I think this is the one, so nervous!

[uproar]

So after months of research and pouring over various threads on clarity, Colors, Ct weight, Cuts, Brian Gavin Cuts and then fluorescence as well. Many of my friends have just walked into a store on the suggestions of buddies who got "a good deal". Also as with most other products in Canada, local retailers are overpriced with little selection. I'm glad I found this community, I think I may have found my girlfriend's diamond as well as become a "diamond nerd" in the words of my friends.

Here are the stats

BGD 2.018cts K SI1 Signature Blue Round $15,250
8.07 x 8.10 x 4.99
Cut Grade is AGS ideal 0 all the way through
Fluorescence is very strong blue

I believe the HCA rating is 0.8

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.018-k-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104063998022

While I doubt the ring will be held side by side any other rings but I'm slightly nervous about the K color rating. It's hard to say with the BGD blue line as it's uncommon. I would have never thought of getting a K color stone when i initially set out on my search, is the fluorescence and the high cut quality enough in your opinion to make this a worthwhile stone? How warm do you imagine the K color will look? I'd appreciate any input as well as suggestions for alternatives, thanks a bunch guys!

 

[Niel]

go for it! that well of a performer will look very bright, and the flour will do its part as well. and plus, if it were me id rather reach that 2ct mark any way i can

if your concerned try setting it in jsut a solitaire so there is nothing to compare it too. your ring will be fantastic!! dont be nervious

 

[diamondseeker2006]

BG's stones are beautifully cut, that is for sure! But I would personally never consider going below J color to get 2 cts.

This would be my choice as there isn't a J stone any larger:

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.740-i-vs1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104063219002

 

[Niel]

BG's stones are beautifully cut, that is for sure! But I would personally never consider going below J color to get 2 cts.

This would be my choice as there isn't a J stone any larger:

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.740-i-vs1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104063219002

To be fair DS is very color sensitive. Many ps'ers would be very happy with a K.

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/show-me-your-k-colored-diamonds.112476/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/show-me-your-k-colored-diamonds.112476/[/URL]

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Color sensitive? If the definition is preferring G-H color, I suppose so! Higher colors are valued more by the diamond industry and market and are priced accordingly. But K color is visibly tinted and will not be as bright/white as a G-H-I color stone. That's a fact, but some people like the tint. I'd rather have a smaller stone that is of great quality across the board (when talking about round brilliants and not antique stones). To each his own!

 

[Niel]

Color sensitive? If the definition is preferring G-H color, I suppose so! Higher colors are valued more by the diamond industry and market and are priced accordingly. But K color is visibly tinted and will not be as bright/white as a G-H-I color stone. That's a fact, but some people like the tint. I'd rather have a smaller stone that is of great quality across the board (when talking about round brilliants and not antique stones). To each his own!

It wasn't meaning it as a bad thing DS.
I'm just saying I've heard you say an I is too low. So to you color is more important than size. For others, especially someone who isn't that "in" to diamonds, its probably the other way. Around...... plus compared to what people are wearing in the real word its right on par.



I think a k well cut round is beautiful.

 

[ariel144]

Well Uproar, I just recommended that 2c K yesterday in another thread....nice with bl. fl.
There is also a 2.2 J SI2 H &A on GOG for the same price


http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10282/

I'm not a stickler for clarity, as I would rather have the larger higher color J. I figure no
one who is admiring a well cut diamond is consciously looking for flaws in the stone from
about 1.5-2 feet away at the nearest. Plus MRB seem to hide the inclusions better than other cuts.

Here is an I SI2 for $2k more

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10252/

but the 2.2c J would be my pick. I saw a GIA K 2c princess cut years ago and it was so gorgeous. They seem to
have more depth and dimension or something...hard to put into words.

Whichever stone you pick I'm sure she will love it.

 

[Deactivated member 42515]

What's flour?

 

[uproar]

Well Uproar, I just recommended that 2c K yesterday in another thread....nice with bl. fl.
There is also a 2.2 J SI2 H &A on GOG for the same price


http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10282/

I'm not a stickler for clarity, as I would rather have the larger higher color J. I figure no
one who is admiring a well cut diamond is consciously looking for flaws in the stone from
about 1.5-2 feet away at the nearest. Plus MRB seem to hide the inclusions better than other cuts.

Here is an I SI2 for $2k more

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10252/

but the 2.2c J would be my pick. I saw a GIA K 2c princess cut years ago and it was so gorgeous. They seem to
have more depth and dimension or something...hard to put into words.

Whichever stone you pick I'm sure she will love it.

Whew good thing i reserved it ! lol

I saw that 2.2ct J Si2 as well but was kind of worried about the inclusion right on the table, it is my second choice if directed that way. When looking on the AGS report clarity plot, the clouds are all over. However, on the BGB AGS there is nothing, how is that possible for an SI1 stone? Is it just a bad image of the original AGS? I think you're correct though no one admiring the ring will be looking for flaws in clarity, looking at more a ring closer than 2 feet is weird for a casual friend.

Is it MRB stones you are speaking of when you say they have more depth and dimension or K color stones?

 

[Christina...]

My 2 cents....bright and white are two different things. While the cut is great, it can't completely mask the body color of the stone. The strong blue is great and I've heard many claim that it can make a stone appear a whole color grade whiter, however according to a GIA study the majority of consumers couldn't discern a difference and trades members had varying opinions as to the impact that the fluorescence played. So while we ofter hear claims that the stone will look a whole shade whiter....well I guess you'd have to see for yourself to make that determination. It's also important to remember that fluorescence only impacts the stone in UV lighting, such as tanning beds, night clubs, sunlight, black lights, etc so it will not impact the stone in most normal lighting situations.

I own a J RB and what I can tell you is that it faces up quite white, however from the side view body color is easily apparent. My stone does not have any fluorescence so it's color is not impacted in any environment. If or when I upgrade the stone I will also go up in color. One other point...the higher the ct weight the more apparent color becomes. While I may be ok with a J or even a K in a .5ct, I know that I would not be in a larger stone, 1ct or greater.

Peoples tolerance for color varies greatly, so, if time isn't a factor I would suggest viewing the stone loose in many different lighting environments before setting it. If you are happy, ship it back to be set. BGD has a great return policy so if time is on your side then I would take advantage of it.

 

[uproar]

Color sensitive? If the definition is preferring G-H color, I suppose so! Higher colors are valued more by the diamond industry and market and are priced accordingly. But K color is visibly tinted and will not be as bright/white as a G-H-I color stone. That's a fact, but some people like the tint. I'd rather have a smaller stone that is of great quality across the board (when talking about round brilliants and not antique stones). To each his own!

It wasn't meaning it as a bad thing DS.
I'm just saying I've heard you say an I is too low. So to you color is more important than size. For others, especially someone who isn't that "in" to diamonds, its probably the other way. Around...... plus compared to what people are wearing in the real word its right on par.



I think a k well cut round is beautiful.

The 2cts was exactly what i was trying to get to. I had the same thinking as yourself.

My girlfriend believes bigger is better, size is everything.
She doesn't know diamonds other than that she wants a 2ct anything would have made her happy. But after doing the research i couldn't bring myself to get her any old 2ct which could be had easily for $10,000 or less. I'm just looking to see what others are thinking about the K color of this stone when considering the cut and fluorescence.

 

[cygnet]

What's flour?

You bake with it.

 

[ariel144]

Well Uproar, I just recommended that 2c K yesterday in another thread....nice with bl. fl.
There is also a 2.2 J SI2 H &A on GOG for the same price


http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10282/

I'm not a stickler for clarity, as I would rather have the larger higher color J. I figure no
one who is admiring a well cut diamond is consciously looking for flaws in the stone from
about 1.5-2 feet away at the nearest. Plus MRB seem to hide the inclusions better than other cuts.

Here is an I SI2 for $2k more

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10252/

but the 2.2c J would be my pick. I saw a GIA K 2c princess cut years ago and it was so gorgeous. They seem to
have more depth and dimension or something...hard to put into words.

Whichever stone you pick I'm sure she will love it.

Whew good thing i reserved it ! lol

I saw that 2.2ct J Si2 as well but was kind of worried about the inclusion right on the table, it is my second choice if directed that way. When looking on the AGS report clarity plot, the clouds are all over. However, on the BGB AGS there is nothing, how is that possible for an SI1 stone? Is it just a bad image of the original AGS? I think you're correct though no one admiring the ring will be looking for flaws in clarity, looking at more a ring closer than 2 feet is weird for a casual friend.

Is it MRB stones you are speaking of when you say they have more depth and dimension or K color stones?

I haven't seen a K MRB...the K i saw was a princess cut but I did see a MRB L not too long ago and it looked white to me. Cut is King and more important than color. Many love K colors as you saw by the thread you posted. the tint can be diff. colors...yellow, brown, pink etc. Personally I just like BIG and don't care about clarity as long as it is relatively eye clean. Call GOG and ask about the J as far as clarity. That little white buggar under the table may not be glaring. it won't hurt to ask and get their opinion.

The BG blue K is tempting as I would love a stone with SBF; Although J is still in the colorless range. Sorry can't choose for you...LOL, decisions, decisions. Watch the videos on GOG on color, maybe that will help.

 

[Niel]

What's flour?

You bake with it.

Sorry my spell check would prefer I spell it that way. Human error guys.

 

[ariel144]

What's flour?

You bake with it.

LOL, thanks for the laugh.

Fluorescence.
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/brian-gavins-blue-diamonds-with-fluorescence/

http://jewelsbyericagrace.smugmug.com/Jewelry/Rings-Antique-Vintage/356ct-Loose-Old-European-Cut/19804036_Qxwpx5#!i=1610940947&k=nKKGh89

 

[Mayk]

This picture is my K GIA Emerald Cut next to my G AGS engagement ring... Outdoor lighting, not direct sun... Color shows differently in different cuts...

I think DIamondseeker makes an excellent point about choices for an engagement ring in a 2ct size. You absolutely should look at it in different lighting. My K is primarily a right hand ring...

Size is important to many on PS but if you were to see it next to a higher color it would be interesting to see which you preferred.

I happen to be highly intrigued by BG Blues... And I love warmth... But on this one I have to agree with Diamondseeker...

Also... An interesting thread by Titan

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/kinda-bored-made-a-rbc-body-color-comparison-chart.187051/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/kinda-bored-made-a-rbc-body-color-comparison-chart.187051/[/URL]

 

[pandabee]

What's flour?

You bake with it.

Sorry my spell check would prefer I spell it that way. Human error guys.

You can teach spell check to be smarter...jsyk.

 

[Niel]

What's flour?

You bake with it.

Sorry my spell check would prefer I spell it that way. Human error guys.

You can teach spell check to be smarter...jsyk.

 

[Rosebloom]

I have a five stone band of AGS K's that are small -.38s. They look stark white sometimes, creamy often, and occasionally light yellow. I like all of these looks but to my eyes it's definitely not "white." My mom has a BGS J MRB (all these acronyms!) which is beautiful. Definitely warmer than my Gs but much closer to "white" than my Ks. For an engagement ring, I'd be much more comfortable with a JSI2. But the fluorescence would be so much fun! Good luck (and good for you for becoming informed)!

 

[new4diamond]

Call Brain Gavin, ask him to pull the diamond and while on the phone go over it with him...he will tell you what you want to know.....I had him pull a couple of diamonds and we discussed each of them and I made my choice.

 

[Enerchi]

What's flour?

You bake with it.

Sorry my spell check would prefer I spell it that way. Human error guys.

You can teach spell check to be smarter...jsyk.

Pandabee!! Really?? Just by correcting the word, it learns the new word?? Is that how it works? I'm intrigued - I've got a lot of teaching to do on my i-products!!

Oh - and that's a funny comment Cygnet!

 

[uproar]

Call Brain Gavin, ask him to pull the diamond and while on the phone go over it with him...he will tell you what you want to know.....I had him pull a couple of diamonds and we discussed each of them and I made my choice.

Thats what the sales lady, Katie (who is an absolute pleasure to deal with btw) suggested. I was just kicking tires at the time so i didnt want to waste his time but now that i'm serious i'd love to hear it from the horse himself.

 

[MichelleCarmen]

What's flour?

You bake with it.

Sorry my spell check would prefer I spell it that way. Human error guys.

Consider correcting by hand, then! It confuses newbies when you keep talking about diamond flour.

 

[Deactivated member 42515]

What's flour?

You bake with it.

Sorry my spell check would prefer I spell it that way. Human error guys.

Consider correcting by hand, then! It confuses newbies when you keep talking about diamond flour.

Or shedding

 

[Niel]

What's flour?

You bake with it.

Sorry my spell check would prefer I spell it that way. Human error guys.

Consider correcting by hand, then! It confuses newbies when you keep talking about diamond flour.

SOOOOOO sorry guys. Im glad you threadjacked this guy to make me feel like an idiot.........
Im sufficiently put in my place now could you let it alone and actually help the OP?

 

[Deactivated member 42515]

Sorry OP, I was just about to say sorry for straying off topic. I got sidetracked with baking.

 

[lin_ny]

What's flour?

This made my day.

 

[new4diamond]

Call Brain Gavin, ask him to pull the diamond and while on the phone go over it with him...he will tell you what you want to know.....I had him pull a couple of diamonds and we discussed each of them and I made my choice.

Thats what the sales lady, Katie (who is an absolute pleasure to deal with btw) suggested. I was just kicking tires at the time so i didnt want to waste his time but now that i'm serious i'd love to hear it from the horse himself.

Good luck, I think you will be happy with any diamond you purchase from Brian....also, he has a return policy as well as a nice upgrade policy.

 

[bunnycat]

My 2 cents....bright and white are two different things. While the cut is great, it can't completely mask the body color of the stone. The strong blue is great and I've heard many claim that it can make a stone appear a whole color grade whiter, however according to a GIA study the majority of consumers couldn't discern a difference and trades members had varying opinions as to the impact that the fluorescence played. So while we ofter hear claims that the stone will look a whole shade whiter....well I guess you'd have to see for yourself to make that determination. It's also important to remember that fluorescence only impacts the stone in UV lighting, such as tanning beds, night clubs, sunlight, black lights, etc so it will not impact the stone in most normal lighting situations.

I own a J RB and what I can tell you is that it faces up quite white, however from the side view body color is easily apparent. My stone does not have any fluorescence so it's color is not impacted in any environment. If or when I upgrade the stone I will also go up in color. One other point...the higher the ct weight the more apparent color becomes. While I may be ok with a J or even a K in a .5ct, I know that I would not be in a larger stone, 1ct or greater.

Peoples tolerance for color varies greatly, so, if time isn't a factor I would suggest viewing the stone loose in many different lighting environments before setting it. If you are happy, ship it back to be set. BGD has a great return policy so if time is on your side then I would take advantage of it.

Actually- fluorescent and CFL lights emit UV, and most people have those in their homes and offices, so you may get to see more of the effects from it than you might think. So, if you spend most of your time (barring nightclubs) either outside in the sun, or under some type of fluor lighting, then you could be benefiting from the effects most of the time.

 

[uproar]

Call Brain Gavin, ask him to pull the diamond and while on the phone go over it with him...he will tell you what you want to know.....I had him pull a couple of diamonds and we discussed each of them and I made my choice.

Thats what the sales lady, Katie (who is an absolute pleasure to deal with btw) suggested. I was just kicking tires at the time so i didnt want to waste his time but now that i'm serious i'd love to hear it from the horse himself.

I spoke with Brian on Thursday, it was surprising to have such easy access to him and he was a pleasure to talk to. He assured me that this K colorstone woud look whiter than others with the same color grade. The cut will also help draw people to notice the sparkle more than the colour.