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I can't find a 4 carat EC

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helent

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I am just starting my search for an EC. I am following the Ideal Proportions recommended in the knowledge section and am colour sensitive so am wanting a D colour with clarity of VS1 and above. I have looked at James Allen and some of the other vendors recommended here but I can't find any diamonds available at all in the 4 carat range. While I appreciate ECs are not as common as other cuts I still thought I would have at least found some options. Am I being unrealistic in my expectations or is it simply a matter of time and eventually I will find what I am looking for?
 
Perhaps you should contact some of the recommended vendors and ask them to call in some stones for you, get ASETS and post them for comments by the emerald experts on this forum. Sometimes a well cut, large EC can take some time to find, but certain vendors are very good about calling in stones and helping you evaluate them.
 
I would seriously recommend being open to the colorless range of D-F. You won't see color in an E and the only way you'd see it in F is if you hold a D right next to it, and it will still be white! Finding a well cut stone is hard enough, but limiting color and clarity that much will make it almost impossible.

This is a possibility subject to seeing an ASET image.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/4.02-carat-f-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-323464

This one is only 3 cts, but it is an example of an excellent EC:

https://www.victorcanera.com/diamonds/gz5i55-3.07-f-vs1-emerald-cut

Good Old Gold is excellent at locating well cut stones. They will make you a video like this to help you decide (this is a recent video of smaller ECs).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqGwSPtcBxU&list=UUEV7slr-i-VduBBnfv9MxhA&index=5
 
Good Old Gold can call some in, I had them do that for me and bought from them. I must tell you though, with EC's it is challenging to go by all the specs listed in the charts. You might find one out of the list might not match up but still be beautiful! I know a few of the most gorgeous EC faves here on pricescope would not be "ideal" within those charts.
 
Here's an e and they'll probably take offers

https://www.1stdibs.com/jewelry/rings/solitaire-rings/420-carat-emerald-cut-gia-cert-solitaire-baguette-diamond-ring/id-j_594312/

Here's an f, again. Offer

https://www.1stdibs.com/jewelry/rings/engagement-rings/gia-cert-emerald-cut-f-vs1-diamond-platinum-ring/id-j_157698/

from what i see just scanning the ps search tol, these seem lile very fair prices, if not a lower price as they are second hand. Also if say don't be too anal about the "numbers being ideal" theyre not as hard of rules as say, for rounds, you can find a beautiful EC that may be a little deep or a slightly larger table.

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The F diamond and ring Niel posted are absolutely gorgeous! I definitely agree with looking at 1st Dibs. Those are usually second hand and the prices should be more negotiable.
 
Unless you have no time line at all, I would reach out to a specific vendor to do the search for you. The parameters do not guarantee a well cut EC, so make sure the vendor you select will take pictures, make a video, and provide ASET imaging.
 
HI:

Great suggestions so far!

Here is a Canadian site--shopping across border, you will realize 25% in the dollar exchange..... But no D colors unfortunately...

http://vanrijkestatejewellers.com/fine-jewellery/luxury-rings/ladies-4.85-carat-emerald-cut-diamond-ring-with-baguette-cut-sidestones-sku-A3304

http://vanrijkestatejewellers.com/fine-jewellery/luxury-rings/ladies-4.85-carat-emerald-cut-diamond-ring-with-baguette-cut-sidestones-sku-A3304

There is another 8 carat stone, but again a J color.

cheers--Sharon
 
What are the chances that a stone that hits the exact 4.00 ct mark will perform well? I'd be interested in seeing the GIA lab report, which isn't posted and although the picture looks great, there is a strange facet reflection at 12 o'clock that looks like a prong. I am not familiar with this vendor, hence my caution, not to mention the large amount of money involved.

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Edited incorrect ct weight.
 
Chrono|1439394468|3913715 said:
What are the chances that a stone that hits the exact 2.00 ct mark will perform well? I'd be interested in seeing the GIA lab report, which isn't posted and although the picture looks great, there is a strange facet reflection at 12 o'clock that looks like a prong. I am not familiar with this vendor, hence my caution, not to mention the large amount of money involved.
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I agree I'd go to any vendor i was considering and see the stone in person. With this type of money on the line, and how much you may be saving going second hand, I'd pay for a train/plain ticket to go see it
 
There are virtually no perfect emerald cut diamonds, I don't care what size they are. But the Tiffany fancy cuts are consistently some of the best of all I have seen.

I'd never buy any expensive stone without either having it shipped to me to look at or flying to see if perhaps it was somewhere like NYC where there would be multiple rings/stones to go see. I was assuming she would do that.
 
Thanks for the video! The setting is awesome but the EC is not for me.
 
Chrono|1439397910|3913725 said:
Thanks for the video! The setting is awesome but the EC is not for me.
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Yeah it's a tad dark...I'm a fan of the F setting and stone myself, from what I can see. Wish I had a video of that
 
If you go to instagram and search diamond scene they have a video of it. The video is quite striking. I tried to get a still, but alas, not as good.

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Found another one.

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Can I still find it if I don't have Instagram? Oh my, after that last picture, I really want to view the video!
 
Chrono|1439400571|3913747 said:
Can I still find it if I don't have Instagram? Oh my, after that last picture, I really want to view the video!
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Ummm. I think if you go to instagram.com and search you can still see his stuff
 
I am overwhelmed by the support I am receiving - thank you all!

I think I am going to have to go with the advice of working with one vendor as I am based in Brisbane, Australia, so it is a long way for me to travel (and extra expense) to look at stones. The easier option is for me to have stones sent to me to look at but I am not even sure if any US based vendors would ship to Australia without me having bought the stone?

Looking at the stones you have referred me to they are around $20 000 cheaper than what I am expecting to pay here so my preference is still to buy through an online vendor. Suggestions please as to who is best to use for EC and in dealing with someone over seas?

Re colour sensitivity - I have a three stone ring of D coloured diamonds and also have a ring with G colour stones and I really don't like the two rings together as I found the G colour stones so dark next to the white stones. Am I going to feel the same way with a E/F coloured EC?
 
I'm based in Aus too, so hopefully, I can be of help re your query about shipping here. I don't think any vendor will ship to you unless you have purchased the stone, though you would be able to return it depending on their return policy. However, please bear in mind that you will be hit pretty hard by the ATO when you bring the stones in, I'm not sure how you would go about getting a refund if you returned the ring, but my guess would be that it would be a nuisance.

My advice would be to use the money you are saving by buying in the US and treat yourself to a lovely holiday involving a lot of diamond site-seeing :)

That said, you'd still be liable for tax when you bring the ring into Aus.
 
Chrono|1439394468|3913715 said:
What are the chances that a stone that hits the exact 4.00 ct mark will perform well? I'd be interested in seeing the GIA lab report, which isn't posted and although the picture looks great, there is a strange facet reflection at 12 o'clock that looks like a prong. I am not familiar with this vendor, hence my caution, not to mention the large amount of money involved.

ETA
Edited incorrect ct weight.
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What would cause the prong reflection at 12 o'clock?
 
helent|1439439110|3913964 said:
I am overwhelmed by the support I am receiving - thank you all!

I think I am going to have to go with the advice of working with one vendor as I am based in Brisbane, Australia, so it is a long way for me to travel (and extra expense) to look at stones. The easier option is for me to have stones sent to me to look at but I am not even sure if any US based vendors would ship to Australia without me having bought the stone?

Looking at the stones you have referred me to they are around $20 000 cheaper than what I am expecting to pay here so my preference is still to buy through an online vendor. Suggestions please as to who is best to use for EC and in dealing with someone over seas?

Re colour sensitivity - I have a three stone ring of D coloured diamonds and also have a ring with G colour stones and I really don't like the two rings together as I found the G colour stones so dark next to the white stones. Am I going to feel the same way with a E/F coloured EC?
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That you describe the difference as "dark" rather than "yellow" makes me think this is quite possibly a case of "apparent colour difference" created by differences in optics (different flavones with different proportions return light differently), as opposed to an actual body colour difference.

That said, by putting Gs next to Ds you highlight what little difference in body colour there is in the most exaggerated way possible - it's generally advised to stay within one colour grade on sidestones, or rings you're planning to always wear together :))

How large are those Gs? By themselves are they too tinted for you? You won't be wearing your D three stone right next to your EC but of course, if you hold them right up next to each other, you'll most likely see a difference even with an F given the size we're talking about (more material to concentrate what minuscule amount of body colour there is)...
 
Magpie4426|1439440593|3913971 said:
I'm based in Aus too, so hopefully, I can be of help re your query about shipping here. I don't think any vendor will ship to you unless you have purchased the stone, though you would be able to return it depending on their return policy. However, please bear in mind that you will be hit pretty hard by the ATO when you bring the stones in, I'm not sure how you would go about getting a refund if you returned the ring, but my guess would be that it would be a nuisance.

My advice would be to use the money you are saving by buying in the US and treat yourself to a lovely holiday involving a lot of diamond site-seeing :)

That said, you'd still be liable for tax when you bring the ring into Aus.
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+1

However, get a few vendors or to work for you... ie get them to come up with 2-3 stones in preparation for your trip to the USA. in the mean time get them to email you potential stones (video/images etc) now so that you (and us of course) can vet them. That way your trip to the USA would be to choose the cream of the crop with YOUR eyes. Hopefully the vendors are within close proximity of each other so that you dont have to travel too far to view the stones. :-)

i am not entirely sure where most vendors are, but i know the following:

GOG= NY (note it is not in NYC... it is in Long island and it is an hour train ride from NYC. it is a nice trip- i did it at xmas)
BGD= Texas

A few things to consider, but not essential:
1) setting.. have you decided on the setting you would like? it may be easier to stick to the same vendor who gets the stone for you, as shipping stones from one vendor to another can be tricky with warranty issues, but it can be done.
2) find out the time it takes to make the setting.. ie 2 weeks or 4 weeks from the time you choose the stone and their bench having the stone, for the ring to be made. it may then determine how long you stay for your holiday!!! that way you can pick up your ring and savour that moment of enjoying it right there and then...:-)
3) depending on where the vendor is situated, there may be state taxes that you would have to pay as well.
4) if it is AUD$20k cheaper to buy online in the USA.. that is a lot of saving which can give you a nice flight and accommodation whilst you are there. and maybe some change left over to deal with the tax when returning to australia, 'cos goods over AUD$900 must be declared.


happy shopping...

you are in great hands when choosing and EC with the posters that have replied already. :wavey: :wavey:
 
Darkness isn't related to colour sensitivity; typically darkness (if we are both talking about the same thing) is due to the cut. Colour differences is usually noted by whiteness versus warmth or yellowness.
 
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