Is this diamond worth $30k?

[Monkey1229]

 

[Dancing Fire]

Not horrible specs, but maybe the bottom half is a bit deep at 43.5%. JMO.

 

[ctsamg]

30k is about right, I would sacrifice a bit on the clarity to get the cost down

 

[lovedogs]

do you have pics/videos of the stone itself or IS/ASET images? Cut numbers look good at a glance, but that doesnt guarantee good performance.

In case you are interested in alternatives, here are some others I found in the 30K range with similar size/color:

For this one from B2C I'd want a video because of the "internal graining" comment on the report.
https://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/120476...m_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com

This is very similar to yours, and a similar price. So it seems like a fair price you got in the one you posted above.
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/2....Cut-Round-Diamond/D42755848?&refer=pricescope


If you're willing to go to J color (and obviously that's totally up to you), I really like these:

I'd want to see video, but pic looks really good.
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/2....Cut-Round-Diamond/D42591186?&refer=pricescope

WF comes with lots of perks and an amazing upgrade policy, plus it's cheaper. BUT, there are more inclusions on this one. WF says eye clean, but I'd want to talk to someone about it and see pics (if I were you)
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4072158.htm?source=pricescope

Then there's this one, which is likely too brown for anyone except weirdos like me. If I had 28K and could see ASET/IS this would probably already be mine. For experts like @flyingpig and @Karl_K, what does "internal graining" even look like on such a high clarity (VVS) stone, and would anyone worry about it? Side question, but just trying to understand the significance for my own knowledge.
https://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/122388...m_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com

 

[Karl_K]

what does "internal graining" even look like on such a high clarity (VVS) stone,

Interesting question, "vvs1 and grade based on internal graining that is not shown"
Off the top of my head I want to say just barely visible at 10x but internal graining is weird when it comes to grading so im not certain.
I'm going to ping the people I go to for answers to these kind of questions:
@denverappraiser
@oldminer
@Garry H (Cut Nut)

 

[blueMA]

Interesting question, "vvs1 and grade based on internal graining that is not shown"
Off the top of my head I want to say just barely visible at 10x but internal graining is weird when it comes to grading so im not certain.
I'm going to ping the people I go to for answers to these kind of questions:
@denverappraiser
@oldminer
@Garry H (Cut Nut)

It's really odd though I see that clarity comment most often on VVS1 than any other grade. It's like a reason not to give a VVS1 stone a higher grade.

 

[blueMA]

Found a thread but that really looks bad.
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/internal-graining-in-my-gia-vvs1-is-shocking.123149/

 

[Karl_K]

Found a thread but that really looks bad.
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/internal-graining-in-my-gia-vvs1-is-shocking.123149/

Colored diamond have for the most part totaly different rules than non fancy colored stones.
So we cant apply that to the current stone being discussed.

 

[Monkey1229]

do you have pics/videos of the stone itself or IS/ASET images? Cut numbers look good at a glance, but that doesnt guarantee good performance.

In case you are interested in alternatives, here are some others I found in the 30K range with similar size/color:

For this one from B2C I'd want a video because of the "internal graining" comment on the report.
https://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/120476...m_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com

This is very similar to yours, and a similar price. So it seems like a fair price you got in the one you posted above.
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/2....Cut-Round-Diamond/D42755848?&refer=pricescope


If you're willing to go to J color (and obviously that's totally up to you), I really like these:

I'd want to see video, but pic looks really good.
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/2....Cut-Round-Diamond/D42591186?&refer=pricescope

WF comes with lots of perks and an amazing upgrade policy, plus it's cheaper. BUT, there are more inclusions on this one. WF says eye clean, but I'd want to talk to someone about it and see pics (if I were you)
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4072158.htm?source=pricescope

Then there's this one, which is likely too brown for anyone except weirdos like me. If I had 28K and could see ASET/IS this would probably already be mine. For experts like @flyingpig and @Karl_K, what does "internal graining" even look like on such a high clarity (VVS) stone, and would anyone worry about it? Side question, but just trying to understand the significance for my own knowledge.
https://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/122388...m_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com

I don't have any pics/videos of the stone itself for now i have an appointment with the jeweler next week to see the stone in person.

 

[Karl_K]

It's really odd though I see that clarity comment most often on VVS1 than any other grade. It's like a reason not to give a VVS1 stone a higher grade.

Right an IF stone cant have internal graining.
The question was what it looks like.
Can it have a lot and get vvs1 or does it have to be a tiny amount?
I dont know the answer for sure.

 

[blueMA]

Right an IF stone cant have internal graining.
The question was what it looks like.
Can it have a lot and get vvs1 or does it have to be a tiny amount?
I dont know the answer for sure.

Right, and if you remember that freak VS1 I returned, the internal graining made the stone look cloudy in bright light with no fluoro, but there wasn't even clarity note for it since it wasn't technically visible at 10X loupe.

 

[HappyNewLife]

seems pretty good

 

[TreeScientist]

Off the top of my head I want to say just barely visible at 10x but internal graining is weird when it comes to grading so im not certain.
I'm going to ping the people I go to for answers to these kind of questions:
@denverappraiser
@oldminer
@Garry H (Cut Nut)[/QUOTE]

Excellent article on graining from GIA:
https://www.gia.edu/doc/WN06A1.pdf

Figure 2 shows a photomicrograph of a diamond with graining that resulted in a VVS1 grade. I'm wary of graining at any grade though, as it seems like the effect of graining on clarity can even be seen at the VVS level though. Check out Figure 13. Obviously, the VVS diamond is not as hazy as the SI diamond, but it still doesn't look completely clear to the eye. I guess graining at any clarity grade should be looked at on a case by case basis.

 

[MarionC]

Off the top of my head I want to say just barely visible at 10x but internal graining is weird when it comes to grading so im not certain.
I'm going to ping the people I go to for answers to these kind of questions:
@denverappraiser
@oldminer
@Garry H (Cut Nut)

Excellent article on graining from GIA:
https://www.gia.edu/doc/WN06A1.pdf

Figure 2 shows a photomicrograph of a diamond with graining that resulted in a VVS1 grade. I'm wary of graining at any grade though, as it seems like the effect of graining on clarity can even be seen at the VVS level though. Check out Figure 13. Obviously, the VVS diamond is not as hazy as the SI diamond, but it still doesn't look completely clear to the eye. I guess graining at any clarity grade should be looked at on a case by case basis.[/QUOTE]
Wow, great article!

 

[Monkey1229]

@lovedogs what do you think about the stones below?
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/3.02-ct-I-VS1-Affinity-Cut-Round-Diamond/D42106612?rfr=similar
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/3.01-ct-I-VS1-Excellent-Cut-Round-Diamond/D42729233?q=42729233

do you have pics/videos of the stone itself or IS/ASET images? Cut numbers look good at a glance, but that doesnt guarantee good performance.

In case you are interested in alternatives, here are some others I found in the 30K range with similar size/color:

For this one from B2C I'd want a video because of the "internal graining" comment on the report.
https://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/120476...m_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com

This is very similar to yours, and a similar price. So it seems like a fair price you got in the one you posted above.
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/2....Cut-Round-Diamond/D42755848?&refer=pricescope


If you're willing to go to J color (and obviously that's totally up to you), I really like these:

I'd want to see video, but pic looks really good.
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/2....Cut-Round-Diamond/D42591186?&refer=pricescope

WF comes with lots of perks and an amazing upgrade policy, plus it's cheaper. BUT, there are more inclusions on this one. WF says eye clean, but I'd want to talk to someone about it and see pics (if I were you)
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4072158.htm?source=pricescope

Then there's this one, which is likely too brown for anyone except weirdos like me. If I had 28K and could see ASET/IS this would probably already be mine. For experts like @flyingpig and @Karl_K, what does "internal graining" even look like on such a high clarity (VVS) stone, and would anyone worry about it? Side question, but just trying to understand the significance for my own knowledge.
https://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/122388...m_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com

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do you have pics/videos of the stone itself or IS/ASET images? Cut numbers look good at a glance, but that doesnt guarantee good performance.

In case you are interested in alternatives, here are some others I found in the 30K range with similar size/color:

For this one from B2C I'd want a video because of the "internal graining" comment on the report.
https://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/120476...m_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com

This is very similar to yours, and a similar price. So it seems like a fair price you got in the one you posted above.
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/2....Cut-Round-Diamond/D42755848?&refer=pricescope


If you're willing to go to J color (and obviously that's totally up to you), I really like these:

I'd want to see video, but pic looks really good.
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/2....Cut-Round-Diamond/D42591186?&refer=pricescope

WF comes with lots of perks and an amazing upgrade policy, plus it's cheaper. BUT, there are more inclusions on this one. WF says eye clean, but I'd want to talk to someone about it and see pics (if I were you)
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4072158.htm?source=pricescope

Then there's this one, which is likely too brown for anyone except weirdos like me. If I had 28K and could see ASET/IS this would probably already be mine. For experts like @flyingpig and @Karl_K, what does "internal graining" even look like on such a high clarity (VVS) stone, and would anyone worry about it? Side question, but just trying to understand the significance for my own knowledge.
https://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/122388...m_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com

 

[lovedogs]

@lovedogs what do you think about the stones below?
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/3.02-ct-I-VS1-Affinity-Cut-Round-Diamond/D42106612?rfr=similar
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/3.01-ct-I-VS1-Excellent-Cut-Round-Diamond/D42729233?q=42729233



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I don't like the first one bc it looks hazy/cloudy to me and the report says "clouds not shown". Taken together, that makes me nervous. I like the second one much more!

 

[Monkey1229]

@lovedogs Thank you! What do think about strong blue fluorescent?

 

[lovedogs]

@lovedogs Thank you! What do think about strong blue fluorescent?

From my understanding, it's not an issue 99% of the time. In rare cases it can make the diamond hazy/milky. So I would ask about that prior to buying, and obviously inspect during the return window to make sure you like it in person.

 

[blueMA]

@lovedogs Thank you! What do think about strong blue fluorescent?

The fact the diamond doesn't have cloud definitely helps.

Stones combined with cloud, or Very strong blue fluorescent stones can have issues as seen on the below video.

 

[Monkey1229]

The fact the diamond doesn't have cloud definitely helps.

Stones combined with cloud, or Very strong blue fluorescent stones can have issues as seen on the below video.

@blueMA Thank you so much! what do you think about this stone? Is it a good buy?

 

[blueMA]

@blueMA Thank you so much! what do you think about this stone? Is it a good buy?

The crown is a bit high for the 41 pavilion, and it gets risky around that threshold. I like 34 for the steep pav angle for better light performance. If you could attain an ASET or a good frontal diamond photo, you often see some light leakage or obstructions near that combo.

 

[Monkey1229]

The crown is a bit high for the 41 pavilion, and it gets risky around that threshold. I like 34 for the steep pav angle for better light performance. If you could attain an ASET or a good frontal diamond photo, you often see some light leakage or obstructions near that combo.

@blueMA Thank you so much for your time. I really appreciated your help! One more question and I won't interrupt you anymore, I am looking for a round diamond between 2.5-3ct budget is 30K in term of Proportions,clarity and Fluorescence. any thoughts or advice?

 

[ctsamg]

@blueMA Thank you so much for your time. I really appreciated your help! One more question and I won't interrupt you anymore, I am looking for a round diamond between 2.5-3ct budget is 30K in term of Proportions,clarity and Fluorescence. any thoughts or advice?

I ended up with a 2.5ct I, VS2 sourced through Martin @ USA Certed Diamonds that falls into AGS Ideal and PS Quality. I was well below your budget. I would recommend going with an H and a little larger for your budget!

 

[blueMA]

@blueMA Thank you so much for your time. I really appreciated your help! One more question and I won't interrupt you anymore, I am looking for a round diamond between 2.5-3ct budget is 30K in term of Proportions,clarity and Fluorescence. any thoughts or advice?

It should be doable around that price range, but it also depends on what you're really looking for. With a superideal, you'd need to compromise on the color/size to get near that range with great future upgrade options with vendors such as WF, CBI, BG, but if a super precision cut isn't your requirement, you can find a pretty decent one as long as you keep looking diligently. I just looked quickly for you near 30k and didn't see one that I'd particularly recommend highly (H/G/VS 1-2 level around 2.5-2..

Try ID Jewelry or @Rhino (Jonathan) at August Vintage (who created the video above) for help locating great diamonds. For a more DIY method, try rarecarat.com - a great diamond search engine.