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In need of some advice. Have really short time frame.

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Yoyi

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Hi all. I bumped into this forum and have been frantically reading for the past few days. In the end I have found a price to diamond that is within my budget. The ring itself will have to be very basic at least for now as I want to be able to spend as much as possible on the diamond itself. Ideally I am planing for Sunday but I am really afraid I might not be able to get the stone set on the ring in time if I get them together. So as a last resort I was thinking of proposing with the diamond and going out to a jeweler to find an actual ring she might like. (I really don't know if this is a horrible idea but I digress)

I am really stuck trying to choose between a couple of the diamonds I have found.

http://www.uniondiamond.com/Round-Brilliant-Shape-IDEAL-Cut-GIA-Certified-054-Carat-I-Color-SI1-Clarity_AE0645264

From what I have read the depth and table of this one are closer to what would be ideal.

But this one is a tad bigger in size.

http://www.uniondiamond.com/Round-Brilliant-Shape-IDEAL-Cut-GIA-Certified-054-Carat-I-Color-SI1-Clarity_AE0629135


My budget for the whole ring ideally would stay under $1500, the good thing is that she actually loves plain settings so those might be a bit lower in price. I am not sure if uniondiamond offers any kind of upgrade possibility in the future though.

Any advice you guys can give is extremelly appreciate it as I really feel completely overwhelmed, although this site has helped me quite a bit in narrowing things down.
 
No, neither of those is really great. Are you dealing with Union diamond? Do they have these stones in house? I ask that because if they are not, they are going to have trouble getting the diamond and having it set and to you by Saturday, I would think. If you are working with them and the stones are there, I can help you find a better one. But I think it is best to buy a stone that is in-house that provides pictures at least.
 
Sakuracherry|1366684835|3432639 said:
I'd put this diamond in their cheapest white gold setting.

http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.54-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-122790


I wouldn't buy from Union Diamond since they don't provide any pictures and their prices are not the best.
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I definitely think pictures are valuable. And this one does show black inclusions under the table which is why I wouldn't buy an SI clarity stone without pictures. But I think we can find a cleaner SI1, don't you Sakuracherry?
 
I actually was looking for a stone for a pendant, and inquired about this stone. JA confirmed that the stone is eye-clean from a normal viewing distance. That's why I recommended that particular stone. I'm sure there are cleaner stones out there. Let's see if I can find a better one.
 
Thank you so much for the replies and help.

Are SI1 really that visible to the eye or is it just in this specific case/photos?


No, neither of those is really great. Are you dealing with Union diamond? Do they have these stones in house? I ask that because if they are not, they are going to have trouble getting the diamond and having it set and to you by Saturday, I would think. If you are working with them and the stones are there, I can help you find a better one. But I think it is best to buy a stone that is in-house that provides pictures at least.
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No I was just looking around an I am fairly clueless to what I am doing :oops: :cry:
 
The only problem with JA is that they also do not have all their stones in-house. Some are in another country! But I understand why you posted it since you asked about that particular stone!

For the fastest service, I choose one of these (and both are outstanding) because they have them in-house and just maybe can get it to you in time:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2914775.htm ($1037 pricescope/wire discounts)

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2914770.htm ($1359 " ...a little above budget with the setting)

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2914770.htm ($339)

Some SI clarity stones are eyeclean and some are not. The two above say they are.
 
Sakuracherry|1366686073|3432664 said:
http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.51-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-211535

This one does not look bad. I wish you had a little more time because it takes a few days to get idealscope images from JA. Although I love WF, I think JA is a better choice for people on a budget sometimes. I guess it's up to you. You cannot go wrong with any WF stone DS posted above.
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Sunday was the ideal date but I am starting to really think this might take a bit more time to actually pull off favorably.
 
I don't think that's really noticeable. I believe a simple solitaire will look nice on anyone's finger.
 
Yoyi|1366686251|3432667 said:
Does the .2mm difference in size make a huge difference? I believe her ring size is 7, 7.5. I think...hope...
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I was in the same boat, debating a 0.2mm difference on a 0.655ct stone, 7.25 finger size. My WF rep commented that 0.1mm is the thickness of a regular sheet of copy paper, so probably not noticeable, but at the lower sizes like ours, without sacrificing anything major, every little bit counts!
 
I don't think so. You also have to think about the price difference of the cheapest solitaire settings between WF and JA. A simple white gold solitaire setting costs $350 at WF and $180 at JA.

The ACA from WF will perform wonderfully. The numbers of the JA stone look good, however, we don't know for sure if it is a great performing stone or not. The JA stone has less tint for sure, though.
 
Thanks so much for all the help!

I am still completely overwhelmed. I was trying to shoot for sunday because she is out of town getting surgery done on her foot and she will be back on sunday, we have been together for 8 years next monday and it seemed perfect.


Is there an astronomical difference between an I and a J if you go with an ideal cut?
 
That's wonderful! She'll be very happy when you propose! I guess it's up to you. If you decide to wait a little, I'd definitely ask for idealscope images of a few JA stones. If you still want to propose this Sunday, I'd contact WF tomorrow and order on of the stones DS posted above.
 
I've read that sometimes AGS could be loose when grading color. I'm sure that the GIA I is whiter than AGS J, but maybe you won't be able to tell the difference if you're not color sensitive.
 
I don't know how many people can detect the difference between an ACA and am ES. Call WF and ask why the ES Dione missed the ACA cutline. If I were you, I'd probably go for the bigger and whiter ES.
 
04diamond<3|1366690847|3432720 said:
I'd put these on hold and at least request ideal scope images and ask JA how much of a discount they're offering on these stones. They both face up pretty white and are larger than other things you've been shown:

http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.68-carat-k-color-vvs1-clarity-very-good-cut-sku-139334

http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.62-carat-k-color-vvs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-211177
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Thank you so much, will do. What do you mean by discount though?
 
James Allen gives discounts to Price Scope members. How color sensitive are you and your girlfriend? I probably wouldn't get a K for myself, but if you are fine with a slight tint, go for it.
 
Sakuracherry|1366691810|3432728 said:
James Allen gives discounts to Price Scope members. How color sensitive are you and your girlfriend? I probably wouldn't get a K for myself, but if you are fine with a slight tint, go for it.
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Not too sure about color sensitive, I pick up colors quite easily, not too sure about her, what I liked about the two 04diamond<3 posted is the VVS and carat for the price. But just spoke with JA chat and they take 3-4 days to process an ideal scope request.

So far the .6 I SI1 from WF is close to the top of the list, although the .503 has a better cut but it's a J . Even if I can't get a setting, that is something we might be able to find together. It really sucks that WF sells them so much higher than everywhere else hehe.

I really appreciate all the help you guys have given me so far.
 
I have an ES diamond from WF. It missed the ACA because of the crown angle. However, it's an H&A and I love it. The 0.6 looks really nice. Call WF tomorrow and keep us updated.
 
Will do, thank you so much :)
 
Yoyi|1366692498|3432735 said:
Sakuracherry|1366691810|3432728 said:
James Allen gives discounts to Price Scope members. How color sensitive are you and your girlfriend? I probably wouldn't get a K for myself, but if you are fine with a slight tint, go for it.
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Not too sure about color sensitive, I pick up colors quite easily, not too sure about her, what I liked about the two 04diamond<3 posted is the VVS and carat for the price. But just spoke with JA chat and they take 3-4 days to process an ideal scope request.
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IMO it can be well worth the wait. You get more for your money and could end up with a stone that performs just the same or sometimes better. I'd also ask their gemologist to give you an honest opinion on the color. They'll be honest with you.
 
04diamond<3|1366693317|3432739 said:
Yoyi|1366692498|3432735 said:
Sakuracherry|1366691810|3432728 said:
James Allen gives discounts to Price Scope members. How color sensitive are you and your girlfriend? I probably wouldn't get a K for myself, but if you are fine with a slight tint, go for it.
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Not too sure about color sensitive, I pick up colors quite easily, not too sure about her, what I liked about the two 04diamond<3 posted is the VVS and carat for the price. But just spoke with JA chat and they take 3-4 days to process an ideal scope request.
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IMO it can be well worth the wait. You get more for your money and could end up with a stone that performs just the same or sometimes better. I'd also ask their gemologist to give you an honest opinion on the color. They'll be honest with you.
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I will shoot them a call tomorrow morning first thing and ask about that :)
 
Sakuracherry|1366685318|3432653 said:
I actually was looking for a stone for a pendant, and inquired about this stone. JA confirmed that the stone is eye-clean from a normal viewing distance. That's why I recommended that particular stone. I'm sure there are cleaner stones out there. Let's see if I can find a better one.

http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.54-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-122790
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With that one, the AGS0 pretty much guarantees its a great performer so it's safe even without an idealscope. if JA have it in house maybe they could double check its eye clean from various distances?



Maybe you can also take a look at these two (both AGS0), and they should be in house.
http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.59-carat-j-color-vs2-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-178773
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2890090.htm#
 
Thanks so much for those. I think that is the .6 i was looking into in WF but I had not seen that JA one.
 
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