How much should this one cost?

[whatadai]

Just wondering how much this one should cost. I know a lot of people here like to get a much lower quality and color to get a higher carat, but that's not my thing, plus her finger is small and she doesn't like being flashy so I was just looking for around a 1 carat. I also know that it scores poorly on HCA, but I'm fine with that.

This is also at a store, not online, so the price I was given may not be as competitive compared to online prices.

http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=1169604738

 

[heididdl]

Just wondering how much this one should cost. I know a lot of people here like to get a much lower quality and color to get a higher carat, but that's not my thing, plus her finger is small and she doesn't like being flashy so I was just looking for around a 1 carat. I also know that it scores poorly on HCA, but I'm fine with that.

This is also at a store, not online, so the price I was given may not be as competitive compared to online prices.

http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=1169604738

I think you are reading this forum incorrectly. Even the trade PS would agree we are not lowering quality to get larger stones. It is just not necessary to spend money on colorless stones D, E, F when G & H are near colorless and I am guessing that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference if it was shown to you. One carat is a very respectible size stone. The poor HCA means that it will not a well cut stone. If you are not interested in an ideally cut stone then why go with a diamond at all. The reason diamonds are so desirable is their fire, sintilation sexiness in the way the reflect the light as well as a symbol of your love. Wouldn't you want your FG to be proud of what she is wearing. So you want F color but a pooly cut stone.

I think you need to reread this forum.

This stone is way to deep the crown angle is to big. So getting an F vvs1 stone with no optics is just paying for nothing sorry to be mean but I think you missed the concept

We are not saying we like big rocks. We are saying we like a stone with brillance, that is an ideal cut. Color and clarity is only part of the picture . Although I hate this phrase but in this case its true CUT IS KING WHEN PURCHASING S DIAMOND.

 

[whatadai]

Just wondering how much this one should cost. I know a lot of people here like to get a much lower quality and color to get a higher carat, but that's not my thing, plus her finger is small and she doesn't like being flashy so I was just looking for around a 1 carat. I also know that it scores poorly on HCA, but I'm fine with that.

This is also at a store, not online, so the price I was given may not be as competitive compared to online prices.

http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=1169604738

I think you are reading this forum incorrectly. Even the trade PS would agree we are not lowering quality to get larger stones. It is just not necessary to spend money on colorless stones D, E, F when G & H are near colorless and I am guessing that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference if it was shown to you. I carat is a very respectible size stone. The poor HCA means that it will not be a flashy stone. If you are not interested in an ideally cut stone then why go with a diamond at all. The reason diamonds are so desirable is their fire, sintilation sexiness in the way the reflect the light as well as a symbol of your love. Woulldn't you want your FG to be proud of what she is wearing. So you want F color but a pooly cut stone.

I think you need to reread this forum.

How is it a poorly cut stone? It's rated excellent and it had hearts and arrows when I saw it with a hearts and arrows scope and they were very symmetrical. Just because the girdle is a little too thick at parts making the average depth a little higher, it scores poorly on HCA. I saw it with my own eyes and it flashed plenty. I've read the forum plenty and I see a lot of people being told to go down in color and clarity to get a larger stone, to each his own, but I didn't want a larger carat and didn't look into those so I'd rather throw my money at the color and clarity.

Just because I said I don't care about HCA, my reason for a diamond is questioned? I thought you weren't suppose to attack people on this forum? If you weren't going to answer the question I was asking, why post at all?

 

[heididdl]

An ideal cut stone has table 54-58
depth 60-62.3
crown angle 34-35


.93 is a great size . I am not arguing the size I am just saying you should consider the cut as well as color and clairty and it is not the girdle that concerns me it the depth and the crown angle
the depth of this stone is much deeper
and the crown angle is 36

these throw of the cut of the stone making it not an ideal cut. I did answer the question. Again you are reading what you want and missing the point that cut is the most important aspect of a RB stone.

Hearts and Arrows is brand name not all H&A are perfect cut...you get to pay extra for the H&A also.....

I would stick with an AGS00 stone this way you are assured with ideal cut

 

[whatadai]

An ideal cut stone has table 54-58
depth 60-62.3
crown angle 34-35

the depth of this stone is much deeper
and the crown angle is 36

these throw of the cut of the stone making it not an ideal cut. I did answer the question. Again you are reading what you want and missing the point that cut is the most important aspect of a RB stone.

So you're saying because of that, this diamond has no value at all? I know the range that people on this site use for diamonds, but I've read dozens of sites and everyone has a different range for an ideal cut diamond. From my eyes, it was flashy. All I'm asking is how much is it worth paying for this diamond?

 

[CanuckAB]

The problem with this diamond is that the pavilion angle and depth should be lower. This diamond will end up looking smaller than what a well cut .93c should look like and the performance will be diminished due to the crown and pavilion angles not working well together. The lighting in the stores is such that even bad stones look good.

I bought my diamond at a store and was able to find a beautiful 1c stone with a great HCA score. (Mine had a crown angle of 36 and pavilion angle of 40. They work together & my stone is AMAZING!) It CAN be done but you may have to work harder. I would ask to see more stones until you find a better one.

 

[heididdl]

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.900-g-vs2-round-diamond-ags-104070945030

look at this stone

 

[CanuckAB]

Now that looks like an amazing stone!

OP, most people here would not even consider your stone at any price so it's not worth asking that. You are being told that you can do better...

 

[whatadai]

Now that looks like an amazing stone!

OP, most people here would not even consider your stone at any price so it's not worth asking that. You are being told that you can do better...

Why wouldn't it be considered? Just because it doesn't fall into HCA ranges?

And how can you tell that it looks like an amazing stone? Cause it falls into those ranges? All the spinning pictures for all the diamonds look the same and look like they're from an infomercial. How do I know how flashy it is from a picture? Does the brightness of your room and/or monitor affect that image?

 

[OECsareforLovers]

This stone looks like its pretty comparable to yours and its $8,399.

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-ideal-cut-e-color-vvs1-clarity_LD04193683?click_id=211633241

The stone Heidi suggested is a beauty and less expensive. So why not get a better performing stone that will look like the same color and clarity to the naked eye as the one you picked out????

 

[whatadai]

This stone looks like its pretty comparable to yours and its $8,399.

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-ideal-cut-e-color-vvs1-clarity_LD04193683?click_id=211633241

The stone Heidi suggested is a beauty and less expensive. So why not get a better performing stone that will look like the same color and clarity to the naked eye as the one you picked out????

That's the problem here...I don't know how you guys know it's a better performing stone when you haven't seen that stone or the stone I looked at.

 

[MarionC]

A diamond with excellent light performance looks great in any kind of light. One with "good" performance may look great under jewelry store lights but dead in other lighting situations, ie., real life. You seem happy with this diamond. If I could suggest looking at it outside, in regular, varied lighting situations and in a dark corner. Even in the corner with your back to the light, the diamond should perform.

 

[CanuckAB]

Where's Gypsy when we need her?

Ok, in brief: the performance of a diamond is based on how the light enters the stone and is reflected back to you. To do this well, the angles have to be right to reflect the light back to you with minimal leakage. HCA scores less than 2 help people like you and me know that the angle combinations are working well together. Buy that diamond if you want but I bet you'll be paying just as much if not more than the diamonds you have had suggested to you. If you had yours side by side with a well cut stone, you would see and understand what you are being told here. Unfortunately you are comparing it to other poorly cut diamonds that you are being shown in the store so you are not getting what we are trying to say. It's like comparing apples to oranges...

Edit: We know a lot about round diamonds from the numbers. The angles etc work, or they don't. Other cuts are harder to know what is going on without more info.

 

[OECsareforLovers]

This stone looks like its pretty comparable to yours and its $8,399.

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-ideal-cut-e-color-vvs1-clarity_LD04193683?click_id=211633241

The stone Heidi suggested is a beauty and less expensive. So why not get a better performing stone that will look like the same color and clarity to the naked eye as the one you picked out????

That's the problem here...I don't know how you guys know it's a better performing stone when you haven't seen that stone or the stone I looked at.

OP, let me rephrase. The probability of the AGS000 being a better performing stone than yours is much higher than the alternative. I'm saying this based on the HCA score of the AGS stone being under the rejection criteria and your stone being over the rejection criteria, and bc many on PS feel that AGS000 is a more exclusive club than GIA triple excellent.

Jimmi is giving you good advice. Also you can ask your local jeweler if they can give you an Idealscope image.

 

[whatadai]

This stone looks like its pretty comparable to yours and its $8,399.

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-ideal-cut-e-color-vvs1-clarity_LD04193683?click_id=211633241

The stone Heidi suggested is a beauty and less expensive. So why not get a better performing stone that will look like the same color and clarity to the naked eye as the one you picked out????

That's the problem here...I don't know how you guys know it's a better performing stone when you haven't seen that stone or the stone I looked at.

OP, let me rephrase. The probability of the AGS000 being a better performing stone than yours is much higher than the alternative. I'm saying this based on the HCA score of the AGS stone being under the rejection criteria and your stone being over the rejection criteria, and bc many on PS feel that AGS000 is a more exclusive club than GIA triple excellent.

Jimmi is giving you good advice. Also you can ask your local jeweler if they can give you an Idealscope image.

So everyone is just using HCA? I could have used HCA myself and already knew that the score wasn't great. How am I suppose to trust you guys when I don't know what your experience in diamond is except for the fact that you use HCA? A five year old can enter the 4-5 numbers needed into HCA and get results and act like a diamond expert.

I'm also not so sure I trust HCA. I entered the information into HCA and got a 3.6. Then I changed the information from the crown and pavillion angles to the crown and pavillion %'s and got a 2.7. How am I suppose to trust this thing when it's giving me such a wide range of results with the same stone?

 

[Gypsy]

Its not the PSers feel that AGS0 is more restrictive than GIA Ex. It is a fact. GIA Ex is broader than AGS0. GIA has 4 catagories for cut. AGS has 8.

You don't run HCA on AGS0's unless the numbers are completely wonktastic or the ASET on the lab report looks funny. AGS0 trumps HCA (EDITED).

I'll blurb you guys more in a minute.

 

[Gypsy]

From John Pollard:

HCA usage warnings here: https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/holloway-cut-advisor

In Context

Just imagine that you're trying to get to know someone's looks and personality...

An HCA score is merely like having a chalk outline of the person.
Grading report numbers are like having the person's height, weight and clothing measurements.
An ASET or Ideal-Scope (for RB) image is like having a still photo of the person.
An AGS Platinum "0" in performance is like a panel of judges confirming that the person's personality and looks are solid.
A 3D scan in sophisticated cut-calculation software is like having a video interview with the person.

Eventually, it's a lot of great information. All told it's enough for an experienced cut-specialist to make very detailed performance predictions. But in the end, a live date (dinner & a movie?) will be how you finally judge total personality and looks as you, individually, perceive them.

I hope this is helpful.

 

[Gypsy]

The entire purpose of faceting a diamond is to reflect light.
How well or how poorly a diamond does this determines how beautiful it is.
How well a diamond performs is determined by the angles and cutting. This is why we say cut is king.
No other factor: not color, not clarity has as much of an impact on the appearance of a diamond as its cut. An ideal H will out white a poorly cut F. And GIA Ex is not enough.
So how to we ensure that we have the right angles and cutting to get the light performance we want?
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-cut
Well one method is to start with a GIA Ex, and then apply the HCA to it. YOU DO NOT USE HCA for AGS0 stones.
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/holloway-cut-advisor
The HCA is a rejection tool. Not a selection tool. It uses 4 data points to make a rudimentary call on how the diamond may perform. It's only goal is to weed out stones that have angles that do not normally result in ideal light performance.
If the diamond passes then you know that you are in the right zone in terms of angles for light performance. Under 2 is a pass. Under 2.5-2.1 is a maybe. 2.6 and over is a no. No score 2 and under is better than any other.
Is that enough? Not really.
So what you need is a way to check actual light performance of your actual stone.
That's what an idealscope image does. https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/firescope-idealscope
It shows you how and wear your diamond is reflecting light, how well it is going at it, and where you are losing light return. That is why you won't see us recommending Blue Nile, as they do not provide idealscope images for their diamonds. James Allen, BGD, GOG, ERD, HPD and WF do.

The Idealscope is the 'selection tool'. Not the HCA. The HCA is just used narrow and predict which stones will have a good idealscope image.
So yes, with a GIA stone you need the idealscope images. Or you can buy an idealscope yourself and take it in to the jeweler you are working with to check the stones yourself. Or if you have a good return policy (full refund minimum 7 days) then you can buy the idealscope, buy the stone, and do it at home.


Now if you want to skip all that... stick to AGS0 stones and then all you have to do is pick color and clarity and you know you have a great performing diamond. Because AGS has already done the checking for you. That's why they trade at a premium.

 

[OECsareforLovers]

Thanks for posting Gypsy. That was really helpful, I hope the OP sees your post.

 

[heididdl]

The entire purpose of faceting a diamond is to reflect light.
How well or how poorly a diamond does this determines how beautiful it is.
How well a diamond performs is determined by the angles and cutting. This is why we say cut is king.
No other factor: not color, not clarity has as much of an impact on the appearance of a diamond as its cut. An ideal H will out white a poorly cut F. And GIA Ex is not enough.
So how to we ensure that we have the right angles and cutting to get the light performance we want?
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-cut
Well one method is to start with a GIA Ex, and then apply the HCA to it. YOU DO NOT USE HCA for AGS0 stones.
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/holloway-cut-advisor
The HCA is a rejection tool. Not a selection tool. It uses 4 data points to make a rudimentary call on how the diamond may perform. It's only goal is to weed out stones that have angles that do not normally result in ideal light performance.
If the diamond passes then you know that you are in the right zone in terms of angles for light performance. Under 2 is a pass. Under 2.5-2.1 is a maybe. 2.6 and over is a no. No score 2 and under is better than any other.
Is that enough? Not really.
So what you need is a way to check actual light performance of your actual stone.
That's what an idealscope image does. https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/firescope-idealscope
It shows you how and wear your diamond is reflecting light, how well it is going at it, and where you are losing light return. That is why you won't see us recommending Blue Nile, as they do not provide idealscope images for their diamonds. James Allen, BGD, GOG, ERD, HPD and WF do.

The Idealscope is the 'selection tool'. Not the HCA. The HCA is just used narrow and predict which stones will have a good idealscope image.
So yes, with a GIA stone you need the idealscope images. Or you can buy an idealscope yourself and take it in to the jeweler you are working with to check the stones yourself. Or if you have a good return policy (full refund minimum 7 days) then you can buy the idealscope, buy the stone, and do it at home.


Now if you want to skip all that... stick to AGS0 stones and then all you have to do is pick color and clarity and you know you have a great performing diamond. Because AGS has already done the checking for you. That's why they trade at a premium.

i didn't have the right words thank you gypsy. I had the ideas in my head though and my heart was in the right place

 

[SB621]

Just wondering how much this one should cost. I know a lot of people here like to get a much lower quality and color to get a higher carat, but that's not my thing, plus her finger is small and she doesn't like being flashy so I was just looking for around a 1 carat. I also know that it scores poorly on HCA, but I'm fine with that.

This is also at a store, not online, so the price I was given may not be as competitive compared to online prices.

http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?pagename=GST%2FDispatcher&childpagename=GIA%2FPage%2FReportCheck&c=Page&cid=1355954554547&reportno=1169604738

Hehe this gave me a tickle. I think you really shot yourself in the foot when you suggested PS'ers recommend going lower down in quality and then post that diamond. I'm sure it does look pretty in the jewelry store and would probably look fine in real life as well. But a true PS'er would find you a better diamond and I'm guessing at a better price as well. I noticed you haven't posted price yet and I'm willing to bet my low quality diamonds that is it well overpriced.

 

[CharmyPoo]

If you only care about the price range for your diamond, check here http://www.pricescope.com/diamond-search-results...... From what I can see, the prices range from $7000 to $9000 with the bulk in the mid to high 8000s.

You are judging quality by color and clarity. When people ask about your diamond - they are usually asking how big is it? And then perhaps what color is it? PS largely judges quality by CUT quality. As you can hear from the responses here, GIA XXX is often not good enough. GIA XXX covers a much wider range than AGS 000. The range that PS considers ideal is very small for MRB.


How can these people tell if you have a good diamond or not? It's just math and science ... light always reflects a certain way. You can tell by numbers and inclusions. This is for MRBs anyways - they are simple to buy online. Remember the above doesn't apply to anything else other than MRB.

For me, I value cut, color, clarity over size. For many people, SI is considered good value but for me VS1 is where I stop. For others, G is considered a good balance as to where it still looks white to your eye. I tend to agree - my E diamond can be far too white that it looks fake. I like my G diamond color better these days.

The way I see it .. if your seller is charging you the same for E, VVS1, GIA 3X - why not go for one that falls into the range and have great idealscope and H&A scope pics? I mean why would he charge you differently if on paper it is the same?

 

[quaddio]

This stone looks like its pretty comparable to yours and its $8,399.

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-ideal-cut-e-color-vvs1-clarity_LD04193683?click_id=211633241

The stone Heidi suggested is a beauty and less expensive. So why not get a better performing stone that will look like the same color and clarity to the naked eye as the one you picked out????

That's the problem here...I don't know how you guys know it's a better performing stone when you haven't seen that stone or the stone I looked at.

OP, let me rephrase. The probability of the AGS000 being a better performing stone than yours is much higher than the alternative. I'm saying this based on the HCA score of the AGS stone being under the rejection criteria and your stone being over the rejection criteria, and bc many on PS feel that AGS000 is a more exclusive club than GIA triple excellent.

Jimmi is giving you good advice. Also you can ask your local jeweler if they can give you an Idealscope image.

So everyone is just using HCA? I could have used HCA myself and already knew that the score wasn't great. How am I suppose to trust you guys when I don't know what your experience in diamond is except for the fact that you use HCA? A five year old can enter the 4-5 numbers needed into HCA and get results and act like a diamond expert.

I'm also not so sure I trust HCA. I entered the information into HCA and got a 3.6. Then I changed the information from the crown and pavillion angles to the crown and pavillion %'s and got a 2.7. How am I suppose to trust this thing when it's giving me such a wide range of results with the same stone?

I don't care for your attitude. You can take or leave the opinions on pricescope and knew what to expect - there are tons of threads like yours. Not sure you trust HCA - fine, your insults won't hurt the tools' feelings.

Based on your posts you seem to have limited experience purchasing diamonds. On the other hand, there's a wealth of experience among the Pricescope community and those who generously replied were trying to help you. Even if you're skeptical or disagree it's no reason to be ungracious. I hope you endeavour to deserve your future wife.

 

[quaddio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJh5SH5fg3I

 

[MarionC]

I speak from experience here on PS - - - it's disappointing when someone tells you the diamond you want may not be the best.
This is a good place where truth & trust rule. No prosumer here has anything to gain by what they tell you. It all comes from a love of diamonds and a desire to help others.

 

[MarionC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJh5SH5fg3I

wow! I'm so glad you posted this - I found it this morning and thought of posting it, then dropped the ball.
Great minds think alike

 

[quaddio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJh5SH5fg3I

wow! I'm so glad you posted this - I found it this morning and thought of posting it, then dropped the ball.
Great minds think alike

Thanks Jimmianne, it's great to have these video resources available to educate ourselves as consumers. Here's another video that I found useful when helping my stepmother make her decision - she ended up choosing a GOG D VVS super ideal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb0oudyrQPo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPY_RTZeI4w

 

[MarionC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJh5SH5fg3I

wow! I'm so glad you posted this - I found it this morning and thought of posting it, then dropped the ball.
Great minds think alike

Thanks Jimmianne, it's great to have these video resources available to educate ourselves as consumers. Here's another video that I found useful when helping my stepmother make her decision - she ended up choosing a GOG D VVS super ideal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb0oudyrQPo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPY_RTZeI4w

Love that 2nd video. Never heard of a Brilliant Lady before!