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ErickandCrystal

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Hello all,

I thought, after almost a year, that I knew everything I needed to know about purchasing an engagement ring; wow...was I wrong!

Originally, I liked the Zales signature ring. I loved the fact that it had extra facets and shined from every angle. I was willing to sacrifice some quality, to get the sparkle. When the Zales ring went on sale, as it was discontinued, I thought it was really worth it. Well, we missed that train and the search continued. I looked everywhere to try and match it and no one had anything like it, unless I wanted to pay an arm and a leg.

I finally gave up on that ring and started looking for colorless diamonds with ideal cuts but I was not giving up the trellis (x prong, truffle) setting. I had no luck finding that in our price range, for a 1 carat, either.

Fast forward to finding pricescope...I learned about Blue Nile, through this site. I went to their website and found that I could afford what I wanted. I ordered a three stone, 1 carat, in a platinum, trellis setting. I went down to a VVS2, to save some money. I''m wishing that I hadn''t done that because when I received the ring, it didn''t have that sparkle that I like.

I called Blue Nile and the CSR assured me that a VVS2 would not affect the brilliance of the diamond. I was under the impression that inclusions blocked light? Also, she told me that all of their ideal cut diamonds, had H&A cuts (even if it wasn''t on the GIA report). Honestly, I was trying to stay away from H&A cuts because I have heard, from pricescope, that Blue Niles are not the best.

I have attached some pictures of the current ring and I would love to hear any opinions on why it doesn''t sparkle or if they are actually good diamonds and I am being picky? I have found some diamonds that are the same quality but IF, rather than VVS2; will this make a difference? I am trying to decide if I should stick with this ring and get it sized, keep the setting and get the IF diamonds or return it and have Good Old Gold make me another ring.

The diamonds were rated somewhere around 4 on the HCA; I don''t know if this is a commonly used advisor, that I should be listening to/care about, or not.

I have read a lot of wonderful things about Good Old Gold and have been seriously considering trying to get a three stone made with them, with either the eighternity, solasfera or star 129. I like the fact that GOG will take pictures for you, beforehand. My question is...would I be able to afford this kind of ring, in my $5,000.00 price range??

Any input would be appreciated, as I need to decide on a return. The pictures should follow...bear with me...it was incredibly difficult to take pictures of the diamonds...

The following links are for the information on each diamond (in case anyone was wondering).

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-ideal-cut-f-color-vvs2-clarity_LD01467957 (CENTER STONE)

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-ideal-cut-f-color-vvs2-clarity_LD01404882 (SIDE STONE)

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-ideal-cut-f-color-vvs2-clarity_LD01443545 (SIDE STONE)

~*~Crystal~*~

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So sorry about the size...

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Last one...

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The pictures are kind of useless.

But cut could be a major reason why they disappoint you. The center stone got an HCA of 4.9, which is pretty poor.

Inclusions don't affect the sparkle of diamonds until at least the SI2 level, and even that is rare. Generally, even I1s won't have reduced sparkle due to inclusions. An IF will not make a sparklier stone than a VVS stone. Actually, you should drop the clarity to get a bigger stone, as the sparkles will be bigger, and you can see more of them.
 
I guess I just don''t understand how I went wrong with an Ideal cut diamond?
 
Date: 1/25/2009 4:45:48 AM
Author: ErickandCrystal
I guess I just don't understand how I went wrong with an Ideal cut diamond?

They aren't ideal cuts. Blue Nile just calls them ideal because the table and depth fall into a certain range, but they aren't.
 
Okay so... PS ate my post and it''s late.

Here''s the long and short of it:

If you think that CLARITY, as in the difference between a VVS and an IF stone is the reason your diamonds are dead, you don''t know anything about diamonds. Someone will be along in a minute who has more patience and will actually disect you purchase for you but in the meantime....

Here''s some links to get you started. Please read them in detail. Especially the parts that tell you and explain why CUT not CLARITY is the reason diamonds sparkle, or don''t.

http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=education-c-s (tabs on right to Performance, Clarity, and Cut should be investigated thoroughly)

http://www.goodoldgold.com/4Cs/

http://diamonds.pricescope.com/tolk.asp (Basic tutorial is a good thing too).
 
Date: 1/25/2009 4:47:48 AM
Author: JulieN


Date: 1/25/2009 4:45:48 AM
Author: ErickandCrystal
I guess I just don't understand how I went wrong with an Ideal cut diamond?

They aren't ideal cuts. Blue Nile just calls them ideal because the table and depth fall into a certain range, but they aren't.
Ditto. Read the first page of the highperfomancediamonds link.
 
Date: 1/25/2009 4:47:48 AM
Author: JulieN



Date: 1/25/2009 4:45:48 AM
Author: ErickandCrystal
I guess I just don't understand how I went wrong with an Ideal cut diamond?

They aren't ideal cuts. Blue Nile just calls them ideal because the table and depth fall into a certain range, but they aren't.
Thritto. I think it is the effects of the steep deep angles you are noticing with the centre diamond, so if possible I would return it and start over. The second diamond is S/D also, the third sidestone actually has decent proportions.
 
Julie ~ It is so unnerving to learn that BN just throws around the word, "Ideal," for sales...Now I am getting a bit upset, about my purchase.

Gypsy ~ Thank you for the links. I have read that cut is the most important factor in brilliance but I also believed that I had purchased Ideal cut diamonds.

I did find some stones at BN that rated around 1.9, on the HCA. Do you think this would be a safe bet or should I just return the ring and use GOG?
 
Date: 1/25/2009 5:05:05 AM
Author: ErickandCrystal
Julie ~ It is so unnerving to learn that BN just throws around the word, ''Ideal,'' for sales...Now I am getting a bit upset, about my purchase.

Gypsy ~ Thank you for the links. I have read that cut is the most important factor in brilliance but I also believed that I had purchased Ideal cut diamonds.

I did find some stones at BN that rated around 1.9, on the HCA. Do you think this would be a safe bet or should I just return the ring and use GOG?
Unfortunately as we often say here, you can''t rely on vendor applied labels such as Ideal Cut, the only meaningful use of the term Ideal Cut pertains to AGS labs AGS0 cut grade, otherwise it is no guarantee of a well cut diamond. The diamonds you found scoring below 2 on the HCA sound better, if you like post the proportions and we can take a look for you.
 
Date: 1/25/2009 5:05:05 AM
Author: ErickandCrystal
Julie ~ It is so unnerving to learn that BN just throws around the word, 'Ideal,' for sales...Now I am getting a bit upset, about my purchase.

Gypsy ~ Thank you for the links. I have read that cut is the most important factor in brilliance but I also believed that I had purchased Ideal cut diamonds.

I did find some stones at BN that rated around 1.9, on the HCA. Do you think this would be a safe bet or should I just return the ring and use GOG?
Go back and read the links again. In detail.

The 1.9's might be better. As for using GOG, or an Infinity Dealer, or any dealer... that's up to you. If you know what you are doing you can, techinically, shop anywhere.

But if you read the links... I think that you'll find that for the same $$ you can safely drop down in clarity, go up in stone size, and get a sparklier diamond.

Also, keep your diamonds very clean, that helps too. Read the tutorials. In detail.

Personallly if I wanted precision cutting... I'd get an diamond like Ellen's from GOG (ISEE ???), or go with an Infinity Diamond. Probably go with an infinity. I just think they rock.

Lorelei will help you... she's a good egg. I'm more like a rotten apple tonight. So I'll say goodnight.
 
Date: 1/25/2009 5:10:49 AM
Author: Gypsy

Date: 1/25/2009 5:05:05 AM
Author: ErickandCrystal
Julie ~ It is so unnerving to learn that BN just throws around the word, ''Ideal,'' for sales...Now I am getting a bit upset, about my purchase.

Gypsy ~ Thank you for the links. I have read that cut is the most important factor in brilliance but I also believed that I had purchased Ideal cut diamonds.

I did find some stones at BN that rated around 1.9, on the HCA. Do you think this would be a safe bet or should I just return the ring and use GOG?
Go back and read the links again. In detail.

The 1.9''s might be better. As for using GOG, or an Infinity Dealer, or any dealer... that''s up to you. If you know what you are doing you can, techinically, shop anywhere.

But if you read the links... I think that you''ll find that for the same $$ you can safely drop down in clarity, go up in stone size, and get a sparklier diamond.

Also, keep your diamonds very clean, that helps too. Read the tutorials. In detail.

Personallly if I wanted precision cutting... I''d get an diamond like Ellen''s from GOG (ISEE ???), or go with an Infinity Diamond. Probably go with an infinity. I just think they rock.

Lorelei will help you... she''s a good egg. I''m more like a rotten apple tonight. So I''ll say goodnight.
Sweet Gypsy, I wondered why you were up at this hour, are you feeling ok?? Hugs (((())))))
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Ditto to everything from Gypsy, even is she is being a *lil* bit of a grump
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(just j''king Gyp I loves ya)
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Please read the tutorials - they really will help you, and imho should be compulsory reading for anyone looking for a diamond purchase.
If you''re not the edga-macation type, than go with a branded cut such as Winks'' Infinity, Whiteflash ACA, or a signature H&A from GOG, who also carry Isee2 brand as mentioned earlier. I own an Isee2, and couldn''t be happier.
These brands are all true ideal cuts, made to exacting standards - it does make a huge difference, than just using an in-house claim of "ideal".
Even if you do do your research, these are still your best bets for a no-brainer awesome diamond..

No need for you to waste you money on IF, or even VVS - it will not affect the sparkle factor what-so-ever. Again, the links from Gypsy will advise why - but basically, "Cut is King" is a phrase you will hear alot of round here.
The colour and clarity are then largely up to personal preference, and of course, budget.

As to whether you should return and start again - I say yes, simply because you don''t sound happy about the ring. When you see "your" diamond, you not only will be happy but totally over the moon.
I certainly don''t get that impression from your post.

GOG are great to work with, as are WF. I''ve personally had dealings with both.
I would also recommend Infinity in a heartbeat.
BN..mmm..not so much. More hit than miss, from what I have seen personally. But of course this is all just imho.

Good luck, and please ask for more help if need be!
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Lorelei & Arjunajane ~ Thank you both for your help. I think I will take your advice and start over.

I will email GOG. Do you know if it is possible to have a ring made fast, with GOG? I have wasted a lot of time with BN and we are leaving for Cancun, on February 6th; I''d like to have the ring before then...

Thanks again, I''m feeling better about returning the ring and going with GOG. I just hope my BF doesn''t kill me. lol.
 
Date: 1/25/2009 2:56:46 PM
Author: ErickandCrystal
Lorelei & Arjunajane ~ Thank you both for your help. I think I will take your advice and start over.

I will email GOG. Do you know if it is possible to have a ring made fast, with GOG? I have wasted a lot of time with BN and we are leaving for Cancun, on February 6th; I''d like to have the ring before then...

Thanks again, I''m feeling better about returning the ring and going with GOG. I just hope my BF doesn''t kill me. lol.
I know that is the right decision, and AJ, Gypsy and I are very glad to help. If you contact GOG ASAP and ask for Jon, he will do his best to accomodate you and let you know if he can get it done for you in time. He is a great guy and will do his best to help you!
 
I didn't read all the posts as I had difficultly scrolling left and right for the text (on a smaller laptop). If you don't want to learn about all the technical aspects of a diamond (completely understandable - most people do not want to), you can post your requirements and budget on here. I am sure the wonderful experts will be able to help you pick out a diamond that suits your needs.

If you want to stay with Blue Nile (I noticed you plan to contact GOG), they have nice stones too but you just need to know how to pick them.
 
Date: 1/25/2009 5:21:11 AM
Author: Lorelei

Sweet Gypsy, I wondered why you were up at this hour, are you feeling ok?? Hugs (((())))))
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Not so much Lorelei, but I''ll be better soon. Thank you very much for the concern honey. ((((((HUGS)))))

Arjunajane... yes, definately a grump last night. Sorry all.
 
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