Imitation

[AGBF]

Date: 1/6/2009 7:24:31 PM
Author: Gayletmom


You read my mind, Harriet! I have been pondering the same question since reading the comments on the other forum.

They talked about it on the other forum, did they? And what did they say? For a while there were more diamond and gemstone fora than you could shake a stick at, but I suspect that the one to which you refer above is the old one. It is of interest to me because after I was banned from that site, I saw a reference there to someone selling a ring she had had made because she was inspired by my ring. I have been told by other people that they have seen my ring copied by brides elsewhere on the ''net from time to time. (I find it very flattering.)


Deborah

 

[coatimundi_org]

Date: 1/7/2009 2:27:13 AM
Author: Dancing Fire
just pick one of these

then you wouldn''t need to worry about imitaion.


https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/unique-and-unusual-post-them-here.18524/

hahahahaha!

 

[HeartingDiamonds]

Date: 1/7/2009 1:31:18 AM
Author: coatimundi
I have nothing but respect for Ari at Single Stone. The criticism of him is absurd. There is no point in trying to sully his reputation over a common business practice.

Ditto the above. We have worked with Ari for a long time and know for a fact that he would never intentionally disregard a client''s feelings in favor of another.

People gravitate towards antique jewelry for many reasons - chief among them the romance, the history, the carftmanship and yes - the assumption that your ring is likely one of a kind. Is this necessarily true? In almost all cases, yes. Is it reasonable to hope that a piece that one fell in love will not catch somebody else''s eye? Frankly, no.

As a matter of fact, my very own ring, purist that I purport to be, is a.. *gasp*.. reproduction. I wanted a ring that combined elements from 2 different pieces so I had it made to have the look I wanted.

Here''s hoping that SG and PT both wake up in the morning feeling better about all this.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 1/7/2009 1:17:55 AM
Author: Harriet

Date: 1/7/2009 1:08:36 AM
Author: crown1
yes, dancing fire. he frequently asks a question but does not give his own answer or opinion. someone usually chimes in and asks him to answer. i agree parrot tulip''s thread should not be polluted. she has a lovely ring and deserves nothing but kindness.

I''ll weigh in with my opinion tomorrow. I''m sick and sleepy, so it whatever I say no won''t make any sense, just like the stuff that comes out of DF''s mouth.

i don''t make sense cuz i have problems with the English language.

 

[Allison D.]

This thread is meant to discuss the larger issue of how one would/should react to imitation.

My suggestion would be "let''s act and react like adults".

As adults, we all feel disappointments from time to time. We recognize that we are entitled to our feelings but we also realize we don''t have to act upon them overtly.

Because people are different, they will all feel differently. Some people will feel horribly violated; other won''t see the big deal. Par for the course. No one can control how they feel about situations, but as adults, they can control their reactions to them.

In my very humble opinion, if someone is really bothered by imitation and really wishes to remove her pictures to prevent further ''flattery'', she could do so with dignity by quietly contacting the adminstrator and requesting the removal.

In my singular opinion, I''d prefer not to see a dramatic and potentially hurtful declaration (from any source) about removing threads; these inevitably feels punitive and designed to convey the message "I''m going to pick up my ball and leave the playground because you''ve pissed me off (remove all my stuff about my jewelry), and you''re being told about the removal so you can feel bad/remorseful about it, too."

I''m certain it would eventually be noted that ''hey, I can''t find the thread about so-and-so''s ring anymore - anyone know where it is?". At that juncture, I''d prefer to see the gal who removed her photos say "I asked to have it removed to protect my privacy, but I''m flattered that you liked my ring."

 

[Linda W]

Date: 1/7/2009 2:41:46 AM
Author: Allison D.

This thread is meant to discuss the larger issue of how one would/should react to imitation.

My suggestion would be ''let''s act and react like adults''.


As adults, we all feel disappointments from time to time. We recognize that we are entitled to our feelings but we also realize we don''t have to act upon them overtly.


Because people are different, they will all feel differently. Some people will feel horribly violated; other won''t see the big deal. Par for the course. No one can control how they feel about situations, but as adults, they can control their reactions to them.


In my very humble opinion, if someone is really bothered by imitation and really wishes to remove her pictures to prevent further ''flattery'', she could do so with dignity by quietly contacting the adminstrator and requesting the removal.


In my singular opinion, I''d prefer not to see a dramatic and potentially hurtful declaration (from any source) about removing threads; these inevitably feels punitive and designed to convey the message ''I''m going to pick up my ball and leave the playground because you''ve pissed me off (remove all my stuff about my jewelry), and you''re being told about the removal so you can feel bad/remorseful about it, too.''


I''m certain it would eventually be noted that ''hey, I can''t find the thread about so-and-so''s ring anymore - anyone know where it is?''. At that juncture, I''d prefer to see the gal who removed her photos say ''I asked to have it removed to protect my privacy, but I''m flattered that you liked my ring.''

AMEN ALJ!!!!!

 

[PrettyBlues]

I have to amen everything you''ve said so far Alj, as it sums up my feelings perfectly.

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 1/7/2009 2:32:33 AM
Author: AGBF

Date: 1/6/2009 7:24:31 PM
Author: Gayletmom


You read my mind, Harriet! I have been pondering the same question since reading the comments on the other forum.

They talked about it on the other forum, did they? And what did they say? For a while there were more diamond and gemstone fora than you could shake a stick at, but I suspect that the one to which you refer above is the old one. It is of interest to me because after I was banned from that site, I saw a reference there to someone selling a ring she had had made because she was inspired by my ring. I have been told by other people that they have seen my ring copied by brides elsewhere on the ''net from time to time. (I find it very flattering.)


Deborah

Deb, Gayletmom just meant another section of PS - the thread that ignited this issue is currently in RT

 

[rainwood]

I can see both sides of this issue. I understand someone admiring a ring and wanting one like it. I can also understand someone buying an antique ring (one that many people on PS have admired and said they''ve never seen one like it) being dismayed that someone copied it. Yes, posting photographs on PS make it easy for someone to copy a particular piece, but most women post their engagement rings in a cloud of excitement and don''t stop to think that they''ve given someone a roadmap to do so. So I understand both PT''s excitement and SG''s dismay, and condemn neither.

And if posting a photo of a ring is considered by most to be an a-okay to copy it, then SG''s decision to have her SMTR thread removed is exactly what she should do if she doesn''t want it copied further.

 

[GoodSoul]

How would I feel if my ring is imitated? Hmmm... If it''s someone that I don''t like, I am not cool about it but will get over it in a jiffy (unless she kept flaunting it in my face). If it''s someone that I like or someone on PS, I am totally cool and flattered by it. Having said that, my ring is just one of Leon''s creation found on his website.

My personal take is that if I do not want my stuff to be replicated, reproduced or imitated, distributed, I will not post it online. This is after all, a public domain. If I post it online, it''s a risk that I have to take for things that I have no rights/patent to.

Although it''s disappointing to hear it (as I do enjoy her posts and ring), SG has every right to pull out whatever contributions she has to this forum. I also understand that those who brought this to the public attention is/are trying to help and you have every right to voice your thoughts and lend your support. Just my thoughts that it could have been handled more sensitively esp when PT is just like anyone of us here, trying to share her joy and happiness.

Maybe the forum administrator can add a clause in the forum rules that if we do not want our ring to be ever duplicated, then do not post it on this forum. If a ring design is being patented, then the patent owner could list out the patent no. so that the innocent folks (like the ignorant me) will not infringe it. Maybe these are already in the rules but I''m not sure.

Although I''ve been with PS for only a few months, I''ve always been impressed by the generosity of the folks here who gave sound advice, honest opinions, great suggestions, generous compliments and also compassionate well wishes to those in need. I''ve always been proud to be a very part of this great community and really hope that the great spirits go on.

 

[MishB]

Wow, maaaajor dummy spit.

I would love to see a picture of the ''original'' ring, I suppose I am too late.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 1/7/2009 12:48:52 AM
Author: Gypsy
I thought this was an interesting find, given the subject of this thread and its author's (amazing) AV.

http://www.langantiques.com/category/30/4/item/30-1-3509/ Interesting design elements

Granted. Definitely not an exact copy. But neither is Parrot Tulips. The proportions are different than SG's. Just thought it was ironic.

Thanks, Gypsy, maybe I can have one made like this instead. Lol! (Just teasin' you a little, H

)

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 1/7/2009 1:32:45 AM
Author: Gypsy

Date: 1/7/2009 1:17:10 AM
Author: Allison D.
I have to say I believe this is the first day I''ve truly missed my chainsaw since retiring it nearly a year ago.

That said, I''m going to speak from my heart.

I wouldn''t have enough fingers on my own hands to tick off the COUNTLESS number of posters over the years who came to Pricescope, fell in love with ''Mara''s ring'' and modeled their set(s) after hers. It would take a full village''s worth of hands to even come close. At that time, no one else on Pricescope had a set of rings like hers. (Her ring, by the way, wasn''t her own design either but inspired by the ring her local jeweler''s wife wore.) I don''t think it ever would have occurred to her to become upset with another poster for copying ''her'' ring.....thank God. That''s just not what Mara was about, and it''s not what Pricescope has been about during these many years either.

When I finally commissioned my halo pendant (which itself was partially inspired by a Ritani piece I''d seen), a ton of folks commented that they''d love to own a pendant like that. I was beyond flattered. When Lisa decided to look into having one made, she actually got in touch with me to ask if I''d mind. I couldn''t believe she even felt she had to ask; it was a nice courtesy on her part, but totally unnecessary. I couldn''t imagine being offended by such a request; in fact, I encouraged her to do so by sending my pendant to her chosen jeweler to help make it happen!

In Belle''s case, she DID actually create her own unique design in collaboration with Irina.....and that was NO easy feat. There isn''t much in the jewelry business that hasn''t been tried before, and yet they settled on an arrangement the likes of which no one had ever seen before. It never even occurred to me that Belle would be anything less than completely gracious about others'' interest in that pendant, and she did not disappoint. I can''t imagine it would have ever crossed her mind to deny someone else the opportunity to enjoy the design as well.

ETA: I''ve seen multiple owners of the Bellerina pendant since then, and do you know who I think of every time I see it? Yep....Belle. It''s no less hers for having shared it.

The copyright argument is a red herring; the ring wasn''t designed by the owner. Further, SS as the jeweler doesn''t have a shred of obligation to call the ring owner. She didn''t create the design she wears and she doesn''t have ''veto'' power over his business just because she''s a client/fan. As others have pointed out, he likely didn''t even conceive that it could be . I know it wouldn''t occur to me, and given the several responses in this thread, that assumption would be correct most of the time.

This site has always been about SHARING....sharing knowledge, sharing ideas, sharing information, and yes.....sharing inspiration. I cannot even begin to understand how anyone could find offense or injury because some other random individual in the world was wearing a similar piece of jewelry....especially when the two are unlikely to cross paths in real life! I don''t see how denying someone else the same pleasure I''d had (finding a given design that spoke to me) would make me feel good; in fact, I''m quite certain I''d feel terrible.

I''m disheartened, dismayed, outraged and ashamed at the disservice that was done to the poor poster today who came here to share her excitement over her ring.

OKAY. SO... I

you Allison D! I miss the chainsaw, but I am SO HAPPY you have not left us.

Ditto. I keep hoping Parrot will post, and can''t believe we might have lost not ONE, but TWO members over this. And frankly, I am dissappointed in SG that Pandora and Harriet posted that she''s upset, and that someone as forthright and outspoken as SG hasn''t come on here herself.

ETA: Ditto Coati too.

Ditto, outstanding post Alj!

 

[777_LDY]

Alj, you have said it incredibly well.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 1/7/2009 1:17:10 AM
Author: Allison D.
I have to say I believe this is the first day I''ve truly missed my chainsaw since retiring it nearly a year ago.

Great post (s) Alj.

 

[tlh]

Date: 1/6/2009 7:24:03 PM
Author: neatfreak
I''d be annoyed if it was a close friend or someone I saw everyday, especially if their intent was to do the same thing but ''better'' (i.e., a friend wanted to replicate my ring but was sure to mention that hers would be a full carat). That would annoy me to no end.

But someone on PS? No problem and I would be flattered. I expect it when I post my things that someone might like it and want to copy it. And I have certainly drawn inspiration from others here too.

DITTO! ALL THAT!

 

[geckodani]

Date: 1/7/2009 1:17:10 AM
Author: Allison D.
I have to say I believe this is the first day I''ve truly missed my chainsaw since retiring it nearly a year ago.

That said, I''m going to speak from my heart.

I wouldn''t have enough fingers on my own hands to tick off the COUNTLESS number of posters over the years who came to Pricescope, fell in love with ''Mara''s ring'' and modeled their set(s) after hers. It would take a full village''s worth of hands to even come close. At that time, no one else on Pricescope had a set of rings like hers. (Her ring, by the way, wasn''t her own design either but inspired by the ring her local jeweler''s wife wore.) I don''t think it ever would have occurred to her to become upset with another poster for copying ''her'' ring.....thank God. That''s just not what Mara was about, and it''s not what Pricescope has been about during these many years either.

When I finally commissioned my halo pendant (which itself was partially inspired by a Ritani piece I''d seen), a ton of folks commented that they''d love to own a pendant like that. I was beyond flattered. When Lisa decided to look into having one made, she actually got in touch with me to ask if I''d mind. I couldn''t believe she even felt she had to ask; it was a nice courtesy on her part, but totally unnecessary. I couldn''t imagine being offended by such a request; in fact, I encouraged her to do so by sending my pendant to her chosen jeweler to help make it happen!

In Belle''s case, she DID actually create her own unique design in collaboration with Irina.....and that was NO easy feat. There isn''t much in the jewelry business that hasn''t been tried before, and yet they settled on an arrangement the likes of which no one had ever seen before. It never even occurred to me that Belle would be anything less than completely gracious about others'' interest in that pendant, and she did not disappoint. I can''t imagine it would have ever crossed her mind to deny someone else the opportunity to enjoy the design as well.

ETA: I''ve seen multiple owners of the Bellerina pendant since then, and do you know who I think of every time I see it? Yep....Belle. It''s no less hers for having shared it.

The copyright argument is a red herring; the ring wasn''t designed by the owner. Further, SS as the jeweler doesn''t have a shred of obligation to call the ring owner. She didn''t create the design she wears and she doesn''t have ''veto'' power over his business just because she''s a client/fan. As others have pointed out, he likely didn''t even conceive that it could be . I know it wouldn''t occur to me, and given the several responses in this thread, that assumption would be correct most of the time.

This site has always been about SHARING....sharing knowledge, sharing ideas, sharing information, and yes.....sharing inspiration. I cannot even begin to understand how anyone could find offense or injury because some other random individual in the world was wearing a similar piece of jewelry....especially when the two are unlikely to cross paths in real life! I don''t see how denying someone else the same pleasure I''d had (finding a given design that spoke to me) would make me feel good; in fact, I''m quite certain I''d feel terrible.

I''m disheartened, dismayed, outraged and ashamed at the disservice that was done to the poor poster today who came here to share her excitement over her ring.

If I had an emotie that could bow to Alj, I would post it here. Wise words.

 

[steph72276]

Big fat ditto to everything Alj has said...

 

[steph72276]

Oh, and I had never heard of singlestone before this and I just went to their site...wow, they have some beautiful things

 

[October2008bride]

Date: 1/7/2009 8:53:40 AM
Author: geckodani

Date: 1/7/2009 1:17:10 AM

Author: Allison D.

I have to say I believe this is the first day I''ve truly missed my chainsaw since retiring it nearly a year ago.


That said, I''m going to speak from my heart.


I wouldn''t have enough fingers on my own hands to tick off the COUNTLESS number of posters over the years who came to Pricescope, fell in love with ''Mara''s ring'' and modeled their set(s) after hers. It would take a full village''s worth of hands to even come close. At that time, no one else on Pricescope had a set of rings like hers. (Her ring, by the way, wasn''t her own design either but inspired by the ring her local jeweler''s wife wore.) I don''t think it ever would have occurred to her to become upset with another poster for copying ''her'' ring.....thank God. That''s just not what Mara was about, and it''s not what Pricescope has been about during these many years either.


When I finally commissioned my halo pendant (which itself was partially inspired by a Ritani piece I''d seen), a ton of folks commented that they''d love to own a pendant like that. I was beyond flattered. When Lisa decided to look into having one made, she actually got in touch with me to ask if I''d mind. I couldn''t believe she even felt she had to ask; it was a nice courtesy on her part, but totally unnecessary. I couldn''t imagine being offended by such a request; in fact, I encouraged her to do so by sending my pendant to her chosen jeweler to help make it happen!


In Belle''s case, she DID actually create her own unique design in collaboration with Irina.....and that was NO easy feat. There isn''t much in the jewelry business that hasn''t been tried before, and yet they settled on an arrangement the likes of which no one had ever seen before. It never even occurred to me that Belle would be anything less than completely gracious about others'' interest in that pendant, and she did not disappoint. I can''t imagine it would have ever crossed her mind to deny someone else the opportunity to enjoy the design as well.


ETA: I''ve seen multiple owners of the Bellerina pendant since then, and do you know who I think of every time I see it? Yep....Belle. It''s no less hers for having shared it.

The copyright argument is a red herring; the ring wasn''t designed by the owner. Further, SS as the jeweler doesn''t have a shred of obligation to call the ring owner. She didn''t create the design she wears and she doesn''t have ''veto'' power over his business just because she''s a client/fan. As others have pointed out, he likely didn''t even conceive that it could be . I know it wouldn''t occur to me, and given the several responses in this thread, that assumption would be correct most of the time.


This site has always been about SHARING....sharing knowledge, sharing ideas, sharing information, and yes.....sharing inspiration. I cannot even begin to understand how anyone could find offense or injury because some other random individual in the world was wearing a similar piece of jewelry....especially when the two are unlikely to cross paths in real life! I don''t see how denying someone else the same pleasure I''d had (finding a given design that spoke to me) would make me feel good; in fact, I''m quite certain I''d feel terrible.


I''m disheartened, dismayed, outraged and ashamed at the disservice that was done to the poor poster today who came here to share her excitement over her ring.

If I had an emotie that could bow to Alj, I would post it here. Wise words.

Amazing post Alj - I also feels that SG''s alleged reaction flies in the face of what PS stands for (IMO). There is a reason we share - because we are excited about something special and because we want others to enjoy it as well. Especially others who enjoy it so much they dream and wish and hope to one day get something as nice. What a wonderful tribute to SG''s ring (or Mara''s, or Tiffany, or Daniel K etc).

My two cents? Let''s go back over to the original thread and show Parrot Tulips what PS is about. Support, encouragement, and pictures!! Maybe we can lure her back!

 

[vintagelover229]

Date: 1/7/2009 1:17:10 AM
Author: Allison D.
I have to say I believe this is the first day I''ve truly missed my chainsaw since retiring it nearly a year ago.

That said, I''m going to speak from my heart.

I wouldn''t have enough fingers on my own hands to tick off the COUNTLESS number of posters over the years who came to Pricescope, fell in love with ''Mara''s ring'' and modeled their set(s) after hers. It would take a full village''s worth of hands to even come close. At that time, no one else on Pricescope had a set of rings like hers. (Her ring, by the way, wasn''t her own design either but inspired by the ring her local jeweler''s wife wore.) I don''t think it ever would have occurred to her to become upset with another poster for copying ''her'' ring.....thank God. That''s just not what Mara was about, and it''s not what Pricescope has been about during these many years either.

When I finally commissioned my halo pendant (which itself was partially inspired by a Ritani piece I''d seen), a ton of folks commented that they''d love to own a pendant like that. I was beyond flattered. When Lisa decided to look into having one made, she actually got in touch with me to ask if I''d mind. I couldn''t believe she even felt she had to ask; it was a nice courtesy on her part, but totally unnecessary. I couldn''t imagine being offended by such a request; in fact, I encouraged her to do so by sending my pendant to her chosen jeweler to help make it happen!

In Belle''s case, she DID actually create her own unique design in collaboration with Irina.....and that was NO easy feat. There isn''t much in the jewelry business that hasn''t been tried before, and yet they settled on an arrangement the likes of which no one had ever seen before. It never even occurred to me that Belle would be anything less than completely gracious about others'' interest in that pendant, and she did not disappoint. I can''t imagine it would have ever crossed her mind to deny someone else the opportunity to enjoy the design as well.

ETA: I''ve seen multiple owners of the Bellerina pendant since then, and do you know who I think of every time I see it? Yep....Belle. It''s no less hers for having shared it.

The copyright argument is a red herring; the ring wasn''t designed by the owner. Further, SS as the jeweler doesn''t have a shred of obligation to call the ring owner. She didn''t create the design she wears and she doesn''t have ''veto'' power over his business just because she''s a client/fan. As others have pointed out, he likely didn''t even conceive that it could be . I know it wouldn''t occur to me, and given the several responses in this thread, that assumption would be correct most of the time.

This site has always been about SHARING....sharing knowledge, sharing ideas, sharing information, and yes.....sharing inspiration. I cannot even begin to understand how anyone could find offense or injury because some other random individual in the world was wearing a similar piece of jewelry....especially when the two are unlikely to cross paths in real life! I don''t see how denying someone else the same pleasure I''d had (finding a given design that spoke to me) would make me feel good; in fact, I''m quite certain I''d feel terrible.

I''m disheartened, dismayed, outraged and ashamed at the disservice that was done to the poor poster today who came here to share her excitement over her ring.

I feel the same way. I HIGHLY doubt that poor girl will EVER come back here! Now everytime she looks at her ring she''s gonig to remeber that her inspiration had her beautiful pics pulled (rumor...not sure if true?) because she loved it so much, she wanted something as close as possible to it. I wish I could console that poor woman. I understand why SG would be upset, I just wish no one would have said anything to the OP because now she''ll have a negative feeling whenever she looks at her ring. I hope SG will chim in here.

 

[Pandora II]

Date: 1/7/2009 4:18:22 AM
Author: rainwood
I can see both sides of this issue. I understand someone admiring a ring and wanting one like it. I can also understand someone buying an antique ring (one that many people on PS have admired and said they''ve never seen one like it) being dismayed that someone copied it. Yes, posting photographs on PS make it easy for someone to copy a particular piece, but most women post their engagement rings in a cloud of excitement and don''t stop to think that they''ve given someone a roadmap to do so. So I understand both PT''s excitement and SG''s dismay, and condemn neither.

And if posting a photo of a ring is considered by most to be an a-okay to copy it, then SG''s decision to have her SMTR thread removed is exactly what she should do if she doesn''t want it copied further.

Totally agree.

Since the OP in the other thread specifically made a point of apologising for copying the ring (other than proportions in every tiny detail) which actively sought a response (IMHO) - an apology doesn''t mean that by default the other should be all happy about it and I think the original''s owner has a right to feel that well actually they''re not too thrilled and for that feeling to be expressed. Otherwise it is taking it as read that they are fine with the situation.

Engagement rings are very sentimental and feelings arise that wouldn''t over more mundane items. Sometimes when you are emotionally involved in something it is easier not to enter into a discussion at that time. Hence why I posted.

I think if the OP had just posted her ring without all the hoo haa about who''s it was copied from etc then it would have been less hurtful and upsetting to the original''s owner.

This is the last I will say on this.

I just think it''s a little sad that people who own unique/custom/antique pieces may well think twice about posting them in detail in future.

 

[NewEnglandLady]

Date: 1/7/2009 9:08:53 AM
Author: steph72276
Big fat ditto to everything Alj has said...

Agreed--everything Allison said is exactly how I feel.

I love my e-ring. I did not design it, but it is a unique art deco design that I have never seen anywhere else. If a good friend, a relative, a PSer or some random stranger on the street wanted to copy it, I''d be thrilled. The design of the ring is not what makes my ring special--the truth is that it was a very generous and meaningful gift from my wonderful husband and that means the world to me. Anybody who only focuses on the design of the ring is missing the point, in my opinion.

 

[Miscka]

I find this situation very upsetting. I feel terrible for aiding the threadjack on PT''s thread. I feel even worse that she has not been back, and I really REALLY hope that none of this taints her excitement over her gorgeous ring. If I were her I would be struggling with letting this get to me.

I already said how I feel about it in the other thread. Although I have to wonder if part of this is not SG reacting to feeling a certain friendship with Ari? Did she not JUST post about her visit there? And maybe she felt upset he did not mention it, despite probably being in the middle of working on it at the time. Just a guess, and not to say I agree.

I don''t think PT or Ari have done anything wrong. Like I said, a hundred people could have copied her ring, from seeing it IRL or on here, and just because they did not post it we will never know. PT could have hidden it, but she shared it with us because she was happy with it and the work Ari did.

This whole thing makes me

 

[Madam Bijoux]

To answer the original question: I wouldn''t be the least bit upset. Almost all of my things are very basic and simple - you can go into any jewelry store and see dozens of designs and settings like mine. Even if I had some special custom-designed item, I wouldn''t mind if someone copied it. I would be happy to find a kindred spirit.

 

[Skippy123]

Date: 1/7/2009 2:46:02 AM
Author: Linda W

Date: 1/7/2009 2:41:46 AM
Author: Allison D.

This thread is meant to discuss the larger issue of how one would/should react to imitation.

My suggestion would be 'let's act and react like adults'.


As adults, we all feel disappointments from time to time. We recognize that we are entitled to our feelings but we also realize we don't have to act upon them overtly.


Because people are different, they will all feel differently. Some people will feel horribly violated; other won't see the big deal. Par for the course. No one can control how they feel about situations, but as adults, they can control their reactions to them.


In my very humble opinion, if someone is really bothered by imitation and really wishes to remove her pictures to prevent further 'flattery', she could do so with dignity by quietly contacting the adminstrator and requesting the removal.


In my singular opinion, I'd prefer not to see a dramatic and potentially hurtful declaration (from any source) about removing threads; these inevitably feels punitive and designed to convey the message 'I'm going to pick up my ball and leave the playground because you've pissed me off (remove all my stuff about my jewelry), and you're being told about the removal so you can feel bad/remorseful about it, too.'


I'm certain it would eventually be noted that 'hey, I can't find the thread about so-and-so's ring anymore - anyone know where it is?'. At that juncture, I'd prefer to see the gal who removed her photos say 'I asked to have it removed to protect my privacy, but I'm flattered that you liked my ring.'

AMEN ALJ!!!!!

Amen is right. . .

ETA: Completely agrees w/Deco's post below on crashing the thread!!!

 

[Ellen]

Date: 1/7/2009 9:54:10 AM
Author: Miscka
I find this situation very upsetting. I feel terrible for aiding the threadjack on PT''s thread. I feel even worse that she has not been back, and I really REALLY hope that none of this taints her excitement over her gorgeous ring. If I were her I would be struggling with letting this get to me.

I already said how I feel about it in the other thread. Although I have to wonder if part of this is not SG reacting to feeling a certain friendship with Ari? Did she not JUST post about her visit there? And maybe she felt upset he did not mention it, despite probably being in the middle of working on it at the time. Just a guess, and not to say I agree.

I don''t think PT or Ari have done anything wrong. Like I said, a hundred people could have copied her ring, from seeing it IRL or on here, and just because they did not post it we will never know. PT could have hidden it, but she shared it with us because she was happy with it and the work Ari did.

This whole thing makes me

Miscka, she didn''t get it from SS.

Date: 1/6/2009 11:43:56 PM
Author: iluvcarats


I found it
H. Moradi Estate Jewelers in San Diego

And although I missed some key posts evidently, whatever you said, I know you meant no harm.

 

[decodelighted]

Date: 1/7/2009 9:43:03 AM
Author: Pandora II
I just think it''s a little sad that people who own unique/custom/antique pieces may well think twice about posting them in detail in future.

Since you feel free to discuss what the OP should & should not have done ... I''ll say that I think it was in very poor taste to crash that woman''s thread on behalf of anyone. And I think its "a little sad" that someone would avail themselves of the assistance, support and positive aspects of PS when it was convenient for *them* only to later balk at being generous & actively diminish the positive feelings of someone who seemed to have no ill will at all ON THEIR OWN THREAD. That is, if she asked you to post. If you posted about her feelings without her permission, I''ll stand corrected.

Change has come to one clique. Indeed.

 

[Miscka]

I know, Ellen. In fact I went back and read her first thread when she was considering it yesterday. I meant that Ari made the new one, and SG had just been there for other purposes. With Ringster, I believe? Could be making this up...

ETA: That thread seems to have disappeared as well. I swear it was last week or so...anyone know what I am talking about??

I think the title mentioned Harry Winston as well as SS. Not that relevant, I realize.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 1/7/2009 10:04:43 AM
Author: Miscka
I know, Ellen. In fact I went back and read her first thread when she was considering it yesterday. I meant that Ari made the new one, and SG had just been there for other purposes. With Ringster, I believe? Could be making this up...

Oh, ok, gotcha!