In love with BGD''s "Grace" setting, should I consider anything else?

[mrssalvo]

fixed the link for butterfly:

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/another-fork-please-my-experience-with-23rd-street-jewelers.100607/page-2

and here are a couple pics of Dem''s ring.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Well Dem''s ring looks like the other two as well! Seem like there is more than one exact copy

I like all three. I think the shank is different on the BGD one, and I think the basket looks different on Dem''s, if we are using the Leon as the benchmark. Which I don''t know if we should given that there are probably other versions out there, somewhere, in the history of ringdom.

 

[Laila619]

The Leon looks the most fluid to me...like liquid platinum!

I''m guessing because it''s hand made instead of CAD?

 

[blondie23]

Also, I think it should be known that Leon's "original" solitaire is a VERY VERY VERY similar design to the Cartier 1895. I only say this because I own a Leon original, a Cartier 1895, and BGD's Grace. They ALL look similar, though the Grace does not have the shank touching the basket. I'm pretty sure Cartier was around long before LM and BGD. In any case, there really is no "original" idea.

Personally, BGD Grace is my FAVORITE setting so far.

 

[mrssalvo]

Date: 1/27/2010 11:56:05 AM
Author: blondie23
Also, I think it should be known that Leon''s ''original'' solitaire is a VERY VERY VERY similar design to the Cartier 1895. I only say this because I own a Leon original, a Cartier 1895, and BGD''s Grace. They ALL look similar, though the Grace does not have the shank touching the basket. I''m pretty sure Cartier was around long before LM and BGD. In any case, there really is no ''original'' idea.


Personally, BGD Grace is my FAVORITE setting so far.

Leon''s ring and 23rd''s don''t have the cathedral (shank touching the basket) either. that is what make''s them different from the cartier. It''s the tiny details that create enough of a difference that might give the creator a copyright on the design. tacori''s are copyrighted even though many of their design elements were seen in antique rings. tacori has won lawsuits against jewelers knocking them off.

 

[blondie23]

Date: 1/27/2010 2:07:05 PM
Author: mrssalvo

Date: 1/27/2010 11:56:05 AM

Author: blondie23

Also, I think it should be known that Leon''s ''original'' solitaire is a VERY VERY VERY similar design to the Cartier 1895. I only say this because I own a Leon original, a Cartier 1895, and BGD''s Grace. They ALL look similar, though the Grace does not have the shank touching the basket. I''m pretty sure Cartier was around long before LM and BGD. In any case, there really is no ''original'' idea.



Personally, BGD Grace is my FAVORITE setting so far.

Leon''s ring and 23rd''s don''t have the cathedral (shank touching the basket) either. that is what make''s them different from the cartier. It''s the tiny details that create enough of a difference that might give the creator a copyright on the design. tacori''s are copyrighted even though many of their design elements were seen in antique rings. tacori has won lawsuits against jewelers knocking them off.

Right, I was just saying that my Leon DOES have a cathedral touching the basket and it looks strikingly similar to my Cartier. I just wanted to point out that even though BGD may be "ripping off" LM, LM ripped off some of his designs too. Nothing is truly original.

 

[mrssalvo]

Date: 1/27/2010 2:51:45 PM
Author: blondie23

Date: 1/27/2010 2:07:05 PM

Author: mrssalvo

Date: 1/27/2010 11:56:05 AM


Author: blondie23


Also, I think it should be known that Leon''s ''original'' solitaire is a VERY VERY VERY similar design to the Cartier 1895. I only say this because I own a Leon original, a Cartier 1895, and BGD''s Grace. They ALL look similar, though the Grace does not have the shank touching the basket. I''m pretty sure Cartier was around long before LM and BGD. In any case, there really is no ''original'' idea.




Personally, BGD Grace is my FAVORITE setting so far.

Leon''s ring and 23rd''s don''t have the cathedral (shank touching the basket) either. that is what make''s them different from the cartier. It''s the tiny details that create enough of a difference that might give the creator a copyright on the design. tacori''s are copyrighted even though many of their design elements were seen in antique rings. tacori has won lawsuits against jewelers knocking them off.

Right, I was just saying that my Leon DOES have a cathedral touching the basket and it looks strikingly similar to my Cartier. I just wanted to point out that even though BGD may be ''ripping off'' LM, LM ripped off some of his designs too. Nothing is truly original.

ah, okay, I get it. there are however designers who have created things that are considered to be original and if they are reproduced it would be considered illegal. that''s all I''m saying.

 

[puravida]

I''m glad the issue of similar looking settings came up because that''s exactly the advice I was looking for.

When I "compare" the Grace setting by BGD to LM''s (i.e. LE''s LM) and to Dem''s, I see the following differences:

-the band on the LM ring and Dem''s *might* seem a bit rounder than the BGD

-the "donut" on the LM on his website pic looks smaller than on the real life pics of the ring on people''s hands
-the "donut" on LE''s LM seems larger on LE''s ring that on LM''s website photo
-the "donut" on LE''s seems thinner than the BGD

-the piece that runs through the basket (half way between the donut and the prong tips) seems thicker on Dem''s than the LM and BGD which seem to be about similar thickness

-the prong tips on the LM (his websit and LE''s ring) seem finer? thinner? pointier? than the BGD
-prong tips on Dem''s *seem* most similar to BGD''s

Any other differences that can be put into words?

 

[blondie23]

Date: 1/27/2010 3:46:26 PM
Author: mrssalvo

Date: 1/27/2010 2:51:45 PM

Author: blondie23

Date: 1/27/2010 2:07:05 PM


Author: mrssalvo

Date: 1/27/2010 11:56:05 AM



Author: blondie23



Also, I think it should be known that Leon''s ''original'' solitaire is a VERY VERY VERY similar design to the Cartier 1895. I only say this because I own a Leon original, a Cartier 1895, and BGD''s Grace. They ALL look similar, though the Grace does not have the shank touching the basket. I''m pretty sure Cartier was around long before LM and BGD. In any case, there really is no ''original'' idea.





Personally, BGD Grace is my FAVORITE setting so far.

Leon''s ring and 23rd''s don''t have the cathedral (shank touching the basket) either. that is what make''s them different from the cartier. It''s the tiny details that create enough of a difference that might give the creator a copyright on the design. tacori''s are copyrighted even though many of their design elements were seen in antique rings. tacori has won lawsuits against jewelers knocking them off.

Right, I was just saying that my Leon DOES have a cathedral touching the basket and it looks strikingly similar to my Cartier. I just wanted to point out that even though BGD may be ''ripping off'' LM, LM ripped off some of his designs too. Nothing is truly original.

ah, okay, I get it. there are however designers who have created things that are considered to be original and if they are reproduced it would be considered illegal. that''s all I''m saying.

Right, I think we''re saying the same thing here

 

[puravida]

blondie23: I just realized that you wrote that you own all those three similar and gorgeous settings!

Lucky you!

 

[waterlilly]

Hi Puravida,

If you are still considering a bezel, you have to check out this thread:

bezel pics

enjoy!

 

[Stone Hunter]

I went from a set that fit flush to one with a gap. It does not feel odd or like the ring is going to slide off.

Go for it!!

HTH

 

[mrssalvo]

Date: 1/27/2010 11:40:35 PM
Author: SanDiegoLady
I for one, look forward to my future Grace in a 2.5mm custom width.. it will in fact, be gorgeous and not created by someone else. I happen to love Brian''s talent and their customer service is impeccible, Lesley is not less than completely lovely.

ooo, SDL, I didn''t know about this new development! is there a thread somewhere? details woman!!

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 1/27/2010 11:40:35 PM
Author: SanDiegoLady
I for one, look forward to my future Grace in a 2.5mm custom width.. it will in fact, be gorgeous and not created by someone else. I happen to love Brian's talent and their customer service is impeccible, Lesley is not less than completely lovely.

SDL, I likes the sounds of a 2.5mm shank..and I agree completely re. talent and cust. service of BGD (not to mention more budget-friendly)..
personally the very thin shanks don't seem to suit me..I'm thinking even 3mm could work nicely - especially with a YG shank.....

...

 

[gemgirl]

Date: 1/28/2010 12:00:59 PM
Author: arjunajane

Date: 1/27/2010 11:40:35 PM
Author: SanDiegoLady
I for one, look forward to my future Grace in a 2.5mm custom width.. it will in fact, be gorgeous and not created by someone else. I happen to love Brian''s talent and their customer service is impeccible, Lesley is not less than completely lovely.

SDL, I likes the sounds of a 2.5mm shank..and I agree completely re. talent and cust. service of BGD (not to mention more budget-friendly)..
personally the very thin shanks don''t seem to suit me..I''m thinking even 3mm could work nicely - especially with a YG shank.....

...

I have to agree that B&L''s customer service is second to none.

I''m also not a big fan of very small shanks and I''d prefer something closer to 3mm also. In fact this post has given me reason to ask a few more questions before I place an order for a diamond band to go with my solitaire. I''m hoping for a finished product that''s between 2.75mm and 3mm.

 

[wsblue430]

Lets see those Grace ring pics! Blondie will you be posting some pics & hand shots? Lynn is working on hers! so excited to see more!

 

[LtlFirecracker]

I am actually looking at the Grace too.

I can tell you my temp setting is 2 mm and I think that is perfect. I would not want it any thinner or thicker. I think the Leon setting would be to thin for me. I like Leon''s prongs better than the BG ring, but I like the shank on the BG better.

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 1/28/2010 12:20:36 PM
Author: gemgirl

Date: 1/28/2010 12:00:59 PM

Author: arjunajane

Date: 1/27/2010 11:40:35 PM

Author: SanDiegoLady

I for one, look forward to my future Grace in a 2.5mm custom width.. it will in fact, be gorgeous and not created by someone else. I happen to love Brian''s talent and their customer service is impeccible, Lesley is not less than completely lovely.

SDL, I likes the sounds of a 2.5mm shank..and I agree completely re. talent and cust. service of BGD (not to mention more budget-friendly)..

personally the very thin shanks don''t seem to suit me..I''m thinking even 3mm could work nicely - especially with a YG shank.....

...

I have to agree that B&L''s customer service is second to none.


I''m also not a big fan of very small shanks and I''d prefer something closer to 3mm also. In fact this post has given me reason to ask a few more questions before I place an order for a diamond band to go with my solitaire. I''m hoping for a finished product that''s between 2.75mm and 3mm.

Sounds lovely GG!
although, what exactly are you setting woman? Not even a hint?!

Can you possibly let me know Brian''s f/b on making the shank thicker? I''d be interested in his opinion - it seems I too could also soon join the Grace camp..

By the way, for the yellow gold lovers out there like me, the new BG site is really cool as for each setting you can select metal type and see it in plat, two tone etc..rose gold soon to come too..fun!



Puravida to answer your original question if its the setting you love than go for it.
It is a lovely design and looks very nicely made - not that it really matters, but personally I prefer the BGD one to the LM one as I don''t like extremely delicate rings (on my own hands - nice on others though.).

Plus, as mentioned, B&L''s Customer service is second to none; I don''t think you can go wrong here.

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 1/27/2010 3:46:26 PM
Author: mrssalvo

Date: 1/27/2010 2:51:45 PM

Author: blondie23

Date: 1/27/2010 2:07:05 PM


Author: mrssalvo

Date: 1/27/2010 11:56:05 AM



Author: blondie23



Also, I think it should be known that Leon''s ''original'' solitaire is a VERY VERY VERY similar design to the Cartier 1895. I only say this because I own a Leon original, a Cartier 1895, and BGD''s Grace. They ALL look similar, though the Grace does not have the shank touching the basket. I''m pretty sure Cartier was around long before LM and BGD. In any case, there really is no ''original'' idea.





Personally, BGD Grace is my FAVORITE setting so far.

Leon''s ring and 23rd''s don''t have the cathedral (shank touching the basket) either. that is what make''s them different from the cartier. It''s the tiny details that create enough of a difference that might give the creator a copyright on the design. tacori''s are copyrighted even though many of their design elements were seen in antique rings. tacori has won lawsuits against jewelers knocking them off.

Right, I was just saying that my Leon DOES have a cathedral touching the basket and it looks strikingly similar to my Cartier. I just wanted to point out that even though BGD may be ''ripping off'' LM, LM ripped off some of his designs too. Nothing is truly original.

ah, okay, I get it. there are however designers who have created things that are considered to be original and if they are reproduced it would be considered illegal. that''s all I''m saying.

Mrs - I know from my own custom experience with BGD, that Brian would not create a setting that infringed on someone''s copyright or original design.

I know this because the setting I had made bared a resemblance to another designers'', and there were numerous back and forth discussions about altering it significantly so that it could not be viewed an imitation at all - this fact was very important to Brian (and to I).

So, either Leon''s version of a basic four prong straight bar solitaire is simply not original/not copyrighted/is considered in the public domain/or there are enough differences in the Grace for it not to matter - or, there are other factors at play we are not privy to.

Frankly, I do not think it is fair to imply in public that BG would knowingly infringe on an original design or otherwise act illegally.
that''s all I''m saying

 

[icekid]

Date: 1/28/2010 9:53:53 PM
Author: LtlFirecracker
I am actually looking at the Grace too.


I can tell you my temp setting is 2 mm and I think that is perfect. I would not want it any thinner or thicker. I think the Leon setting would be to thin for me. I like Leon''s prongs better than the BG ring, but I like the shank on the BG better.

Ltl- You can always ask Leon to make the shank 2 mm. Don''t see why he would not be happy to comply

 

[mrssalvo]

Date: 1/30/2010 7:35:03 AM
Author: arjunajane


Mrs - I know from my own custom experience with BGD, that Brian would not create a setting that infringed on someone's copyright or original design.


I know this because the setting I had made bared a resemblance to another designers', and there were numerous back and forth discussions about altering it significantly so that it could not be viewed an imitation at all - this fact was very important to Brian (and to I).


So, either Leon's version of a basic four prong straight bar solitaire is simply not original/not copyrighted/is considered in the public domain/or there are enough differences in the Grace for it not to matter - or, there are other factors at play we are not privy to.


Frankly, I do not think it is fair to imply in public that BG would knowingly infringe on an original design or otherwise act illegally.

that's all I'm saying

arj, i wasn't implying that at all. I was actually the one that said "I'm sure they took the necessary steps to insure they were not violating any copyrights." back on the first page of this thread and also brought up the possible "public domain" I was only trying to clarify to the OP whom seemed to be under the impression that Brian and Lynn were the one's to create an orginal design, that was all.

I went on to explain how rings can be and are infringed upon. I'm sorry if it wasn't clear. I do not think Brian violated any copyright at all with this particular design.

 

[mrssalvo]

Date: 1/30/2010 1:24:45 PM
Author: SanDiegoLady

I am sooooo excited for you. It will be as fabulous as you are!

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 1/30/2010 1:38:46 PM
Author: mrssalvo

Date: 1/30/2010 7:35:03 AM

Author: arjunajane



Mrs - I know from my own custom experience with BGD, that Brian would not create a setting that infringed on someone''s copyright or original design.



I know this because the setting I had made bared a resemblance to another designers'', and there were numerous back and forth discussions about altering it significantly so that it could not be viewed an imitation at all - this fact was very important to Brian (and to I).



So, either Leon''s version of a basic four prong straight bar solitaire is simply not original/not copyrighted/is considered in the public domain/or there are enough differences in the Grace for it not to matter - or, there are other factors at play we are not privy to.



Frankly, I do not think it is fair to imply in public that BG would knowingly infringe on an original design or otherwise act illegally.


that''s all I''m saying

arj, i wasn''t implying that at all. I was actually the one that said ''I''m sure they took the necessary steps to insure they were not violating any copyrights.'' back on the first page of this thread and also brought up the possible ''public domain'' I was only trying to clarify to the OP whom seemed to be under the impression that Brian and Lynn were the one''s to create an orginal design, that was all.

I went on to explain how rings can be and are infringed upon. I''m sorry if it wasn''t clear. I do not think Brian violated any copyright at all with this particular design.

Hey Mrs -
ahh okay - my mistake for not reading the first page properly-
Thanks for clarifying and sorry for mis-interpreting you.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Date: 1/30/2010 2:34:36 PM
Author: mrssalvo

Date: 1/30/2010 1:24:45 PM
Author: SanDiegoLady

I am sooooo excited for you. It will be as fabulous as you are!

SDL is this for your present center stone in your three-stone ring?? Is there a thread about this development? I will have to go look.

 

[LtlFirecracker]

Date: 1/30/2010 8:25:17 AM
Author: icekid

Date: 1/28/2010 9:53:53 PM

Author: LtlFirecracker

I am actually looking at the Grace too.



I can tell you my temp setting is 2 mm and I think that is perfect. I would not want it any thinner or thicker. I think the Leon setting would be to thin for me. I like Leon''s prongs better than the BG ring, but I like the shank on the BG better.

Ltl- You can always ask Leon to make the shank 2 mm. Don''t see why he would not be happy to comply

I was thinking about that, me and FI are looking at both options. He didn''t realize that BDG does not make rings by hand and he is kind of picky about that.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Date: 1/31/2010 3:06:18 AM
Author: SanDiegoLady

Date: 1/31/2010 1:22:29 AM
Author: dreamer_dachsie

Date: 1/30/2010 2:34:36 PM
Author: mrssalvo

Date: 1/30/2010 1:24:45 PM
Author: SanDiegoLady

I am sooooo excited for you. It will be as fabulous as you are!

SDL is this for your present center stone in your three-stone ring?? Is there a thread about this development? I will have to go look.

Aw, Mrs S, thank you.. you''re so sweet !

Dreamer, no, I will be replacing my diamond in the future. I felt a chip in the girdle of my diamond and asked my jeweler to confirm it.. he said that I not only have a good sized chip, I have a significant feather straight across the table of my diamond and that its only a matter of time. For now, I am overly cautious about my er..

The jeweler who sold us this diamond lied about the quality of a fracture filled/enhanced diamond.. I wish I''d found PS LONG LONG before we bought this diamond and had done research first... He told us it would never alter and that it would hold value just as a non enhanced stone.. oh my goodness, what a horrible fib.

So... no developments yet.. and.. it will be a while. Probably well over a year and that''s ok, because our 5th anniversary is next year (already, gosh!).. We are hoping to renew our vows and I''ll upgrade at that point.

I thought I had read something about your diamond being FF before! Gak, what a terrible thig to discover. But you can look forward to your future diamond, it will be fun to anticipate.