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creepin

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A long time lurker of the forums probably a few month then joining about a month ago to get some much needed advise. I spend an hour a day searching online inventories and browsing the show me the bling to see everyone's amazing diamonds and their experiences.

I have a little time, but I want the perfect diamond. I'm dead seat on a Brian Gavin Signature diamond over 1ct color F, even though I've see G recommended, VS2 (I originally was going with SI1, but after inquiring about a diamond being eye-clean with BGD in SI1 it's almost as if they would not say it was not eye-clean from the sides. Which is okay as I think they might recognize some disappointment if there are small visible inclusions. So I decided to pay the premium for VS2, unless they would go out on limb to say SI1 was super clean. The reason I chose BGD is the setting, 6 prong tiffany (solitaire of fishtail Pave) is my favorite I've been able to find.

Anyways, how do you remain patient waiting for them to upload their inventory? I don't know how often they do and I asked if they get any in within the above requirements to let me know, but I continue to check daily. It's nothing against BGD as I know it is impossible to stock every combination, but one within the requirements will pop up... but just how long until so.

Thank you again for such a great resource during this diamond buying experience. I hope to continue learning and pay back my dues in the future.

Enjoy the evening.

Edit: I couldn't spell "how"
 
Re: Ho do you remain patient?

Haha! I don't ever remain patient when it comes to diamonds or settings! I don't sleep, and I am preoccupied all the time, and it's no way to live, I tell you! But so exciting! :)
 
Haha! Yep, it's hard. Fortunately, being super busy at work takes the mind off of it for a bit, but by evening it is hitting refresh 100 times to reload the inventory.
 
Andelain|1393960188|3627345 said:
Here you go, and a Blue at that! :love:

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.021-f-vs2-round-diamond-ags-104050981014
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I love that blue line stone! I'd jump on that.

But a G is going to be indistinguishable from a G when set. I promise you.

So I strongly suggest you consider this puppy as well.

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.012-g-vs2-round-diamond-ags-104061658007

There will be no yellow. G is SUPER conservative.

And that stone is gorgeous.
 
Uh I don't. I am not patient.
 
Hi Showbiz,

Thank you for the reply. I have considered WF and have looked at their inventory, which seems to be a little light right now too. I could be wrong. However, I wanted to move more towards the half round/Fishtail pave as opposed to the knife edge. I think this is something my GF would enjoy more.

I keep searching WF as it seems hard to always find the perfect diamond, but I'm trying to be patient as I have a few weeks.

Thanks again!
 
Hi Andelain,

You found one I was considering if I needed to purchase today. I am very hesitant with the florescence. Much like "mind-clean" concept I think there is something with the florescence. I have been reading about it today/yesterday. I like it, but in the direct sunlight I don't like that it can be blue hue. That is one of my biggest concerns.

Also, over the next 60 years does the florescence impact the diamond qualities at all? ie. leads to the haziness? I've read there is no impact when you buy it originally, but in 10 20 30 years I wonder what the impact is, if any.

Thank you again! It is greatly appreciated!
 
No the fluorescence of a diamond will not affect it differently in 50 or a 100 years. It's either a problem from the get go, or it is not. And all Blue LIne stones are "not".

Also, AGAIN, you should consider the G I posted for you.
 
Thank you!

I actually talked to Denise at BGD about this diamond. I think BGD's stance is that G is a safe bet. I know my GF has fantastic vision and will spot color. So I am a little hesitant to take the leap to G.

Like so many, I am trying to make sure it is the perfect diamond. When I visited the jewelry stores and was shown some diamonds it was high pressure, not comfortable and for a lack of a better word "shady" So I am not sure what I was actually shown/not shown. Which is unfortunate. I am fortunate to have found Pricescope, though. The knowledge is overwhelming and their is so much. I have spent a lot, probably a little unhealthy, but has been very enjoyable reading about different characteristics, g/f colors and florescence.

I thought finding a setting would be much, much harder. I narrowed that down fast. It is now just the pave or half round. I know from conversations and trips to jewelry stores, the Pave is the preferred setting style as the bling. I like the solitaire too, but the Pave always catchers her eye so I am trying to get this perfect!

Thank you again for all of your help!
 
The average human could probably not discern between a top cut F and a top cut G and you can have diamonds that are at the lower end of the grading and at the higher end so a high F a mid to standard F and a low F, a high G a mid G and a low G anyway.
 
There is NO color to be seen in a G. I promise you that.

There is no leap. Especially not in a 6 prong setting. She will be thrilled with it.

I love the look of pave too. And it sounds like your lady does as well. So I'd go for that. :wavey:
 
Hi,

Thank you. I did not even consider him and those diamonds are almost right within what I was hoping. The one being 1.14 is a little over the budget if I went with platinum pave which is $2,400, but I could stretch that a bit and would come under budget if I went with the solitaire.
 
I'm scared of the G. I have read many are very, very happy with G then others who say their happy, but can see that slight tint to it.

To be honest, the reason I crossed that diamond off, which might be ignorant, is due to the 1.5 HCA and Scintillation only receiving very good. It is the only diamond I have considered within my requirements or looked at to receive this. Everything else was excellent, except spread.

I know this is more of weeding out tool though, just my ignorance of not settling.

I'm starting to grow comfortable with the G and maybe even some florescence. Which I never thought I would. I just worry about ever so slight tint then the blue hue.
 
creepin|1393975229|3627544 said:
Hi,

Thank you. I did not even consider him and those diamonds are almost right within what I was hoping. The one being 1.14 is a little over the budget if I went with platinum pave which is $2,400, but I could stretch that a bit and would come under budget if I went with the solitaire.
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His stones are beautiful as well. You should email him and ask if he has any new diamonds that are 1 carat Fs arriving in the next few weeks I know he just had a heap of new stones cut. And also ask him about the style of setting you like. He gives a bit of a discount if you buy the setting and the diamond from him. He might be able to work out something in your budget or if not you could always purchase the diamond from him and send it elsewhere to be set.
 
creepin|1393974239|3627531 said:
Hi Andelain,

You found one I was considering if I needed to purchase today. I am very hesitant with the florescence. Much like "mind-clean" concept I think there is something with the florescence. I have been reading about it today/yesterday. I like it, but in the direct sunlight I don't like that it can be blue hue. That is one of my biggest concerns.

Also, over the next 60 years does the florescence impact the diamond qualities at all? ie. leads to the haziness? I've read there is no impact when you buy it originally, but in 10 20 30 years I wonder what the impact is, if any.

Thank you again! It is greatly appreciated!
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I'd go with Andelain's suggestion here.

The Blue line from BGD is awesome. I own one of these stones, myself, and can tell you that I have not second-guessed my purchase at all.

Fluorescence is something I seek out in all stones I purchase, so it is definitely not a detractor!

That said, if you go with Gypsy's suggestion, you will be just fine. That is a beautiful stone and the recipient will be pleased!
 
Would a vendor confirm that the G is high, mid or low? I feel bad asking questions to them, but then again this will be a large purchase, ~12 - 12.5k. So I want it to be worth while and be completely happy with it. I just hate being annoying to ask a lot of silly questions due to my ignorance, but growing knowledge, of diamonds to vendors.

I would agree, I am going with a 6 prong setting, if I was considering a diamond in the high G to a low F - why pay the premium I think I would get the high G, but how am I too know? This what scares me a lot.

I was going with an SI1, but was talked out of it due to the possibility of seeing inclusions from the side. So my other worry would be a G from the sides would there be the ever so slight tint?

Thank you again! I don't think I could make this purchase without this forum.
 
creepin|1393975504|3627549 said:
I'm scared of the G. I have read many are very, very happy with G then others who say their happy, but can see that slight tint to it.

To be honest, the reason I crossed that diamond off, which might be ignorant, is due to the 1.5 HCA and Scintillation only receiving very good. It is the only diamond I have considered within my requirements or looked at to receive this. Everything else was excellent, except spread.

I know this is more of weeding out tool though, just my ignorance of not settling.

I'm starting to grow comfortable with the G and maybe even some florescence. Which I never thought I would. I just worry about ever so slight tint then the blue hue.
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I would make the assumption the only people that can see tints in a G coloured diamond have a mis-graded diamond, a diamond that comes from EGL or somewhere other than GIA or they are imagining it and and F would look much the same.

Buying a G from a reputable vendor should be fine and if in doubt ask them is it a good solid G or does it face more like an F or a H. You can ask them how the diamond faces colourwise, it is your money you are spending ask them as many questions as you need to make you feel comfortable with your purchase.

Fluorescence is a whole different kettle of fish, I think you either really like it and think it is beautiful or you don't having said that Brian Gavin does not sell smucky looking stones with it, other places do but they handpick their stones to not be adversely impacted by it. If the idea of it bugs you then buy a stone without it.

And it is kind of a myth that you can always see inclusions in SI stones from the side, it depends on what type of inclusions they are and where they are in the stone.
 
That's what I thought with the SI1 stones. I would be very happy if it was Si1, but completely eye-clean, but I don't think a vendor wanted to take the leap to tell me that incase, albeit probably small chance, I would see any inclusions. Nothing wrong with that as having a reputation and customer satisfaction is very important to the vendors so I understand not taking that chance at all.
 
I might inquire of him. I guess it will be very hard to stay at one vendor. I will have to do more due diligence on him though as I have done a good bit on BGD.

It's good to hear he had a bunch new diamonds cut. I wonder if vendors could actually order a specific/close diamond to what someone is looking for. I don't expect this by any means. As I'm only looking at spending a very minimal amount compared to a special request, I'm sure.
 
creepin|1393976747|3627573 said:
I might inquire of him. I guess it will be very hard to stay at one vendor. I will have to do more due diligence on him though as I have done a good bit on BGD.

It's good to hear he had a bunch new diamonds cut. I wonder if vendors could actually order a specific/close diamond to what someone is looking for. I don't expect this by any means. As I'm only looking at spending a very minimal amount compared to a special request, I'm sure.
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Places like Good Old Gold could probably find you a diamond. Victor and Brian Gavin cut their own stones, so it is a matter of emailing them and asking what else they have coming up in the next few weeks rather than what they can find for you.

I have dealt with both Brian Gavin (about 5 times) and Victor (several times) so you will not go wrong with either, Victor is a lovely guy. Good Old Gold is also wonderful to work with as well.
 
I think you should consider G color and SI1 clarity. I used to own a GIA graded ideal H&A G, and it was about 1.25ct, looked amazingly colorless face-up and barely tinted from the side. Just for giggles I mixed it with two 7mm colorless H&A RB cubic zirconia stones that were cut like H&A diamonds. And I could not tell the diamond and the czs apart by color, except when I looked at them from the side in natural daylight. That G was that close to colorless. There are some early Pricescope discussions from 2004 or so where some of the trade people said that a G color was kind of the sweet spot for value yet looks colorless, and that many jeweler's wives were wearing G diamonds.
SI from the side, how eyeclean is it: Diamonds are graded face-up, so it's entirely possible that it can be eyeclean from the top and from the side. White or clear inclusions hide better than dark crystals. Don't give up totally on SI1 eyeclean, if you have some time to look / wait and are not up against a deadline.
 
So far, BGD has been very good. They did mention how busy they are so I am not trying to overwhelm them. I did inquire about if they were expecting any new diamonds in the next few weeks, but no response.

I'm not sure how often they get new ones. Every two weeks two months etc.

I was looking into Victor during the past 1/2 hour. I see his settings are hand forged so I'd assume the Gabriella 6 prong solitaire would probably far exceed $1,250 in platinum and well over the $2,400 with a Pave, unfortunately. That is me not inquiring though too.
 
creepin|1393976391|3627567 said:
That's what I thought with the SI1 stones. I would be very happy if it was Si1, but completely eye-clean, but I don't think a vendor wanted to take the leap to tell me that incase, albeit probably small chance, I would see any inclusions...
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But you have to consider that their eyes are not your eyes, so nobody is going to say you will absolutely not see anything. However, diamond inclusions vary, each diamond is unique, and it might be possible to find an SI1 that meets your standards. It might be that the particular diamonds that are in stock at the present time simply don't meet your criteria. It doesn't mean that no SI1 stone ever will.
 
TC1987|1393977631|3627583 said:
I think you should consider G color and SI1 clarity. I used to own a GIA graded ideal H&A G, and it was about 1.25ct, looked amazingly colorless face-up and barely tinted from the side. Just for giggles I mixed it with two 7mm colorless H&A RB cubic zirconia stones that were cut like H&A diamonds. And I could not tell the diamond and the czs apart by color, except when I looked at them from the side in natural daylight. That G was that close to colorless. There are some early Pricescope discussions from 2004 or so where some of the trade people said that a G color was kind of the sweet spot for value yet looks colorless, and that many jeweler's wives were wearing G diamonds.
SI from the side, how eyeclean is it: Diamonds are graded face-up, so it's entirely possible that it can be eyeclean from the top and from the side. White or clear inclusions hide better than dark crystals. Don't give up totally on SI1 eyeclean, if you have some time to look / wait and are not up against a deadline.
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I wasn't sure how to highlight, so I hope it turns out bold.


I'd hate to give up on the SI1, I've inquired about all the F SI1's at BGD and I could not get a definitive eye-clean from top at 5" and sides. Which was okay with me. I was glad they told me this. It is greatly appreciated and honesty to me.

I was starting to lean to the G, but the side tint a little scary. I think this gets back to maybe high low mid G vs low F.
 
creepin|1393977682|3627585 said:
So far, BGD has been very good. They did mention how busy they are so I am not trying to overwhelm them. I did inquire about if they were expecting any new diamonds in the next few weeks, but no response.

I'm not sure how often they get new ones. Every two weeks two months etc.

I was looking into Victor during the past 1/2 hour. I see his settings are hand forged so I'd assume the Gabriella 6 prong solitaire would probably far exceed $1,250 in platinum and well over the $2,400 with a Pave, unfortunately. That is me not inquiring though too.
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Email Brian Gavin again if they ignore you they are either busy or they are not getting any more stones in any time soon, you could always ring them and ask.

Email Victor, it won't hurt to give the guy your overall budget and tell him what you are looking for and he will make suggestions and ask if any of his newly cut diamonds that are coming in might suit as well.
 
Okay so. It doesn't matter if it is a low G or a high G. But if you want to REALLY be sure, CALL THEM and ask to speak to Brian Gavin himself. Insist on him giving you a call back at a set time. And talk to him.


On color
Most important to remember is that color is graded FACE DOWN. Where there is NO light return. Not face up where there is light return and refraction. You wear diamonds set. FACE UP. And with AGS0 diamonds you are talking about a LOT of light return that masks any hint of color.

Within one color grade, even the labs can't agree on the color grades of stones and something could be a "high" H or a "low" E. Within 2 color grades it is hard to tell the difference between two rounds of the same cut quality. Not impossible. And it gets much harder once set. Because the only way you can really tell is by looking at the diamond from the side. And your diamond is going to be covered up by 6 prongs that will keep anyone from seeing much of anything from the side of the diamond.

Generally we say to be conservative stay H and above.

This is how I think of it.

Ever gotten one of those HUGE paint fan decks? Where there are literally 100s of colors of whites? And when they are RIGHT next to each other you can TOTALLY tell that one is bluer/colder and one is a bit warmer and which one is one is TOTALLY warmer. One there's one that's slightly greener. One that's slightly pinker? But really. They are all white?

Then you pick one after agonizing over this white or that white and when it's on the walls and people are like: Oh. You painted again. And it's STILL white. Great.

And you're all... BUT it's BLUE white. Or it's a WARM white now. It used to be ____ white. It's TOTALLY different.

It's like that. You are talking about shades of white. D is colder... J is warmer. But it's all white. And G is VERY VERY VERY WHITE. And it will not be right next to a D, so she won't have anything to compare it to. BGD uses F/G melee and so it will match all the diamonds in the rest of the ring too.

There's no risk with an accurately graded G. But talk to Brian and see what he says about your actual stone.
 
Thank you!

That is great to know that I can insist on Brian looking at the diamond. That would ease my mind, give me comfort and I think be really neat to get his input! I did not think he would have time or want to look at a diamond that I would pick as I'm really no one special, just a consumer really looking for "wow that's one of the best diamonds I've seen" I know for a fact my family and hers and probably friends do not have super idea diamonds. Not saying any are anything less as many of them are gorgeous, I'd just like one to have a lot of light return that you get that wow. Not necessarily the largest.

I do like the analogy with the paint fan. That is a great way of looking at it and probably put it into reality. BGD did mention with super ideal diamonds G will face up very white. Personally, my concern was the sides, but this seems to not be a large issues at all.
 
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