Is this round a great diamond? 2.51 GIA G SI1

[Ellejae1]

Hello round brilliant experts,
This diamond looks great to me and the price at $27.5 seems under what it's worth.
Can you give me your opinions on it? Seller says it's eye clean.

GIA Report:
http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=2136496596

Holloway report attached.
Many thanks in advance!

 

[04diamond<3]

The numbers look great!!! But I'd need to see a picture if not a video. Do you have an ideal scope image?

 

[Ellejae1]

Here's the ideal scope and an image of the diamond (but not the best). I am trying to upload more from the buyer and will post soon.

 

[04diamond<3]

Wow, that ideal scope looks great!! A clearer picture of the stone would be great! But it looks like a winner!

 

[Evilsports]

Here's a link to a weak translation of the website the stone was possibly bought from, originally. (For whatever it's worth)

http://translate.google.com/transla...m/goods-17774-%E8%A3%B8%E9%92%BB.html&act=url

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Ask the vendor if it really looks like a VS2 or an SI1.
If it looks like a VS inclusion suite then the clouds are an issue and have it sent to an appraiser for an opinion.

 

[GeorgeStevens]

N00b here - anyone concerned about the medium blue fluorescence in a G color? Seems borderline but a bit of a risk to buy site unseen, or does some of the technical analysis show milkiness won't be a problem?

 

[Ellejae1]

N00b here - anyone concerned about the medium blue fluorescence in a G color? Seems borderline but a bit of a risk to buy site unseen, or does some of the technical analysis show milkiness won't be a problem?

That was my next question! Wasn't planning on buying a diamond with Med blue fluor and am a little worried about it.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

N00b here - anyone concerned about the medium blue fluorescence in a G color? Seems borderline but a bit of a risk to buy site unseen, or does some of the technical analysis show milkiness won't be a problem?

That was my next question! Wasn't planning on buying a diamond with Med blue fluor and am a little worried about it.

Why on earth?
I would snap up every M and Strg Blue in G and H

 

[diamondseeker2006]

N00b here - anyone concerned about the medium blue fluorescence in a G color? Seems borderline but a bit of a risk to buy site unseen, or does some of the technical analysis show milkiness won't be a problem?

That was my next question! Wasn't planning on buying a diamond with Med blue fluor and am a little worried about it.

Why on earth?
I would snap up every M and Strg Blue in G and H

Me, too. I'd prefer it. It saves money and is beautiful.

 

[Ellejae1]

N00b here - anyone concerned about the medium blue fluorescence in a G color? Seems borderline but a bit of a risk to buy site unseen, or does some of the technical analysis show milkiness won't be a problem?

That was my next question! Wasn't planning on buying a diamond with Med blue fluor and am a little worried about it.

Why on earth?
I would snap up every M and Strg Blue in G and H

Why is that Garry H? Do you think I would notice the fluorescence in normal day light?

 

[Ellejae1]

Here is another shot of the diamond on a woman's hand. I've asked the seller for closer shots of the diamond head-on and will post when I get them. thanks for everyone's help!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

You cannot see fluorescence in normal daylight. You will see it if you put it under a UV light and you may notice the slightest tinge of blue in bright sunlight. But I had a diamond for 30 years with medium blue and never knew it had it until I was considering a reset and the jeweler told me. So it is a non-issue as far as I am concerned. My last diamond had strong blue and I really loved it.

https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-flourescence

 

[GeorgeStevens]

I asked this question because there is a difference of opinion on the subject. For example:

If your diamond is H, I, or J color, then look for a diamond with Medium Blue fluorescence for an added bonus – it can make your stone look slightly whiter. If not, your stone will still look great without it. If you are buying a diamond with a G or higher color, then find a diamond with either no fluorescence or faint fluorescence. ... I am also hesitant to suggest Medium Blue Fluorescence when purchasing a diamond with a very high color (G or better), since on rare occasions even a Medium Blue Fluorescent diamond can exhibit milkiness or haziness when the color is exceptionally high. If, of course, you are buying a diamond in person and not online, then it’s in your best interest to specifically ask for a diamond with Strong Blue Fluorescence. It will be cheaper and since you are there in person, you can see for yourself whether or not the diamond exhibits haziness or milkiness.

http://www.truthaboutdiamonds.com/truth-about/diamond-fluorescence/

I guess the bottom line is to make sure there's a good return policy in case it is one of the few G's that looks milky with medium fluorescence.

 

[ecf8503]

According to GIA, 25-35% of stones exhibit some degree of fluor. Only 10% of those show strengths of fluor that may impact appearance. Fewer than 0.2% of the fluorescent diamonds submitted to GIA exhibit any ill effect (haziness, oiliness, etc).

Fluor is nothing to be afraid of - it's gotten a bad rap over the recent years, but at one point in time stones with very high color and strong blue fluor were highly sought after "blue-whites".

I have a D w/ SBF, and I LOVE it.

 

[Ellejae1]

I asked this question because there is a difference of opinion on the subject. For example:

If your diamond is H, I, or J color, then look for a diamond with Medium Blue fluorescence for an added bonus – it can make your stone look slightly whiter. If not, your stone will still look great without it. If you are buying a diamond with a G or higher color, then find a diamond with either no fluorescence or faint fluorescence. ... I am also hesitant to suggest Medium Blue Fluorescence when purchasing a diamond with a very high color (G or better), since on rare occasions even a Medium Blue Fluorescent diamond can exhibit milkiness or haziness when the color is exceptionally high. If, of course, you are buying a diamond in person and not online, then it’s in your best interest to specifically ask for a diamond with Strong Blue Fluorescence. It will be cheaper and since you are there in person, you can see for yourself whether or not the diamond exhibits haziness or milkiness.

http://www.truthaboutdiamonds.com/truth-about/diamond-fluorescence/

I guess the bottom line is to make sure there's a good return policy in case it is one of the few G's that looks milky with medium fluorescence.

I saw this article, George and it worried me because the diamond is a G graded by GIA. If I decide to purchase I have a 2 week window to take it to my appraiser to make sure the Med Fluor doesn't affect the high color. I also worry that it will be too blue and fluorescent in the bright daylight. I LOVE sparkle but not too much blue.

 

[Ellejae1]

You cannot see fluorescence in normal daylight. You will see it if you put it under a UV light and you may notice the slightest tinge of blue in bright sunlight. But I had a diamond for 30 years with medium blue and never knew it had it until I was considering a reset and the jeweler told me. So it is a non-issue as far as I am concerned. My last diamond had strong blue and I really loved it.

https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-flourescence

Hi Diamondseeker2006,
Do you have a photo of the Med blue diamond you had?
Thanks!

 

[04diamond<3]

I *really really really* wouldn't worry so much about it! And blue flourescence won't actually be blue, it'll help your stone look whiter. It doesn't look like there's milkiness, but it wouldn't hurt to ask. There's really only a very small amount of stones that are affected negatively by flourescnce, so again, I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[Dreamer_D]

I am not sure how reputable that website is that you linked, but fluor is not an issue especially at the medium level.

If you want information on fluor you should stick to reputable sources like the following:

http://www.gia.edu/doi/10_5741-GEMS_33_4_244

Full article: http://w2009.gia.edu/lab-reports-services/diamonds/G%26G-W97-understanding-fluorescence.pdf

ETA: this quote sums it up: "Although yellow fluorescent diamonds and “overblues” are also of concern in the trade, such stones are so rare that we could not assemble appropriate examples to perform a comparable study."

 

[GeorgeStevens]

It's worth being a bit skeptical - not paranoid, but skeptical. Remember, if you look around the table and can't figure out who the sucker is, it's you. The diamond dealer knows a lot more than you. I prefer to assume the worst until it's proven otherwise.

Even highly reputable places will sell you junk. I remember being at Harry Winston a few months ago, just getting inspiration, and after demonstrating a bit of knowledge of diamonds, the salesman confided in me about an recent customer who had been convinced to buy a flawless J RBC... at Cartier. In his words, "whoever sold them that stone deserves a really big commission." Don't be the one who earns the salesman a big commission.

 

[Ellejae1]

Thanks everyone for the valuable advice! Keep it coming! It's nice to see different and valid opinions and perspectives! It really does help me evaluate my decision.

 

[Dreamer_D]

It's worth being a bit skeptical - not paranoid, but skeptical. Remember, if you look around the table and can't figure out who the sucker is, it's you. The diamond dealer knows a lot more than you. I prefer to assume the worst until it's proven otherwise.

Even highly reputable places will sell you junk. I remember being at Harry Winston a few months ago, just getting inspiration, and after demonstrating a bit of knowledge of diamonds, the salesman confided in me about an recent customer who had been convinced to buy a flawless J RBC... at Cartier. In his words, "whoever sold them that stone deserves a really big commission." Don't be the one who earns the salesman a big commission.

You will probably find if you spend a little more time her on PS that most of the people who help out regularly in RT are big old sceptics. That is the reason we choose to educate ourselves and don't blindly trust what we are told. So if you are a sceptic you are in good company and likely don't need to convince any of us.

I will say that part of being sceptical is educating yourself so that you know what is sales bunk and what is not. Contrary to what you are suggesting -- that the seller is perhaps pulling a fast one on the buyer by trying to sell him/her a diamond of G color that has fluor -- the negative sales rap about fluor actually benefits the sales person, not the consumer. Buying a diamond that has fluor and thus trades at a lower price and also likely nets the diamond seller less commission is smart buying. (the historical reasons why diamond with fluor trade at a lower price is a long discussion that you can read about if you do a PS search).

Another part of being a good sceptic is to assess the validity of the source of information you are receiving. The GIA is a reputable source of information about fluor. Many other sources, including random internet blogs or random posters on PS, are not necessarily good sources. If GIA says that fluor is not and issue worth being concerned about in the vast majority of cases, then I will believe them. It is worth asking an appraiser or a trusted vendor to confirm that fluor is not an issue. It is not worth passing on an otherwise very good candidate. Garry's warning about the clouds in the stone is far more likely to be worth heeding.

 

[pyramid]

I was surprised to read that Cartier sold a J VS1. I have read many times on Pricescope over the years that the lowest Color
Tiffany sells is I, so I would have thought Cartier would not have sold J Color diamonds. Does anyone know what Color ranges
Cartier sells?

 

[treasurehunter]

The question is whether people in the Trade take the GIA report on florescence , a lot don't apparently .

 

[Ellejae1]

According to GIA, 25-35% of stones exhibit some degree of fluor. Only 10% of those show strengths of fluor that may impact appearance. Fewer than 0.2% of the fluorescent diamonds submitted to GIA exhibit any ill effect (haziness, oiliness, etc).

Fluor is nothing to be afraid of - it's gotten a bad rap over the recent years, but at one point in time stones with very high color and strong blue fluor were highly sought after "blue-whites".

I have a D w/ SBF, and I LOVE it.

Hi ecf0583!
I just looked at pictures of your SB Fluor 0.74 D stone. I noticed that your stone gave off a lot of blue in regular sunlight. Will the stone I'm looking at 2.51 G Med Blue Fluor do the same thing in regular sunlight? Will it give off any blue in regular sunlight?

Thanks!

 

[LLJsmom]

Here is mine F VS1 2.59 with medium blue Fluor.

Bright sunlight


Indoor lighting


Overcast daylight


Indoor daylight


A matter of preference. It is NEVER milky. I read the whole GIA report myself and only a fraction of a percentage of stones with Fluor exhibit milkiness. It comes down to whether you like the blue.

 

[Laila619]

I've owned several stones with strong and med blue fluor (although admittedly mine were I and J color), and I don't see how it could be a negative. In person, you can barely even tell. I think in a G, I still wouldn't hesitate.

 

[Ellejae1]

Here is mine F VS1 2.59 with medium blue Fluor.

Bright sunlight


Indoor lighting


Overcast daylight


Indoor daylight


A matter of preference. It is NEVER milky. I read the whole GIA report myself and only a fraction of a percentage of stones with Fluor exhibit milkiness. It comes down to whether you like the blue.

Gorgeous stone LLJsmom! Looks perfect on your hand.
Do you think your D shows more blue than a G would with the same medium blue?
I've never thought I might own a stone with fluorescence so that's why I'm so curious about it.
I want to know everything if I buy med blue stone.

 

[04diamond<3]

You're talking about the blue falshes that come off the stone? That'll happen either way. My stone has faint flourescence and it's an F, and only has the slightest blue tint in the sun and gives blue flashes, but it's not like the stone turns blue...

 

[Ellejae1]

You're talking about the blue falshes that come off the stone? That'll happen either way. My stone has faint flourescence and it's an F, and only has the slightest blue tint in the sun and gives blue flashes, but it's not like the stone turns blue...

I guess the main question I'm trying to ask is...will a 2.5 G Med Blue look the same as a 2.5 G No Fluor in any type of lighting or will I see more blue with the Med Blue?