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wrw0010

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I think I''ve decided on this stone from Whiteflash for $3380. It looks to have a nice spread and does well on the HCA. It is only rated as a Very Good cut by GIA. Is this a concern?



I had decided to give up a little in the cut for a little more spread. I may upgrade to a 1 ct ACA H&A in a year or so.



http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-499411.htm

PDF from GIA attached.


 

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It is the brillianteering that gave it that cut grade. Ask for an idealscope. Do they have it in their possession to look at for you?
 
WRW - Is it a concern? Depending on personal preference or what you are looking for, yes it can be. Of all the "C's", cut is the most important, therefore, if you are going to skimp anywhere, you would likely not want to do so with cut just because cut influences how all the other "C's" manifest themselves and the overall performance of your diamond. If you can get an "excellent" or "ideal" cut diamond within your price range, I would suggest that that might be the route to go.

I found this one on Whiteflash that might be to your liking or this one that is a G/VS1 but just a little less in carat weight. Given the size of these stones, the mm's difference b/n the carat points is not going to be seen.

If it were my choice, I would prefer to go with one of these ACA's vs. a "very good" cut stone.

Just my 2 cents.

** eta ** remember that the prices quoted on these diamonds is not the bankwire price or PS discount price so you will likely pay less.
 
I''ll wait for more info before giving an opinion. It could be, as :) alluded to, something you or I would never know about, or see. There are many beatiful VG''s out there, and many given that grade for again, things we''ll never see in real life. They can be great finds!

So, if it looks appealing to you, have them call it in, if they don''t already have it.
 
Ihad no idea what brillianteering was. I am going to get all the reports tomorrow when they receive the diamond. I will post the reports as soon as they send them to me. I may go with a slightly smaller aca based on reactions to the rest of the reports.
 
Sounds good, we''ll be watching.
 
Date: 1/30/2008 5:40:57 PM
Author: Ellen
I''ll wait for more info before giving an opinion. It could be, as :) alluded to, something you or I would never know about, or see. There are many beatiful VG''s out there, and many given that grade for again, things we''ll never see in real life. They can be great finds!

So, if it looks appealing to you, have them call it in, if they don''t already have it.
Big ditto!!! If you like the sound of the diamond you posted, and it certainly looks as if it could be a fine cut from the bit of info we have, then lets see what happens when you get some more info on it. They can certainly be great finds if you care to search for them! Not everyone is looking for a superideal diamond and if you are one, that could be an excellent choice.
 
Date: 1/30/2008 7:05:09 PM
Author: wrw0010
Ihad no idea what brillianteering was. I am going to get all the reports tomorrow when they receive the diamond. I will post the reports as soon as they send them to me. I may go with a slightly smaller aca based on reactions to the rest of the reports.
That is your choice, but I would see what the verdict is on the first diamond you posted first perhaps, it may be an excellent diamond. Here is some info for you on brillianteering.

http://journal.pricescope.com/Articles/45/1/Visible-Effects-of-Painting--Digging-on-Superideal-Diamonds.aspx
 
Date: 1/31/2008 9:29:28 AM
Author: wrw0010
Figured I''d get the impressions of my back up diamond that I reserved while I wait on the reports from the other.

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-609776.htm

This wasn''t available until late yesterday so i didn''t see it on the first look. I have checked and it is eye-clean.
It looks fine and if WF says it is eyeclean then you are good to go. The thing is with all ACA diamonds, that they are consistently superb performers and have to pass many rigorous tests and standards to be considered an ACA in the first place. So if you choose one of these diamonds, it is the colour and size you want and verified eyeclean, then you can''t go wrong. As I said before it depends on whether you want the pedigree of the branded ACA and performance, or if you want to investigate the other diamond, which still may be a good choice, depends on what matters to you most.
 
Here are the reports on the first diamond.

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Sorry here you go.

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Your last pic didn't take, but from the IS and Sarin, I think the diamond looks great. It should be very pretty. If it would ease your mind, tallk to someone at WF about it.

I'd say yay, unless they said otherwise.

ETA, looks good. Same opinion!
 
So it looks fairly close in quality of cut to the ACA? This diamond is actually a little more expensive than the ACA.


I had about decided to give up a little clarity for the near perfect cut. I find that the more I read and learn about diamonds the harder it is to decide on anything. I almost think I was better when I just had the 2 minute quickie course at the jewelry store.
 
Date: 1/31/2008 6:55:45 PM
Author: wrw0010
So it looks fairly close in quality of cut to the ACA? This diamond is actually a little more expensive than the ACA.


I had about decided to give up a little clarity for the near perfect cut. I find that the more I read and learn about diamonds the harder it is to decide on anything. I almost think I was better when I just had the 2 minute quickie course at the jewelry store.
I missed your post on the back up diamond til now. Now I''m confused. The first (VS1) is more than the back up, but not by much, considering it''s two clarity grades higher. It should be a lot more. What is the reasoning for that, do you know?

Your first pic looks fine, a lot like their new line stone. Again, it should be pretty. They wouldn''t offer it if they didn''t like it I don''t think. Either one would be great.
 
The VS1 is painted (or dug out i''m not sure) and the certificate is marked with a Brillianteering comment. I was afraid that this might cause some performance issues. In addition, the ACA was an in-house while the other they were bringing in.
 
Date: 1/31/2008 7:56:16 PM
Author: wrw0010
The VS1 is painted (or dug out i''m not sure) and the certificate is marked with a Brillianteering comment. I was afraid that this might cause some performance issues. In addition, the ACA was an in-house while the other they were bringing in.
I believe this is what it''s referring to. If done right, not to a great extent, it does no harm, and can actually help. And some actually prefer the look, which is said to be more fluid rather than the sharper on-off scitillation when there''s more contrast leakage.. At this point, with them being so close in price, call WF and have them compare and give you an overview of both, the differences, and which one they feel is more appealing, if there is one.
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Date: 1/31/2008 8:09:51 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 1/31/2008 7:56:16 PM
Author: wrw0010
The VS1 is painted (or dug out i''m not sure) and the certificate is marked with a Brillianteering comment. I was afraid that this might cause some performance issues. In addition, the ACA was an in-house while the other they were bringing in.
I believe this is what it''s referring to. If done right, not to a great extent, it does no harm, and can actually help. And some actually prefer the look, which is said to be more fluid rather than the sharper on-off scitillation when there''s more contrast leakage.. At this point, with them being so close in price, call WF and have them compare and give you an overview of both, the differences, and which one they feel is more appealing, if there is one.
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Ditto to Ellen. WF will compare the two and give you pros and cons of each for you. You can then make an informed decision as to which one you want. Ellen I think the reason there is not more dif in price even though the great dif in clarity and color is because the ACA is a branded stone which always carries a premium. This keeps the dif between the two close even though and G VS1 ACA would be much more expensive at that size than an H SI1 ACA at the same size for comparison.

If that did not make sense, I have obviously been reading too many of Ira''s posts.
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shay
 
Shay, lol. I get what you''re saying, but I still wouldn''t guess the prices to be like this...Oh well.
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wr, did WF get a chance to compare? Or did you decide on one?
 
They did and gave me the pros and cons on each. I finally went with the ACA. I received it today and it is a spectacular stone. It has a lot of fire and actually looks colorless to me (more so than other Hs I looked at in the B&Ms). The inclusion is visible in the scope but the rock is very clean to the eye.

I am very happy with the stone. Thanks to everyone for all the help.
 
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