Is anyone else feeling fearful with what’s happening?

[missy]

It's really sad looking back what their country used to be like complied to now

100%. Exactly.
The Iranian regime chants
"Death to America."
They fund terror.
Hang gays.
Jail women for showing their hair.
No equal rights
Persecute and torture and murder their own for going against them
Call for Israel's annihilation.
And many here are against taking out their nuclear facilities?

 

[missy]

One day when I have mote energy (Gary much better still in hospital) we need to find each other on loop troop

Absolutely Nicky. I would love that.
So happy to hear Gary is doing much better!
Hoping he’s home with you soon

 

[Calliecake]

I don’t want the US in this war. That does not mean I think highly of Iran. The two are not mutually exclusive.

 

[missy]

"This is the dirty work Israel is doing for all of us. We are also victims of this regime. This mullah regime has brought death and destruction to the world."

"All I can say is, I have the greatest respect for the Israeli army and the Israeli government that they had the courage to do this."

Friedrich Merz
Chancellor of Germany

 

[Matata]

And many here are against taking out their nuclear facilities?

FFS. If anyone here stated that, I missed it and apologize for doing so. It is the manner in which the US intervened that I think is what some object to.

 

[Calliecake]

Who has ever said what you are claiming? I don’t recall anyone here stating that.

We got sucked into the dirty work. Do you not see that? I’m not trying to be argumentative.

We have between 40,000 and 50,000 US troops in the Middle East. Are you not concerned about their safety?

 

[monarch64]

I think it’s time for pie. Perhaps the sort offered in the film “The Help.”

 

[Un_Petit_Rayon_de_Soleil]

I am terrified about everything happening in the world. It is scary times. I was in the army and I am totally against it.

 

[monarch64]

I am terrified about everything happening in the world. It is scary times. I was in the army and I am totally against it.

Same. Also, I love your username!

 

[Calliecake]

I think a lot of us are feeling like you are @Un_Petit_Rayon_de_Soleil. It’s scary.

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

I think it's interesting that 72% of Israelis themselves want Their minister to resign and take responsibility. They do not want this done in their name.

72.5% of Israelis believe Netanyahu should take responsibility for Oct. 7 and resign

Israel Democracy Institute poll also finds similar percentage favors advancing to the second phase of the ceasefire-hostage release deal with Hamas

www.timesofisrael.com

Majority of Israelis Think PM Netanyahu Should Accept Responsibility for Oct 7 and Resign – Now or After the War

Around half of Israelis think that it's unlikely that President Trump will turn away from Israel, if he thinks its policies are not aligned with US interests, while close to 40% think chances are fairly high or high; 73% of the total sample support continuing with the second stage of the hostage...

en.idi.org.il

 

[Calliecake]

That is interesting @ItsMainelyYou. Thank you for posting this.

 

[Brigid]

Great post @ItsMainelyYou I shared a story (in a now deleted thread) about our Israeli friends with one family whose daughter met and fell in love with a Palestinian man, and are now engaged. This family is unnecessarily torn between two cultures that bring great culture and love BUT money and control has outweighed this.
And now the’ve moved to another country to unnecessarily shatter and destroy more lives, the whole situation is truely horrific; only small men create war!

 

[monarch64]

@Brigid i think you meant “only men create war” not small men.

 

[Avondale]

The strikes targeted Iranian nuclear and military sites and were triggered by Iran's violation of nuclear proliferation obligations as declared by the IAEA.

Israel viewed Iran's nuclear program as an existential threat and aimed to prevent it from developing nuclear weapons.

Not wanting Iran to have nuclear weapons - completely fair. I haven't heard a single country say "yeah, they should have nuclear bombs, let'em have'em". The question is, if this was the main goal, why not achieve it through diplomacy and a new deal?

We have to remember, the 2015 deal was working - while it was still fully in place and all countries were sticking to it. We have no way of knowing whether that would've remained so 10 years down the line, but for the first two Iran was compliant so we have to at the very least assume it's probable they remained compliant.

So what's the reason for abandoning the plans for a new deal? I have my guesses but they all place the blame on the current US administration.

Direct attacks and assassinations stemming from the Gaza war. For one.

This is probably the real reason, I think. This and all the years and decades of conflict before it that have poisoned the water, so to speak, beyond the point of no return. The destruction of Iran's nuclear programme is only part of the motivation that has been conveniently used and presented as the main motivation simply because it sits better in news headlines. But ultimately Israel wants to destabilise Iran, it wants to cripple Iran's military forces, it wants to see the regime fall. It seems that on this we agree on - this would be massively beneficial for Israel.

On the other hand, it's understandable that many US citizens aren't too enthusiastic about their country being dragged into a war they feel has nothing to do with them. After all, the current president did run a campaign heavily focused on peace (and on accusing the opposing candidate of being a warmonger, more or less). Expectations are definitely not being met here.

I also understand your position. I can see that you care deeply about Israel so it's natural to support any action undertaken in Israel's aid.

I also believe the world is a safer place now for everyone

I very much hope you're right but I'm wary. Yemen has already announced they would join with Iran. If others follow this example, things could get really ugly and start spilling beyond the region.

There's also Iran's threat of blocking the Strait of Hormuz. While there's an abundance of logical arguments for why that would be counter-productive even for Iran itself, if it were to actually happen, it would send oil prices skyrocketing. Even without that, oil prices are already climbing. Higher oil prices further stall the European economy and simultaneously boost the Russian one. As a European myself, the war in Ukraine is far more important to me, personally, and the threat of Russian aggression towers over Iran. The prolongation of that conflict is the exact opposite of making Europe safer.

I am also concerned about potential increase in terrorist activity both in the US and Europe. Things had finally settled somewhat, and now they could start again, the probability for which is sadly greater than the closure of the Strait of Hormuz. I don't think any of us would be feeling safer in that scenario.

The only way the world would be a safer place is if this ongoing conflict were to find a swift and resolute end, and I don't see that happening. I mean, when has it ever happened in the Middle East.

 

[Brigid]

@monarch64 I agree only men create war but I said “small men” deliberately as for me it’s about the size of their intellect, knowledge of the world along with emotional intelligence; without the need for power.

I don’t want to upset you but hope you are finding strength after Blanche