How to set a POH in a halo & opinions

[RockyMountainRocks]

I had much the same issue when deciding on my girls engagement ring, POH or AVC? Pricescope can be your best friend or worst enemy based on too much information. After going through all the details I settled on the POH for a few reasons. My girl wanted a Canadian diamond (we are Canadian), she wanted something different (not a square or round), and lastly she wanted something very few people would have let alone be able to properly identify. So I got her a 2.25 CT POH, AGS 000, H, VS2 (VVS2 on the GIA Cert, VS2 on AGS), with a maple leaf and AGS number on the girdle along with Hearts and Arrows ideal inscribed on the girdle. I didn't have to sacrifice size, color, cut or clarity. On the clipped corners it is 7.36 mm across, but on the sides it is 8.58 mm. Very happy with the purchase and is a straight up laser light show.

See attached pic.

 

[sonnyjane]

I had much the same issue when deciding on my girls engagement ring, POH or AVC? Pricescope can be your best friend or worst enemy based on too much information. After going through all the details I settled on the POH for a few reasons. My girl wanted a Canadian diamond (we are Canadian), she wanted something different (not a square or round), and lastly she wanted something very few people would have let alone be able to properly identify. So I got her a 2.25 CT POH, AGS 000, H, VS2 (VVS2 on the GIA Cert, VS2 on AGS), with a maple leaf and AGS number on the girdle along with Hearts and Arrows ideal inscribed on the girdle. I didn't have to sacrifice size, color, cut or clarity. On the clipped corners it is 7.36 mm across, but on the sides it is 8.58 mm. Very happy with the purchase and is a straight up laser light show.

See attached pic.

Gorgeous ring... BUT... to a layman, that just will look like a princess cut. If this guy's fiancee really wants something totally different, I don't think a POH is the way to go, especially not mounted that way.

 

[RockyMountainRocks]

I totally agree, much like Gypsy's issue with her Asscher being mistaken as a Princess. When it comes down to it a solid 95% of the public has no idea about different types of cuts and specifications etc. They only see the principal shape, from a distance. My only real point was does his soon to be wife want other people to know it is different or does it really only matter that she knows? There are tons of people who mistake square cushions as Princess cuts, sometimes you just have to forgive people's ignorance, which is mainly due to their curiosity and lack of education.

I would take the respondent advice and have her Mom, BF, Sis etc take a look at the stones and let you know what they think she will like. I just wanted to post what a larger POH looks like from somewhat close for the gent looking for the stone to give him some perspective. The POH does have some chunk to it as well and does not sparkle at all like a princess but more like a chunky round. Obviously the chunk king is the AVC and if thats what she is looking for there will be few if any substitutes.

Frankly I think it will be hard to go wrong whether you choose an AVC or POH. I would also look at ERD and see if Mark can come up with a really nice Cushion or maybe even source a pre-loved Cushette or something like that. Just to leave your options open.

Also do not post any pics or stats of a stone that you do not have on hold. Harsh lesson to learn, but lurkers are always watching.

 

[vintagelover229]

Have you seen this one? I know it's not an AVC but it's still a nice looking stone and it's under 15k

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9817/

I'd also take a good look at all these stones-comparing color/shape/etc

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9813/

I think this is the R you're checking out
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9409/


And the L-this stone looks YUMMY

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9247/


I'd also check this one out
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/7801/

More of a crushed ice look-but some people like that

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9423/

This is a bit more rectangular for an AVC
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9210/

And I know this is a bit over budget and P in color but it looks like stunning stone-Haven has a P antique cushion in a rose gold setting

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9349/

I'm sure you've seen all of these already by searching though GOG inventory but I thought I'd link them just in case.







Have you looked at this one from jewelsbyericagrace? It's under 9k and measures 6.89 x 6.73 x 4.96mm and is GIA K, VVS1

http://jewelsbyericagrace.smugmug.com/Jewelry/Loose-Diamonds/159ct-Antique-Cushion-Cut/25127643_KbkpTb#!i=2060286060&k=JZZhFRm

 

[yopeyone]

Have you seen this one? I know it's not an AVC but it's still a nice looking stone and it's under 15k

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9817/

I'd also take a good look at all these stones-comparing color/shape/etc

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9813/

I think this is the R you're checking out
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9409/


And the L-this stone looks YUMMY

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9247/


I'd also check this one out
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/7801/

More of a crushed ice look-but some people like that

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9423/

This is a bit more rectangular for an AVC
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9210/

And I know this is a bit over budget and P in color but it looks like stunning stone-Haven has a P antique cushion in a rose gold setting

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9349/

I'm sure you've seen all of these already by searching though GOG inventory but I thought I'd link them just in case.







Have you looked at this one from jewelsbyericagrace? It's under 9k and measures 6.89 x 6.73 x 4.96mm and is GIA K, VVS1

http://jewelsbyericagrace.smugmug.com/Jewelry/Loose-Diamonds/159ct-Antique-Cushion-Cut/25127643_KbkpTb#!i=2060286060&k=JZZhFRm

I actually went to GOG for a visit today. I would recommend actually taking a physical visit to anybody. Nothing compares to seeing the diamonds in person.

A few thoughts: The POH looks nothing like a princess in real life. However, I removed it from my short list. It's an awesome looking stone, but with the naked eye, it wasn't substantially different looking than a modern cushion I checked out (the one you have linked above). It happened to be a nice looking modern cushion w/ decent sized facets. It didn't have a crushed ice / radiant look at all.

I am now weighing between 2 options and this setting: http://www.gabrielny.com/engaged/style/ER6872W44JJ

The two diamonds on my short list are:

1.79 J VS2 Modern Cushion: http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9813/
1.13 G VS2 AVC: http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9737/

Pretty decent size difference from a ct standpoint, but not a huge difference from a mm standpoint. It's noticeable, but both will look nice. The prices are within $1000 of each other. So that POH is up for grabs to anyone who wants it!

 

[ecf8503]

Glad you got to see them in person! (wish I could visit there...)

I like the AVC personally. But then... I have one... and I love it...

 

[Gypsy]

I think the G VS AVC would get my vote of those options. Setting is nice and well priced (they can make it for a cushion right?). Overall, I think that's a great combo.

 

[GirlyGirl]

Great choices! I love the setting too.

I think the mm difference is appreciable. The 1.79 face up is 23% larger than the 1.13. That's a lot of finger coverage! Would she prefer a larger diamond? Would she like the higher crown of the AVC? They are both very beautifand I am glad you got to see them in person.

If it helps, the 1.79 is more of a "deal" as it is not a branded cut. I have an AVC and adore it, but having 23% more finger coverage would be tempting.

 

[Spesh2011]

No matter which you choose, the ring is going to be fabulous.

I vote for the modern cushion. Gorgeous!

 

[grapegravity]

modern cushion +1

 

[Dougsgirl]

Wow... that is going to be one beautiful ring!! Are you still going to do it in rose gold?? Stunning!

As for the diamonds... tough choice!! I LOVE the cut of the AVC, hands down, but I prefer the size of the modern cushion. And it looks like a beautiful stone as well!! Like you said to me... Go with your gut. There is no wrong answer. Which one would you be the most disappointed if someone bought it out from under you?? If you had 10 seconds to choose or had to forfeit both... which would you choose?? Go with THAT one!

 

[yopeyone]

As a deal seeker myself, the modern appeals to me more, but the AVC is very nice.

She specifically prefers dainty, and does not like gaudy. But there's quite a premium to pay on those AVC's.

Here's a pic of both

 

[Spesh2011]

Is that the actual setting or just a placeholder setting so you could see the stones?

I might have to change my mind to the AVC! LOL

This is one of my favorite Gabriel settings ....

http://www.gabrielny.com/amavida/style/ER7925W83JJ

 

[mandasand]

I vote for the AVC...but, may I recommend this setting:
http://www.gabrielny.com/engaged/style/ER7527W44JJ

I've tried this one on and it is so pretty...it has a more vintage look than the other one. GOG did a video of this setting with an AVC...just a consideration for you!
http://www.goodoldgold.com/Settingvideos/Tacori_Settings/Gabriel_Settings/

And, if she likes dainty, then go with the AVC...the 1.79 in the halo is much more "gaudy." it's beautiful, but for someone that likes dainty, go with a smaller diamond. She can always upgrade in the future!

 

[Dreamer_D]

Another option, but also pre-loved.

I agree with people saying stick to near colorless. I have seen an M color AVC and more other diamond than i care to count. I can absolutely see the body tint in an M color stone, it is a very different look than a near colorless.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Glad you had a nice visit to GOG! Since she wants a stone that no one else she knows has, the AVC is going to fit that desire much better than the other stone since modern cushions are readily accessible. It is good if you are now considering white metal for the ring. I'd find the Gabriel setting similar to that one that is meant for a cushion instead of using one meant for a round.

 

[yopeyone]

Glad you had a nice visit to GOG! Since she wants a stone that no one else she knows has, the AVC is going to fit that desire much better than the other stone since modern cushions are readily accessible. It is good if you are now considering white metal for the ring. I'd find the Gabriel setting similar to that one that is meant for a cushion instead of using one meant for a round.

Still going for Rose Gold - I don't have much info on what she wants, but that I know for sure. I did see that one in person - I am considering it as well, but per GOG, the one meant for a round could also work for the cushions.

I agree - it's just the size that's throwing me off to be honest. The 1.79 has a noticeable size advantage on the AVC.

In this video they put together for me, the AVC is the clear winner... but in person, I actually liked the Modern a lot. Jonathan also said it was a nice performing modern.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzHtNif-Op4

 

[yopeyone]

Is that the actual setting or just a placeholder setting so you could see the stones?

I might have to change my mind to the AVC! LOL

This is one of my favorite Gabriel settings ....

http://www.gabrielny.com/amavida/style/ER7925W83JJ

Those are placeholders just so I can see what they looked like. They are two different ones - the AVC is in a really expensive one called "the perfect halo". It is what it says it is... but it's super pricey. So don't let the settings sway you guys. Just look at the stones.

 

[yopeyone]

Wow... that is going to be one beautiful ring!! Are you still going to do it in rose gold?? Stunning!

As for the diamonds... tough choice!! I LOVE the cut of the AVC, hands down, but I prefer the size of the modern cushion. And it looks like a beautiful stone as well!! Like you said to me... Go with your gut. There is no wrong answer. Which one would you be the most disappointed if someone bought it out from under you?? If you had 10 seconds to choose or had to forfeit both... which would you choose?? Go with THAT one!

That's great advice. People keep telling me to go AVC in person. My brain is telling me to go with the AVC, but my gut is telling me to go with the modern.

I keep thinking - sure, it's unique NOW, but as chunky facets increase in popularity, will it always be unique? Is this a fad?

I also keep thinking about the math:

$6,170 per carat for the modern and $232 per square mm of spread
$8,255 per carat for the AVC and $240 per square mm of spread

Also, the original picture I have from her shows a modern cushion... tough choice but I have to make it SOON. I have 2 stones on hold and I told GOG i'll make my choice by tuesday when they open back up.

 

[Dougsgirl]

One more thing to consider (and this is a bit of encouragement for you, from one perfectionist to another...)

I am a photographer and sometimes when I am editing photos I get bogged down with "should I choose this photo or that photo", should I do this "treatment" or that one... Will my customer like THIS image or THAT image better...

Bottom line... the customer is NOT going to see all of the images that I had to choose from... they are ONLY going to see the finished product... and they ALWAYS love it!!

Your GF is not going to see all the choices... she is only going to see the finished ring, and to HER it will be perfect. She will not be comparing it with the one you DIDN'T choose. Rest in the fact that she will love it because it's from YOU.

One more thing... if you can afford both stones... take the money out of the equation. Don't buy the one that's the better "bargain". Get which ever one is the BEST... which ever one you LOVE... She is worth it.

 

[pancake]

I'm not a fan of modern cushions but that J is beautiful!!!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Wow... that is going to be one beautiful ring!! Are you still going to do it in rose gold?? Stunning!

As for the diamonds... tough choice!! I LOVE the cut of the AVC, hands down, but I prefer the size of the modern cushion. And it looks like a beautiful stone as well!! Like you said to me... Go with your gut. There is no wrong answer. Which one would you be the most disappointed if someone bought it out from under you?? If you had 10 seconds to choose or had to forfeit both... which would you choose?? Go with THAT one!

That's great advice. People keep telling me to go AVC in person. My brain is telling me to go with the AVC, but my gut is telling me to go with the modern.

I keep thinking - sure, it's unique NOW, but as chunky facets increase in popularity, will it always be unique? Is this a fad?

I also keep thinking about the math:

$6,170 per carat for the modern and $232 per square mm of spread
$8,255 per carat for the AVC and $240 per square mm of spread

Also, the original picture I have from her shows a modern cushion... tough choice but I have to make it SOON. I have 2 stones on hold and I told GOG i'll make my choice by tuesday when they open back up.

Actually, the chunky faceted cushions are over 100 years old. I'd worry more about the modern cushions going out of favor!

Did you rule out K color in the AVC? This one faces up larger than the one you were looking at:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9282/

 

[GirlyGirl]

I am changing my vote to the AVC.

I love the size and look of the modern cushion. But, it is very square and not as chunky. As you said that she doesn't know much about diamonds, she herself might mistake it for a princess.

The AVC is very, very unique in the world outside of PS. I have one and no one knows what it is.

 

[yopeyone]

Wow... that is going to be one beautiful ring!! Are you still going to do it in rose gold?? Stunning!

As for the diamonds... tough choice!! I LOVE the cut of the AVC, hands down, but I prefer the size of the modern cushion. And it looks like a beautiful stone as well!! Like you said to me... Go with your gut. There is no wrong answer. Which one would you be the most disappointed if someone bought it out from under you?? If you had 10 seconds to choose or had to forfeit both... which would you choose?? Go with THAT one!

That's great advice. People keep telling me to go AVC in person. My brain is telling me to go with the AVC, but my gut is telling me to go with the modern.

I keep thinking - sure, it's unique NOW, but as chunky facets increase in popularity, will it always be unique? Is this a fad?

I also keep thinking about the math:

$6,170 per carat for the modern and $232 per square mm of spread
$8,255 per carat for the AVC and $240 per square mm of spread

Also, the original picture I have from her shows a modern cushion... tough choice but I have to make it SOON. I have 2 stones on hold and I told GOG i'll make my choice by tuesday when they open back up.

Actually, the chunky faceted cushions are over 100 years old. I'd worry more about the modern cushions going out of favor!

Did you rule out K color in the AVC? This one faces up larger than the one you were looking at:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9282/

I'm happy to go to about a j in color and si1 in clarity around 10 grand or so. But I want larger I think than both of these. That's the single thing holding me back... Size. The avc is great but their stock is limited in my parameters

 

[yopeyone]

I am changing my vote to the AVC.

I love the size and look of the modern cushion. But, it is very square and not as chunky. As you said that she doesn't know much about diamonds, she herself might mistake it for a princess.

The AVC is very, very unique in the world outside of PS. I have one and no one knows what it is.

Not sure she'd mistake it - but yes, you're right. The AVC is very unique.

I need to sometimes step back and think about what I was given to begin with as an example of what she wants.

What size rock do you think is in that?

Also adding one more pic - ignore the diamond in the middle - it's not an option, it was there for comparison purposes only.

 

[GirlyGirl]

I'm happy to go to about a j in color and si1 in clarity around 10 grand or so. But I want larger I think than both of these. That's the single thing holding me back... Size. The avc is great but their stock is limited in my parameters

Hmm. I might be changing my mind again. Your gut is to go for the modern cushion. So go with the modern cushion. It is what she asked for. It is the size you want. It is within your budget. It is very beautiful. Again, she asked for a cushion and you found a very well performing cushion. I think she would be very happy with this choice.

 

[Gypsy]

That's not a diamond in the center of the 'inspiration' picture. It's a light pink colored stone, Portuguese Cut. Probably a morganite or other similar light pink stone.

I think the modern cushion is going to give you a very similar look. And it's square. I still like the AVC but... the modern cushion is larger, square, and will get you closest to the look she wants in that image.

 

[Dougsgirl]

I agree with Gypsy.
Unless you can miraculously find a larger AVC in your budget and parameters, go with the Modern cushion. It's bigger, it's beautiful, it's in the setting she wants... She won't be comparing it to what she hasn't seen. It will be a stunning ring!

 

[Gypsy]

And once again... THIS IS THE CORRECT SETTING: http://www.beverleyk.com/semi-mounts/8wr1222-d-d-m.html I know you keep going back to the Gabriel and Company settings, but THIS ONE IS THE ONE THAT IS CLOSEST TO HER INSPIRATION RING.

Good Old Gold carries Beverly K AND the setting comes in rose gold.

 

[GirlyGirl]

Wow, Gypsy! The Bev K ring is a dead ringer for the one in the inspiration picture. Nice find, as always.

http://www.beverleyk.com/8wr1222-d-d-m.html


Yopeyone, I am getting a little jealous of your soon to be fiancée. You have put in so much thought and work. Whatever you choose will be perfect for her.