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metall

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I finally finally ordered my Mom's pendant. That should make me very happy right? right? Buuuut I'm a bit scared that I might have messed up a tiny bit...Let me start from the beginning...

I ultimately decided to work with IDJ to order the diamond for the pendant. I went into store to view some pears that IDJ had pulled for me. I want to start out saying that when I went in there was already a young lady in there working to find an engagement ring, they were waiting for another couple (who came in within 10 minutes of my arrival) and maybe 2 minutes after the couple there was a walk in looking for a diamond ring for an engagement. So there were 6-7 (my fiance had decided to come with me for support) people standing at Yekutiel's counter, which if anyone's ever been to his store is VERY crowded.

The first stone that I was shown is:

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/pear-shaped/0.62-carat-d-color-vs1-clarity-sku-3308055

Yekutiel assured me that it was the best stone for it's size.....etc...etc... But I just didn't like the shape. I want something that's a little fatter, this stone looks very long in person. Yekutiel said that unfortunately the other stones that he had pulled for me were slimmer and that he would have a look to see what else was available. At this point, he goes back to his computer and starts working to find a diamond that would fit the stuller setting that I was liked:

https://www.stuller.com/products/bu...mmendationSource=SiteSearch#/mounting-options

We determine that the best fit would be a 7x5 stone. I keep asking him about this stone:

https://idjewelry.com/catalog/product/view/_ignore_category/1/id/2449924/s/pear-cil860000701/

It is the same one that I was interested in buying from B2C...but he said that the stone was in Israel and it would be hard for them to get a hold of it. It's in virtual inventory somewhere. He's still looking at stones on his computer and he calls in a stone which he shows me a stone on the screen that looks like it's good l:w on BN's website, but I'm not getting a great look at the facets or anything else since it's pretty far away.

It takes maybe 20 minutes for the stone to arrive and My fiance and I both looked at the diamond. Yekutiel assures me that the chip characteristic is not a big deal. My fiance gets a bit impatient and with so many other people in the store - the other sales people keep interrupting Yekutiel with pricing questions. I decided to go with the diamond.

Now that I am home...and I've had time to analyze the GIA report and review the process of picking out this diamond. I am freaking out that it may have been a terrible rushed purchase. There was just so much going on there that I ended up being too overwhelmed to think rationally. Part of this seems to be made worst by a comment my fiance offhandedly made last night: "that diamond looks like someone was putting together a round diamond but forgot to shave off a corner."

My question for all the lovely PSer's (after that long winded post) is could you look at this diamond and let me know what you think solely by the numbers? I'm thinking that it is too deep. I have searched all over the place to try to find this stone so that I can post a link here...but it's no longer on BN's website. I do have a copy of the GIA report and will attach that here.

At this point, Yekutiel has already ordered the setting (he said it would arrive on the 30th), and since this is the setting i've been eyeing for a month now I do not want to change that part. However, do you think that I would be able to ask to see more diamonds and try to swap the diamond out for something else or am I stuck with this stone? I'm a bit stressed about this whole situation and I don't know what I should do. I spent all night tossing and turning over this stone and I'm not sure what I should do.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!!!!
 
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Oops the photo didn't attach properly....
 
Pic of the diamond? Where is the chip? How much was it? Etc
 
20171123_101517.jpg So looks that you got a nice fat 1.34 L:W pear that is slightly deep and would face up a tad bit smaller for its weight.

However, the more important questions are
1 - was there a visible bowtie? Very slight or dark?
2 - how is the girdle outline? Does it have a pleasing teardrop shape? Or does it have a buldging belly or blocky shoulders? Girdle outline aka shape appeal is very important in a pear.
3 - where is the chip? Is it visable to the naked eye? Can it be hidden under a prong?
Without seeing the actual stone or ASET it is difficult to pass judgement.

I would post my pear except it is a longer skinny one 1.62. BTW trade preference is between 1.50 and 1.75 but you prefer a stubby ones. That is ok too because I have a fat marquise.
 
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Contact him and have him hold off, set another appointment and have him get some more stones in and go again.
In general im not a fan of chips but there are chips then there are chips.
The report is a dossier so it does not have a plot showing where the chip is at.
Don't settle, get a stone you love.
 
cflutist,
Is that an official GIA text book?
It is so outdated compared to today's market it is not funny.
 
Pic of the diamond? Where is the chip? How much was it? Etc

Unfortunately, I was so harried that I didn't take any pictures of it (my fault entirely) and I've been scouring the internet trying to find the diamond but no luck so far...I will try to get Yekutiel to send one tomorrow maybe? I'm sure they are closed for the holidays...

20171123_101517.jpg So looks that you got a nice fat 1.34 L:W pear that is slightly deep and would face up a tad bit smaller for its weight.

However, the more important questions are
1 - was there a visible bowtie? Very slight or dark?
2 - how is the girdle outline? Does it have a pleasing teardrop shape? Or does it have a buldging belly or blocky shoulders? Girdle outline aka shape appeal is very important in a pear.
3 - where is the chip? Is it visable to the naked eye? Can it be hidden under a prong?
Without seeing the actual stone or ASET it is difficult to pass judgement.

I would post my pear except it is a longer skinny one 1.62. BTW trade preference is between 1.50 and 1.75 but you prefer a stubby ones. That is ok too because I have a fat marquise.

1 - was there a visible bowtie? Very slight or dark? - That's the thing was no "bowtie" in the traditional sense, but there is a round dark-ish spot under the table that would look like leakage under a round stone (but just in towards the tip round parts), but on reflection I can say that my fiance was right it does have a very round bottom
2 - how is the girdle outline? Does it have a pleasing teardrop shape? Or does it have a buldging belly or blocky shoulders? Girdle outline aka shape appeal is very important in a pear. It was very round at the bottom, to me the shape is pleasing but not a traditional pear...the closest that I can think of is if you draw a circle in the middle of a square and then erase three of the lines...I have a picture attached here kind of like what I mean (just a little more fluid)pear.png
3 - where is the chip? Is it visable to the naked eye? Can it be hidden under a prong? the stone is vvs2, the best guess I have about the chip is that it is under the stone, definitely no chip visible to the naked eye.

Without seeing the actual stone or ASET it is difficult to pass judgement.

BTW trade preference is between 1.50 and 1.75 but you prefer a stubby ones. Yep...I like me a little chubby pear, which i think is what is tripping me up...is this TOO chubby???
 
Contact him and have him hold off, set another appointment and have him get some more stones in and go again.
In general im not a fan of chips but there are chips then there are chips.
The report is a dossier so it does not have a plot showing where the chip is at.
Don't settle, get a stone you love.

Thanks Karl, I guess I wasn't sure if this was an option, but now that you say that it is...I will e-mail him right now....

cflutist,
Is that an official GIA text book?
It is so outdated compared to today's market it is not funny.

Surprisingly when I started my pear hunt i saw A LOT of stones with that "high square" shoulder shown, and I kept pushing back against those. which is what led me back to IDJ and internet searches.
 
THANK YOU everyone for being available today and oh so helpful!! I know that everyone is probably working on holiday things too so for you to take time out to reply is AMAZE!!! I am very thankful this thanksgiving for all your support!
 
cflutist,
Is that an official GIA text book?
It is so outdated compared to today's market it is not funny.
Yes it was from 1987 but I don't think shape appeal in pears has changed much. And with that I will bow out of this thread Karl.
 
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Yes it was from 1987 but I don't think shape appeal in pears has changed much. And with that I will bow out of this thread Karl.
I am sorry if I upset you. :confused::confused:

I was mainly looking at the EC numbers 1.3-1.45 is much more common than 1.5+ and I haven't seen a 1.75 in years.
 
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metall - if it is any consolation I find the more "rounded" pears to have better light return because the rounded end IS more like a round
brilliant (of course every stone must be evaluated on its own merits.).

For example...
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/pear-shaped/0.71-carat-i-color-if-clarity-sku-3657027
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/pear-shaped/0.73-carat-j-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-3630101

JA seemed to stop working...so I cant post anymore...;(


It looks exactly like some of these the light return is good and the 'bowtie' looks more like a round than a true bowtie. Which I think is what confuses me. I'm going to go in and look at it again before yekutiel sets. My fiance says the light return (a lot of white light) is good but not a lot of fire (rainbows)...i was worried about the depth being 65.4% when I know ideal range is no more than 62%.

But of @cflutist is right that 1.3 is usually deeper it might not be as much of a concern...and I think it's a little flat in the crown area which is what I'm worried about with light return.

It faces up shorter than a .62 I was looking at but definitely wider....which may not be terrible....
 
There isn't any such thing as an ideal cut pear yet, and I am pretty sure they can be a little over 62 depth. Without an ASET, we really can't tell much about it's light return, but you can't use round numbers for pears. Your stone is the right size for your setting, so the extra depth isn't hurting your actual objective. You just really need an ASET to know, but pears and ovals aren't usually great on light return anyway. So I wouldn't eliminate this stone just yet.
 
Being flat in the crown area will probably affect "fire" more than white light return. I agree with DS that you cant really tell anything from the depth.
I'm glad you will be able to see it again. In general you wont get as much fire off a pear as you will a round so keep that in mind.
 
Not a fan of pear shape. My original stone was 1 carat pear. But I am a big fan or Yekutiel and he will not let you leave unhappy.
 
Hi all,

So so so sorry for the late update, I've been dealing with a squatter in my home who finally finally packed up and left so a lot of cleaning for Thanksgiving this year.

But, back to the bling. Yekutiel reached out to me to send me a video of the diamond that I picked out. Now THAT is what I call AMAZING service so many thumbs way up! Looking at the video I'm wondering if maybe it's a case of absence makes the heart grow anxious rather than fonder? I do still like the shape quite a bit, but in memory and in person it feels like the tail/pointy end is shorter...maybe I'm nuts... There is bright white return and no real bowtie, which I think that this video accurately portrays. But on the same token, no fire, no rainbows. I do notice in the video that it is deeeeeeeeeeep, which i don't necessarily see in person.

The video is here: http://belgiumny.com/account/dnApage?packetno=22540

I am going to go back when the setting arrives, so that I can see it in person and get a feel of how the diamond will look in the pendant. So so relieved about that, i know that sometimes you won't get the full feel of a piece with just the unset stone and some stones are just not meant for some settings.

With that I open this out to the floor: Thoughts? Comments? Concerns? Major problems? all comments welcomed as I anxiously wait to see this piece again.
 
It has a low crown, but I love the shape and think it's pretty.
 
I like the diamond that you picked up and I don't see any problem with it. In fact, it's a beautiful pair, not sallow and not skinny, with puffy rounded shape, excellent light return, no bowtie effect, snow white D color, clean VS1 clarity, what more to ask for?...
 
Wait ..... is there a decision here? Sorry if it was explained, but I'm, a tad lost.
 
It is an excellent little pear...it does exhibit more of a round brilliant end. If that is the shape that you are after then I think
you have found a very nice specimen.
 
Wait ..... is there a decision here? Sorry if it was explained, but I'm, a tad lost.

No decision yet...waiting to see it in a setting on Thursday to decide.

I like the diamond that you picked up and I don't see any problem with it. In fact, it's a beautiful pair, not sallow and not skinny, with puffy rounded shape, excellent light return, no bowtie effect, snow white D color, clean VS1 clarity, what more to ask for?...

It's really that I went home and my fiance made a offhanded comment that made me rethink. I thought the shape was very up my alley (very round...and little squat) but with no picture and home alone with just the cert it looked super deep.

It has a low crown, but I love the shape and think it's pretty.

I didn't even think about the crown....hmmmm...will see in person again and look more closely. Hopefully since the excitement and anxiety will have be a little away i will know whether it was a rushed or impulse decision.

I have looked at enough pear shapes to know that this is my shape preference. I will do more research regarding crown height and depth over the next few days. Hopefully armed with more knowledge I will be more objective.

Anything else I should look at oh wonderful Price scope friends?
 
It is an excellent little pear...it does exhibit more of a round brilliant end. If that is the shape that you are after then I think
you have found a very nice specimen.

Honestly I didn't realize they EVEN came this round! I guess I automatically thought pears would be a oval bottom that comes to a tip so I kept looking for rounder .... Which I think some jewelers I visit translated to flatter across the bottom leading to that flat shoulders @cflutist was pointing out.

Maybe it wasn't so much how "round" it is per say but how "short" it is...cuz the shorter the pear is the 'wider' or 'rounder' it would look....
 
I like it a lot! I prefer chubby pears over longer, skinnier ones. The crown looks fine to me and the table is not too large. Without seeing an ASET image, I see no problem with this stone as it is the right size for that setting. You can't see fire in that video because fire is not present unless a specific kind of light source is present.

I do think it is partly doubts creeping in after being separated from the stone.
 
I quite like it. As mentioned above you would need different lighting to see any fire. It is a bit deep but I really like the shape and the faceting
 
I do think it is partly doubts creeping in after being separated from the stone.

I am so hoping that this is the case...whatever happens I will scrutinize better next time I see it and try to make decisions more from the brain and less from the excitement.

Does anyone see the chip? I don't see it anywhere but maybe I'm just not looking for the right *tell*?
 
You Steve never gonna see a chip in a vvs stone. Even with a loupe. Unless you graduate from the GIA course. :lol::whistle::whistle:
 
So I finally went back to see the unmounted diamond and setting....









And it's a GO! I will be picking up the finished piece on Thursday!!!

Just a sneak peek but here is a picture of it unset:

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ETA: I will make a separate post listing my long journey later tonight when I'm not at work.
 
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