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Date: 1/27/2010 5:33:20 PM
Author: Maria D
There are many times when I easily spend more than a couple of hours reading online as I use online textbooks. I don''t have a problem with eye strain; maybe that''s just me. What does bug me is when I want to go back a couple of pages to see a diagram (math and physics books) and have to ''flip through'' electronically rather than physically leaf through a couple of sheets of paper.
That bugs me too about my Kindle, but I don''t have to do it often with leisurely reading.

And my eyes must be wimpy. They''re strained right now!

re: iPad name - it''s already a bit of a bomb. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-10442732-36.html?tag=rb_content;tabbedPromoUnitHolder . People are already wondering what''s next...the iTampon?

I''m sure Apple will take it all in stride...and the iPad will go with the flow.
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If I had money to burn I would get one... but since I don't, I think it's kind of pointless. "See here! You already have electronics that do all of this stuff, but here's one that does what you already have, but in a nifty package!" It could be nice on flights and stuff, but for now it's just another thing to haul around. I'll wait a couple years and see how it shakes out. Definitely needs more memory if you're gonna have anything on it. I'm not playing over $600 dollars for nifty.

ETA: I own a Macbook Pro, and an iPod, and lust after an iPhone, but I'm sticking with my kindle on this one.
 
The more I think about it, the more I hope they have improved some of the things that the iPhone has problems with (websites with flash anyone...)

I am pretty sure that if I get one, I''ll wait until v. 2 comes out- with the flash that works, a webcam AND camera
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.. and maybe a cool color.... lol But no really. I had the first iPhone when it first came out and what.. they''re already on v. 3!!!

The thing that really bothers me is that I am already paying $30 a month per iPhone in the house (FI and mine) and then I should pay another $30 for this? THen why have it on my iPhone if I"m going to view more things on the iMaxiPad than my phone? Unless AT&T comes out with an unlimited family DATA plan for iProducts, this is crazy expensive.. $1440 A YEAR for just the data on 2 iPhones and 2 iPads... pfft.

I still want one. But
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I used to be strictly PC, but now have an iMac, a MacBook Pro, and multiple iPods, including a Touch. I can''t believe how much I use the Touch. I didn''t want an iPhone because AT&T has crappy service in Seattle, but the Touch has turned out to be ridiculously useful for me. I use it every day and it has a really intuitive interface so I can figure out what I need to do without reading a manual. And a lot of the apps are great. I look at the screen a lot and for long stretches (um, the games are addictive) and I haven''t experienced eyestrain at all. I have some of my iPhoto slideshows on there and the photos look fabulous even in the small size. I have a Samsung Omnia smartphone for work, and it just drives me nuts because it''s a touch screen too but is so clunky and awkward to use, plus everything has these teeny tiny drop down menus.

The iPad will be something to use the same way as a netbook, but with a lot more options, or as a substitute for a laptop for some people. I can see reading the NYT in color on an iPad at the breakfast table instead of at my desk. And I can see reading a book on there much more than I can a Kindle. The look of a Kindle screen reminds me of computers back in the early days and sorry Kindle lovers but it makes every book look the same! I still prefer tangible books, but if I were to get an e-reader, it would probably be an iPad.

And Deco, I doubt they''ll ever do a stylist because they have apps (at least for the Touch) that let you write with your finger. The app I use was free and it''s quite good. And I won''t ever lose the cap for my finger!
 
Date: 1/27/2010 1:55:20 PM
Author: elledizzy5
This is what my DH had to say:

''steve jobs could release a pile of s***, and call it the ''iTurd'' and people would line up to buy 8''

Not far off from your iPoo... Tgal.
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I really think your DH was spot on...
 
i'm getting one - no questions. i've wanted something specifically this size for ages.

for me, size and weight is a real issue. i find tiny iphone sized keyboards just nightmarish to use. i *wont* use them, in fact, cause they just send me batty. and being unable to see whole pages sends me a bit nuts also. the iphone thing, for its size, is just untenable. ditto gphone, treo, blackberry, etcetcetc. i just cant use them.

so i carry my cell and my laptop EVERYWHERE - and with a bad back, i find the extra weight of the laptop really difficult. so...so far, i've been stuck. given that i want to keep in touch with family and friends in australia, i am often awake, in bed, in the middle of the night online. i'll lay on my back with the front edge of the computer sort of resting on my ribs. i've spent hundreds and hundreds of hours like this, and after a while, it hurts! this will be a god send for me - something i can SEE and USE but can actually CARRY.

this works for me - and i've already sent an email to 'the appropriate people' (ok, one person, really) letting them (him) know there will shortly be a $499 hole in the family budget. :D
 
So, I think I want one, but I was expecting it to come with the capabilities that one would find in a windows based tablet. Like, you can''t write on the screen, so it''s really not a tablet.
 
Hmm not for me, honestly. I prefer to get work done on my computer with a physical keyboard, and I don''t want to lug around yet another gadget.

TGal, I''m with you - Kindle is old school but in its niche market of e-readers, it''s just a better device because it isn''t fancy-schmancy. And for all the stuff the iPad does (seriously, marketing blunder??) I''d rather use my iPhone because I can stick in my pocket and go.

I''m personally waiting for the next Macbook Pro update so I can replace my Macbook, which is ever so slowly dying on me
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iThink iWon''t bother with it. Looks to me like it''s an iPhone without a phone.
 
There is a $$$wireless package$$$ too? Nonononononooooooo.

Peer pressure to spend more money on things I don't need and can't afford anyway!
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Date: 1/28/2010 8:37:07 AM
Author: Madam Bijoux
iThink iWon''t bother with it. Looks to me like it''s an iPhone without a phone.
yes!

I can also see myself being very clumsy with it.
 
add me to the list of people who find the word "pad" just too uncomfortable for a tech product
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Haha on the "pad" issue -- IBM (now Lenovo) has made Thinkpad computers for years. I have one and the feminine hygiene thing never occurred to me until now. I guess because it's front and center in the name Apple chose for their product?

Anyway, I definitely wouldn't buy this. I have a real tablet computer, that converts from looking like a regular laptop to being a flat surface you can write on with a stylus, and I love it. I've always been a Windows person, but if Apple had carried one when I was looking at computers, I'd have seriously considered it. That was 3 years ago, and Apple still doesn't have a real tablet. I like my iPhone but I won't buy an Apple computer for myself as long as they don't have a tablet you can write on. It's absolutely not the same to write with your finger, and for serious work (I take notes by hand in OneNote and annotate PDFs by hand all the time) there's no way I'd use anything other than a stylus pen. I guess Apple is aiming for fun over functionality, though.
 
Date: 1/27/2010 2:30:26 PM
Author: decodelighted
Wish there was a stylus that I could use to WRITE ON THE D*MN THING.
If it did that, I would definitely get it.

I need to see it and touch it to decide if it''s worth getting, but with a Macbook Air, an iPhone and a Kindle I think I am a-ok for now...
 
It just seems too big to carry around. I prefer the laptop or the iphone, but the combo just seems dumb.
 
This pretty much sums up my feelings: Kindle, meh. iPad, oooh.
 
I heard that Flash doesn''t work on this either.

No real opinon except to say that I would rather read a book on this than the Kindle. The Kindle just doesn''t do it for me. But I woudn''t buy it just for that- I am still okay with REAL books.
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I heard it''s supposed to be a "bed-side, couch-side" thing. So more for entertainment/leisure.
 
Really, I think it''s a different market than the Kindle. The Kindle is great for voracious readers like me: it''s for reading and nothing else. Which is what I want it to do. It''s not backlit so no eyestrain, it has crazy long battery life, it''s book-size (not too small to read on but not too big to carry around all the time), you have a HUGE selection of books, there''s no monthly data plan and you can download books wirelessly instantly. It''s a book reader. It''s not a game toy, it''s not a movie viewer, it''s not a (convenient) web browsing gadget, it''s *only* for reading.

The iPad is probably tempting for those people who come up to you when you''re reading your Kindle in public and ask "So, can you play games on that?" and give you a look of glazed horror when you say no, it''s just for reading books. There''s *lots* of them. I think die-hard readers who really don''t *want* a backlit screen, or to watch movies on their reader, or really to do anything except read on it, dammit, are fewer than the aforementioned non-readers.

As for me, between my nice new laptop, my Kindle, and my LG Dare phone, I have no use for it.
 
Date: 1/28/2010 2:58:54 PM
Author: LittleGreyKitten
Really, I think it's a different market than the Kindle. The Kindle is great for voracious readers like me: it's for reading and nothing else. Which is what I want it to do. It's not backlit so no eyestrain, it has crazy long battery life, it's book-size (not too small to read on but not too big to carry around all the time), you have a HUGE selection of books, there's no monthly data plan and you can download books wirelessly instantly. It's a book reader. It's not a game toy, it's not a movie viewer, it's not a (convenient) web browsing gadget, it's *only* for reading.


The iPad is probably tempting for those people who come up to you when you're reading your Kindle in public and ask 'So, can you play games on that?' and give you a look of glazed horror when you say no, it's just for reading books. There's *lots* of them. I think die-hard readers who really don't *want* a backlit screen, or to watch movies on their reader, or really to do anything except read on it, dammit, are fewer than the aforementioned non-readers.


As for me, between my nice new laptop, my Kindle, and my LG Dare phone, I have no use for it.

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ETA: I have an iPhone and I HATE finger smudges. I have a feeling the iPad would drive me bonkers because of that.
 
Date: 1/28/2010 2:58:54 PM
Author: LittleGreyKitten

The iPad is probably tempting for those people who come up to you when you''re reading your Kindle in public and ask ''So, can you play games on that?'' and give you a look of glazed horror when you say no, it''s just for reading books. There''s *lots* of them. I think die-hard readers who really don''t *want* a backlit screen, or to watch movies on their reader, or really to do anything except read on it, dammit, are fewer than the aforementioned non-readers.


As for me, between my nice new laptop, my Kindle, and my LG Dare phone, I have no use for it.

I dunno, my husband is a voracious reader but also loves his video games. Implying that people who want to use their electronic reader to also play a game or check their email are somehow "non-readers" is silly. DH was never interested in a Kindle because he likes actual books. The iPad piques his interest because it does more. If it were just a Kindle with a colorful backlit screen he wouldn''t want it just like he didn''t want a Kindle.

I find the anti-iPad sentiment coming from the Kindle owners interesting. I''ve never wanted an iPhone because I never felt the need to have my music collection on my phone and am not willing to pay extra for a data plan. But I''ve never felt the need to talk up my LG phone and say how it is better than an iPhone. Are Kindle users worried that the iPad may be a Kindle-killer? I don''t think it will. If anything it will encourage more innovation.

As for the name, which I found, um, interesting....my daughter reminded me of the Wii. The thinking when that came out was marketing mistake! There was even that ill-fated contest where people "held their wee for a Wii." And now the Wii is a marketing success story!
 
I would love one. But I would *really* love one that had a stylus so I could write on it. I think that''ll come at some point. Maybe by the time I can afford to buy it?

What I love about it is that it is a big iPhone, minus the phone. I *hate* cell phones. I have one but my average monthly useage is about 5 minutes. I use it to call to say I''m running late. I carry it in case my son''s school needs to reach me. That''s about it. I would love an iPhone but can''t justify it because I really hardly use a cell and it''s too small to use as a computer. I think the iPad is a great option for people like me.
 
Date: 1/28/2010 4:28:22 PM
Author: Maria D
Date: 1/28/2010 2:58:54 PM

Author: LittleGreyKitten


The iPad is probably tempting for those people who come up to you when you're reading your Kindle in public and ask 'So, can you play games on that?' and give you a look of glazed horror when you say no, it's just for reading books. There's *lots* of them. I think die-hard readers who really don't *want* a backlit screen, or to watch movies on their reader, or really to do anything except read on it, dammit, are fewer than the aforementioned non-readers.



As for me, between my nice new laptop, my Kindle, and my LG Dare phone, I have no use for it.


I dunno, my husband is a voracious reader but also loves his video games. Implying that people who want to use their electronic reader to also play a game or check their email are somehow 'non-readers' is silly. DH was never interested in a Kindle because he likes actual books. The iPad piques his interest because it does more. If it were just a Kindle with a colorful backlit screen he wouldn't want it just like he didn't want a Kindle.


I find the anti-iPad sentiment coming from the Kindle owners interesting. I've never wanted an iPhone because I never felt the need to have my music collection on my phone and am not willing to pay extra for a data plan. But I've never felt the need to talk up my LG phone and say how it is better than an iPhone. Are Kindle users worried that the iPad may be a Kindle-killer? I don't think it will. If anything it will encourage more innovation.


As for the name, which I found, um, interesting....my daughter reminded me of the Wii. The thinking when that came out was marketing mistake! There was even that ill-fated contest where people 'held their wee for a Wii.' And now the Wii is a marketing success story!

It's about priorities and niche markets, I think. And I have a Macbook (second Mac laptop actually), I have an iPhone, an iPod Touch, plus I've had 2 other iPods in the past. I love Apple. Like really love it (with the fervor of a convert since I used to be a PC girl). I also love my Kindle. I don't feel the need for something that tries to fill the role of both my iPhone (or I guess more accurately, the iPod Touch) and the Kindle and doesn't do as good a job at both e-reader and iPod Touch stuff as the separate gadgets do. Plus, for me, anyway, the iPad is totally redundant. Definitely don't need it for browsing/web surfing since I have my iPhone and my laptop, definitely don't need it for e-reading because I have my Kindle and my Kindle app on my iPhone.

I think there are people for whom the iPad will fill a great niche in their lives - those who don't necessarily need a dedicated e-reader device like the Kindle (for whatever reason - non-readers or those who just like paper books) but do need a lightweight and larger device for casual web surfing, videos, games, etc. But personally, I'm not one of them so the iPad is just so much expensive deadweight for me, you know? But again, that's because my niche market is different from those the iPad is targeted towards.

There's an interesting set of posts on the New York Times Bits Blog (can't post the link, sorry, due to forum rules). But it has 2 posts - one has 3 reasons why the iPad is a Kindle killer, and the other has 3 reasons why it's NOT a Kindle killer. I found both interesting and valid
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On the other hand, it overgeneralizes a bit, IMO, since it doesn't take into account exactly who the target market is. I'm not entirely sure it's accurate to say the iPad might be the "Kindle" killer - I don't think it's the same market that the device is targeted at, though obviously there will be a crossover section of consumers?
 
I''m just disappointed that they didn''t come out with a processor update for the macbook pros. I want one, but I''m waiting for the new chip technology.
 
Date: 1/28/2010 5:12:11 PM
Author: ladypirate
I''m just disappointed that they didn''t come out with a processor update for the macbook pros. I want one, but I''m waiting for the new chip technology.

I was checking about that - I hope it''s going to be early 2010. At least, I think that''s what Mac Buyers Guide is predicting - Mac Buyers Guide
 
I was really surprised to see a $130 extra cost if you want it to work on 3G. So you''ll spend $499 for the base device, plus $130, plus monthly data? I think not...
 
Date: 1/28/2010 5:10:15 PM
Author: Brown.Eyed.Girl

Date: 1/28/2010 4:28:22 PM
Author: Maria D

Date: 1/28/2010 2:58:54 PM

Author: LittleGreyKitten


The iPad is probably tempting for those people who come up to you when you''re reading your Kindle in public and ask ''So, can you play games on that?'' and give you a look of glazed horror when you say no, it''s just for reading books. There''s *lots* of them. I think die-hard readers who really don''t *want* a backlit screen, or to watch movies on their reader, or really to do anything except read on it, dammit, are fewer than the aforementioned non-readers.



As for me, between my nice new laptop, my Kindle, and my LG Dare phone, I have no use for it.


I dunno, my husband is a voracious reader but also loves his video games. Implying that people who want to use their electronic reader to also play a game or check their email are somehow ''non-readers'' is silly. DH was never interested in a Kindle because he likes actual books. The iPad piques his interest because it does more. If it were just a Kindle with a colorful backlit screen he wouldn''t want it just like he didn''t want a Kindle.


I find the anti-iPad sentiment coming from the Kindle owners interesting. I''ve never wanted an iPhone because I never felt the need to have my music collection on my phone and am not willing to pay extra for a data plan. But I''ve never felt the need to talk up my LG phone and say how it is better than an iPhone. Are Kindle users worried that the iPad may be a Kindle-killer? I don''t think it will. If anything it will encourage more innovation.


As for the name, which I found, um, interesting....my daughter reminded me of the Wii. The thinking when that came out was marketing mistake! There was even that ill-fated contest where people ''held their wee for a Wii.'' And now the Wii is a marketing success story!

It''s about priorities and niche markets, I think. And I have a Macbook (second Mac laptop actually), I have an iPhone, an iPod Touch, plus I''ve had 2 other iPods in the past. I love Apple. Like really love it (with the fervor of a convert since I used to be a PC girl). I also love my Kindle. I don''t feel the need for something that tries to fill the role of both my iPhone (or I guess more accurately, the iPod Touch) and the Kindle and doesn''t do as good a job at both e-reader and iPod Touch stuff as the separate gadgets do. Plus, for me, anyway, the iPad is totally redundant. Definitely don''t need it for browsing/web surfing since I have my iPhone and my laptop, definitely don''t need it for e-reading because I have my Kindle and my Kindle app on my iPhone.

I think there are people for whom the iPad will fill a great niche in their lives - those who don''t necessarily need a dedicated e-reader device like the Kindle (for whatever reason - non-readers or those who just like paper books) but do need a lightweight and larger device for casual web surfing, videos, games, etc. But personally, I''m not one of them so the iPad is just so much expensive deadweight for me, you know? But again, that''s because my niche market is different from those the iPad is targeted towards.

There''s an interesting set of posts on the New York Times Bits Blog (can''t post the link, sorry, due to forum rules). But it has 2 posts - one has 3 reasons why the iPad is a Kindle killer, and the other has 3 reasons why it''s NOT a Kindle killer. I found both interesting and valid
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On the other hand, it overgeneralizes a bit, IMO, since it doesn''t take into account exactly who the target market is. I''m not entirely sure it''s accurate to say the iPad might be the ''Kindle'' killer - I don''t think it''s the same market that the device is targeted at, though obviously there will be a crossover section of consumers?
I read that article BEG, and thought it was interesting.

I think choices are always a good thing. I don''t think this product is going to make an awesome e-reader, but obviously I haven''t seen it in person yet. If I were into anything else beside books, I''d be very interested in this. It''s a cool idea, and I think people are right in that it''s great for "bedside" time. I don''t watch TV or movies, and when I read I certainly don''t want to be bothered by email, so I am the perfect niche for the Kindle.

I don''t think the iPad will be a Kindle Killer, but I DO think that is a valid (if not slightly illogical) concern for Kindle lovers. No one wants to see an expensive product turn into a brick, especially when it has revolutionized reading for so many people. Many Kindle owners have bought tons of books which are useless if something happens to the Kindle. This is probably a great argument NOT to buy a Kindle, but for now, the Kindle is IMHO the best option out there for an ereading device. It''s quite different from comparing the concerns that happen if iPad kills the Kindle vs iPhone killing the LG phone.
 
Date: 1/28/2010 5:30:13 PM
Author: EricaR
I was really surprised to see a $130 extra cost if you want it to work on 3G. So you''ll spend $499 for the base device, plus $130, plus monthly data? I think not...

I pay so much for my phone/data plan already through AT&T that I don''t think I could justify the extra data plan cost for the iPad. I''m a poor student...
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Date: 1/28/2010 5:49:04 PM
Author: TravelingGal
Date: 1/28/2010 5:10:15 PM

Author: Brown.Eyed.Girl


Date: 1/28/2010 4:28:22 PM

Author: Maria D


Date: 1/28/2010 2:58:54 PM


Author: LittleGreyKitten



The iPad is probably tempting for those people who come up to you when you''re reading your Kindle in public and ask ''So, can you play games on that?'' and give you a look of glazed horror when you say no, it''s just for reading books. There''s *lots* of them. I think die-hard readers who really don''t *want* a backlit screen, or to watch movies on their reader, or really to do anything except read on it, dammit, are fewer than the aforementioned non-readers.




As for me, between my nice new laptop, my Kindle, and my LG Dare phone, I have no use for it.



I dunno, my husband is a voracious reader but also loves his video games. Implying that people who want to use their electronic reader to also play a game or check their email are somehow ''non-readers'' is silly. DH was never interested in a Kindle because he likes actual books. The iPad piques his interest because it does more. If it were just a Kindle with a colorful backlit screen he wouldn''t want it just like he didn''t want a Kindle.



I find the anti-iPad sentiment coming from the Kindle owners interesting. I''ve never wanted an iPhone because I never felt the need to have my music collection on my phone and am not willing to pay extra for a data plan. But I''ve never felt the need to talk up my LG phone and say how it is better than an iPhone. Are Kindle users worried that the iPad may be a Kindle-killer? I don''t think it will. If anything it will encourage more innovation.



As for the name, which I found, um, interesting....my daughter reminded me of the Wii. The thinking when that came out was marketing mistake! There was even that ill-fated contest where people ''held their wee for a Wii.'' And now the Wii is a marketing success story!


It''s about priorities and niche markets, I think. And I have a Macbook (second Mac laptop actually), I have an iPhone, an iPod Touch, plus I''ve had 2 other iPods in the past. I love Apple. Like really love it (with the fervor of a convert since I used to be a PC girl). I also love my Kindle. I don''t feel the need for something that tries to fill the role of both my iPhone (or I guess more accurately, the iPod Touch) and the Kindle and doesn''t do as good a job at both e-reader and iPod Touch stuff as the separate gadgets do. Plus, for me, anyway, the iPad is totally redundant. Definitely don''t need it for browsing/web surfing since I have my iPhone and my laptop, definitely don''t need it for e-reading because I have my Kindle and my Kindle app on my iPhone.


I think there are people for whom the iPad will fill a great niche in their lives - those who don''t necessarily need a dedicated e-reader device like the Kindle (for whatever reason - non-readers or those who just like paper books) but do need a lightweight and larger device for casual web surfing, videos, games, etc. But personally, I''m not one of them so the iPad is just so much expensive deadweight for me, you know? But again, that''s because my niche market is different from those the iPad is targeted towards.


There''s an interesting set of posts on the New York Times Bits Blog (can''t post the link, sorry, due to forum rules). But it has 2 posts - one has 3 reasons why the iPad is a Kindle killer, and the other has 3 reasons why it''s NOT a Kindle killer. I found both interesting and valid
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On the other hand, it overgeneralizes a bit, IMO, since it doesn''t take into account exactly who the target market is. I''m not entirely sure it''s accurate to say the iPad might be the ''Kindle'' killer - I don''t think it''s the same market that the device is targeted at, though obviously there will be a crossover section of consumers?
I read that article BEG, and thought it was interesting.


I think choices are always a good thing. I don''t think this product is going to make an awesome e-reader, but obviously I haven''t seen it in person yet. If I were into anything else beside books, I''d be very interested in this. It''s a cool idea, and I think people are right in that it''s great for ''bedside'' time. I don''t watch TV or movies, and when I read I certainly don''t want to be bothered by email, so I am the perfect niche for the Kindle.


I don''t think the iPad will be a Kindle Killer, but I DO think that is a valid (if not slightly illogical) concern for Kindle lovers. No one wants to see an expensive product turn into a brick, especially when it has revolutionized reading for so many people. Many Kindle owners have bought tons of books which are useless if something happens to the Kindle. This is probably a great argument NOT to buy a Kindle, but for now, the Kindle is IMHO the best option out there for an ereading device. It''s quite different from comparing the concerns that happen if iPad kills the Kindle vs iPhone killing the LG phone.

Very true, TGal. That is the really crappy thing about the Kindle - I''m basically locked into the Kindle and future updates because the e-book files won''t transfer over to another device. That is what I like about the iPad, Sony E-reader, the Nook, etc. - I think all of those use the more standard epub format?
 
Date: 1/28/2010 6:05:54 PM
Author: Brown.Eyed.Girl


Very true, TGal. That is the really crappy thing about the Kindle - I''m basically locked into the Kindle and future updates because the e-book files won''t transfer over to another device. That is what I like about the iPad, Sony E-reader, the Nook, etc. - I think all of those use the more standard epub format?
Yes. I would be very surprised if Kindle didn''t change that, but I don''t know much about how it all works.

I personally don''t care what happens to old books. I pretty much feel I buy to read them and forget about it. Almost like renting, I guess. I never reread and don''t lend out books because my friends don''t really read.
 
I love my iPhone, but I have a PC latop, and I can't see ever buying the iPad. But obviously I'm not in the niche market to whom they are marketing this product.

(Accidentally called it iTab.)
 
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