of the transition from the Obama to the Trump administration. There were many documents sent to him, personally, in that capacity alerting him to incidents of possible collusion between the Trump team and the Russians. There are copies of all of them. He knew far more than he has let on or than The Trump White House has pictured him as knowing, but if anyone investigates what he received as head of the transition team, he is toast.

AGBF
 
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Hi,

A question I want to ask is who sent the e-mails to the New York Times? It wasn't JR. Kushners Lawyers? He had just amended his Gov. form to include that meeting a few weeks ago. He forgot to list another meeting? His lawyers are going thru all his emails, much like Clinton had lawyers sort through her emails.
The AG was under court order to show his disclosure form and refused. Today it was released with redactions all over the place. One conspiracy that is obvious is that they all agreed not to mention the Russia meetings. All of them.

Annette
 
The goalposts have already been moved from "Collusion? RIDICULOUS" to "Collusion is fine! Not necessarily illegal, everyone would do it if given the chance" because RWNJ media knows what's coming.
 
Hi,

You know what is the worst part for me about this whole affair. The whole US and the World is responding to a crazy man. Every day and night we are becoming more crazy because we are responding to crazy. I guess dysfunctional is the polite term. I fear we will lose our democracy because we have fools in our Gov't. Where are the heros to save us from ourselves. Have you seen any?

Annette
 
Which "Trump is a crook" thread should I put this link into?

"Trump warns Mueller against investigating his family's finances beyond Russia probe"

By Jacqueline Thomsen - 07/19/17 08:04 PM EDT

"President Trump warned special counsel Robert Mueller from investigating his family’s finances beyond the scope of the probe into ties between his administration and Russia in an interview with The New York Times on Wednesday.

'I think that’s a violation. Look, this is about Russia,' Trump told The Times.

Trump during the interview said he wasn’t ruling out firing Mueller as special counsel on the Russia probe.

He did not say that he would order the Justice Department to fire Mueller or under what circumstances he would fire him, but he indicated Mueller investigating his family's finances would cross a line.

A spokesman for Mueller declined to comment.

Trump also noted he previously interviewed Mueller to replace Comey as FBI director shortly before he was named special counsel.

Trump also said Mueller’s office had several conflicts of interest, including Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. Trump said Rosenstein was playing both sides in Trump’s decision to fire former FBI Director James Comey by recommending the firing but then appointing Mueller as special counsel.

'Well, that’s a conflict of interest,' Trump said. 'Do you know how many conflicts of interests there are?'

Trump fired Comey as head of the FBI investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 election, as well as alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Moscow.

Reports emerged last month that Trump was considering firing Mueller, drawing criticism from both Democrat and Republican lawmakers. The White House pushed back against those reports, saying Trump had “no intention” of firing the special counsel.

Link...http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...nst-investigating-his-familys-finances-beyond

Deb/AGBF
 
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Deb, Trump sure makes it seem as though he has a lot to hide. He is like a 3 yr old who is hiding something from you and tell's you not to look behind the couch.

Did anyone happen to see the last Time Magazine cover. It's a picture of Donnie Jr with the words Red Handed. Somehow I don't think this cover will be seen framed and hanging in one of a Trumps golf courses.
 
Deb, Trump sure makes it seem as though he has a lot to hide. He is like a 3 yr old who is hiding something from you and tell's you not to look behind the couch.

Did anyone happen to see the last Time Magazine cover. It's a picture of Donnie Jr with the words Red Handed. Somehow I don't think this cover will be seen framed and hanging in one of a Trumps golf courses.

I did not yet see it. Thank you for alerting me to its existence; now I will look for it!
 
According to the Washington Post, Trump and his legal team are looking into the scope of his pardon powers and whether the president can pardon himself.

If these guys are did in fact worked with the Russian government to influence the election, they should not be allowed to walk from this!
 
I read that this morning TC. Why would he be looking into pardoning if no one did anything wrong?
 
I was going to start a new thread for this headline. It is usually not every day that we find out The president of The United States lied and obstructed justice, after all. But with Donald Trump in The White House it is, pretty much, every day that we find out the president has lied and/or obstructed justice. So I am simply adding this latest article to a related thread.

Apparently when Mr. Trump, Sr. found out that Mr. Trump, Jr. was going to be in hot water for the meeting with the Russian lawyer, he decided to cover up the matter personally. He dictated the letter supposedly penned by Trump, Jr, while on Air Force One. The letter full of lies, that is. The one published on Saturday and proven to be a lie by Sunday.

Here is an excerpt from "The Washington Post".


"On the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit in Germany last month, President Trump’s advisers discussed how to respond to a new revelation that Trump’s oldest son had met with a Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign — a disclosure the advisers knew carried political and potentially legal peril.

The strategy, the advisers agreed, should be for Donald Trump Jr. to release a statement to get ahead of the story. They wanted to be truthful, so their account couldn’t be repudiated later if the full details emerged.

But within hours, at the president’s direction, the plan changed.

Flying home from Germany on July 8 aboard Air Force One, Trump personally dictated a statement in which Trump Jr. said that he and the Russian lawyer had 'primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children' when they met in June 2016, according to multiple people with knowledge of the deliberations. The statement, issued to the New York Times as it prepared an article, emphasized that the subject of the meeting was 'not a campaign issue at the time.'

The claims were later shown to be misleading.

The extent of the president’s personal intervention in his son’s response, the details of which have not previously been reported,adds to a series of actions that Trump has taken that some advisers fear could place him and some members of his inner circle in legal jeopardy.

As special counsel Robert S. Mueller III looks into potential obstruction of justice as part of his broader investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election, these advisers worry that the president’s direct involvement leaves him needlessly vulnerable to allegations of a coverup."

AGBF
 
I'm interested in this as well @AGBF. I apologize for sounding so ignorant Deb but would this be enough to get him impeached?
 
I'm interested in this as well @AGBF. I apologize for sounding so ignorant Deb but would this be enough to get him impeached?

Meetings done!

Anyway, assuming the WaPo story is all true, by itself it may not be enough for an obstruction charge, but it is a solid brick in a case that can be built against Trump.

Impeachment is another matter since it really depends on when the Republicans say enough -- what can Trump do that will cross their red line. Considering a second (Arizona) Republican representative in the Judiciary Committee is calling on Mueller to resign because of supposed conflicts of interest (citing his "close friendship" with Comey, which was already debunked), it is likely Trump would have to murder someone in the middle of 5th Ave before the Republicans in the House would even start to consider him unfit. Blech!
 
Thank you @t-c. It is no surprise how much I want these clowns anywhere but the White House. Trump claimed to "weigh in" on the Donald Trump Jr letter "as any father would" . He makes it sound as though Trump Jr, is six yrs old. I can't believe these people are so stupid they don't listen to their lawyers. Any lawyer worth a dime would have told Trump Sr. to stay completely away from this. I'm sure we will be hearing much more about this in the future.
 
Trump backed himself into a corner on this one (if the story is true) because it looks like staffers were involved or informed of his actions (changing the initial message), not just his family. The staffers are not likely to lie for him when questioned.
 
Welcome to Muricah.... live from DC, it's the Jerry Springer Show :dance:
 
I'm interested in this as well @AGBF. I apologize for sounding so ignorant Deb but would this be enough to get him impeached?

You are anything but ignorant, Calliecake; you were the only Pricescoper prescient enough to think that Scaramucci might be fired before Sessions or Bannon! I'd say that that alone puts you into the Mensa of Pricescope!

t-c answered you right below your posting, so you do not need me to do so again, but I will reiterate. Since The House decides whether to impeach a sitting president, the decision as to whether a president has committed high crimes and misdemeanors is left up to The House. The House is currently Republican and only if the Republicans can be persuaded that they want to get rid of Trump will they vote to impeach him. It is purely political.

And, as you know, if he is impeached he is not removed from office. He merely goes on trial in The Senate.

Deb :wavey:
 
Deb - Not just the house in charge. A big enough outcry from the public, pressure on finance and the GOP will have no choice to act or die. They may not really understand at this point though. This party has FUBAR for two decades, and still holds office, when the boom comes down they'll probably be blindsided.

As for the rest of the Chump circus, America at large is currently experiencing similar to those with a mentally unstable family member. Sad.
 
Deb - Not just the house in charge. A big enough outcry from the public, pressure on finance and the GOP will have no choice to act or die. They may not really understand at this point though. This party has FUBAR for two decades, and still holds office, when the boom comes down they'll probably be blindsided.

As for the rest of the Chump circus, America at large is currently experiencing similar to those with a mentally unstable family member. Sad.

I lived through Nixon's resignation as an adult (albeit a young adult) and I know how these things work. You are right, of course. There is interplay between The House and the public and the actions taken by the president. However, the president has to do something truly egregious, truly heinous, to bestir the public. And unless he bestirs the public, the House, being Republican, will give him a pass. They gave Nixon a pass until the bitter end. And his base supported him until he was about to be impeached, too. So Trump will have to do something very big. Firing Jeff Sessions would be a start, but probably would not be a big enough gesture to move The House. And Trump has been too sly to fire Sessions anyway. Firing Mueller after firing Sessions would make a bigger impression on The House, but might not do the job, either. Do you know why? Because Congress could simply re-appoint Mueller as Special Counsel themselves and have him continue the investigation. Then they could justify inaction on impeachment. So we will have to wait and see, but I am not sanguine about seeing impeachment while The House remains Republican.

Deb :wavey:
 
You are anything but ignorant, Calliecake; you were the only Pricescoper prescient enough to think that Scaramucci might be fired before Sessions or Bannon! I'd say that that alone puts you into the Mensa of Pricescope!

t-c answered you right below your posting, so you do not need me to do so again, but I will reiterate. Since The House decides whether to impeach a sitting president, the decision as to whether a president has committed high crimes and misdemeanors is left up to The House. The House is currently Republican and only if the Republicans can be persuaded that they want to get rid of Trump will they vote to impeach him. It is purely political.

And, as you know, if he is impeached he is not removed from office. He merely goes on trial in The Senate.

Deb :wavey:

Yes, I forgot about this. Trump would have to be impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate to be bumped from office. But then we get Pence. Not a great replacement policy-wise, but at least he seems stable.
 
Deb - Not just the house in charge. A big enough outcry from the public, pressure on finance and the GOP will have no choice to act or die. They may not really understand at this point though. This party has FUBAR for two decades, and still holds office, when the boom comes down they'll probably be blindsided.

As for the rest of the Chump circus, America at large is currently experiencing similar to those with a mentally unstable family member. Sad.

Don't forget that his support from Republicans is still running high. Any outcry from just the "liberals" will be ignored. The outcry will have to come from Republicans...I don't know whether that will happen. I've seen Trump supporter interviews and I was often flabbergasted at how they rationalized everything (some guy actually said Trump does not lie! :eek2:).
 
Let's hope this becomes more than a dog n pony show
 
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