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Help! Tell me about this antique asscher - KarlK, DiamondSeeker, others? thank you!

diamondseeker2006 said:
Here are my two best pics and maybe you can compare to the one you have. (Pics by Caysie van Bebber)

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Yes, I love your setting, by the way. You and Caysie did an amazing job. On the face up size chart above, I calculated the surface area, and the 3.65 is 98% the same size as this one. I agree the visual impact may be different.
 
Oh, then maybe it is the 3.67 I have seen. You have to add in the fact that that one has around a $4k+ beautiful setting, too! So that stone isn't really $10k more. (Always offer lower than asking price. You never know if they'll come down a little!)

Thanks so much about my ring! I really do love how it turned out.

I need to look at the other diamonds to see how I feel about them versus this one.
 
I am pretty impressed with the clarity. I would have never thought SI2 would be acceptable in a step cut! In fact, mine is SI1 and I was skeptical about it until I saw it with my own eyes!
 
Argh, sorry - I mixed up the sizes - I meant 3.65, not 3.67, and didn't mean to suggest you hadn't seen it - I'm sure you've seen it, I was just trying to say they cover the same area from the top down, though agree they may look different because of the shape.

I agree the clarity is pretty impressive. On the other diamonds, they're not real contenders (except maybe an offer on the 3.65, or hope for a price decrease! ... any sense of how this one compare to that one?) - they were mostly just for a price/size comparison for this one.

Also, thank you for the pics of yours - I'm sure I'm missing something but am not sure how to compare them.
 
Does the (admittedly terrible) aset help regarding the performance at all? would a video help?

Also, any thoughts on the price (high, fair, low)?

thank you!!
 
I feel like I see a big bow tie. Maybe you don’t see it IRL?
 
LLJsmom said:
I feel like I see a big bow tie. Maybe you don’t see it IRL?
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Hello! Thank you for weighing in!

Yes, the photos show a big bow tie. I had asked about that above (whether it's the camera, or something about taking photos) but I think it was lost in my photo mess, because it's terrible in those pics, but in real life it seems pretty uncommon (though that said, the light here is terrible as it's snowy and overcast, so I'm not getting a full range of lighting conditions).
 
sunandsky said:
Hello! Thank you for weighing in!

Yes, the photos show a big bow tie. I had asked about that above (whether it's the camera, or something about taking photos) but I think it was lost in my photo mess, because it's terrible in those pics, but in real life it seems pretty uncommon (though that said, the light here is terrible as it's snowy and overcast, so I'm not getting a full range of lighting conditions).
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Also, I do see something in the aset that looks like it could be a bow tie, but I don't have much experience reading step cut asets so I'm not sure what I'm doing.
 
I just think the facets turn on and off. Since the stone moves, that might not be an issue. Let me work on the price question.
 
I was going to say 'have one cut', then read your saying:

sunandsky said:
I tend to only get really excited about things once I decide to get them
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so, now I am wondering whetehr waiting for some months for a beautiful surprise is not going to be a happy thing !

The diamond is very beautiful and looks modern to me.
 
sunandsky said:
a bow tie
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... I understand that this reffers to the assymetry of the ASET pattern, counting steps from the culet to the long and the short facets ... There is more black accross the long facets.

The stone is rectangular, so its pattern of optical reflections ins't square either, methinks.

Not something I'd find fault wih (IHMO, it 'works' beautifully in many ways).

2c
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
I just think the facets turn on and off. Since the stone moves, that might not be an issue. Let me work on the price question.
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Thank you very much for looking into the price question. Grace seems to have another buyer (hence the pressure to decide) so a lower offer is not in cards.
 
sunandsky said:
Thank you very much for looking into the price question. Grace seems to have another buyer (hence the pressure to decide) so a lower offer is not in cards.
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Not necessarily. Maybe the other person is making an offer less than asking price. Of course if you love it, it may be worth paying full price, but I rarely do that. However, I don't think the price is bad, either.
 
Thanks @diamondseeker2006 and @valeria101

I did get in touch with Yoram to have one cut, but it didn't seem like he was likely to have rough available. He also warned the range would likely be K, closer to L, and vs-si. I don't mind waiting.

On the shape, I don't necessarily need an antique stone - I'd be fine with a modern cut, I just like broad facets, high crowns, small tables and fire, so the antique or antique-style stones are usually closer to what I'm looking for. I do like what it looks like. I don't always love culets, so I'm ok without one, unless you're also saying the facets don't meet nicely in general?

If the bow-tie only appears in certain lighting, it seems like that's ok?

@diamondseeker2006, do you think this is a fair price? it's 38k using a wire transfer.
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
Not necessarily. Maybe the other person is making an offer less than asking price. Of course if you love it, it may be worth paying full price, but I rarely do that. However, I don't think the price is bad, either.
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Ok, thank you. Is there something you'd suggest offering?
 
valeria101 said:
... I understand that this reffers to the assymetry of the ASET pattern, counting steps from the culet to the long and the short facets ... There is more black accross the long facets.

The stone is rectangular, so its pattern of optical reflections ins't square either, methinks.

Not something I'd find fault wih (IHMO, it 'works' beautifully in many ways).

2c
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I think the bow tie is that pattern of dark across the "waist" of the diamond from head obstruction? I was thinking the camera may be making that worse here. Am I right in thinking you like the look of the stone?
 
ctd.

Since I called this one 'modern', I went to look for an old specimen, starting at 1st Dibs - where there seem to be three old style examples (aside some Deco non-corner cut ones... which I imagine are irrelevant ... ), above 2 cts (haven't looked below), of which only one (this WWW) less than 100K (if you like clicking, here are the other two: WWW an WWW)

I am not seriously expecting to find a suitable one fast !
 
No one is a bigger fan of Yoram than me. I would adore having one of his asschers especially if I didn't already have one! But custom cutting is rather risky. SI in step cut may or may not be acceptable. I would not take the risk on custom cutting a large stone. Way too much risk. I am basing this on a custom cut 5 ct antique cushion that turned out to have SI2 clarity with a very visible inclusion. I'd only custom cut I was aiming for VS1 clarity because that is going to be eyeclean for sure!

I'd offer a couple thousand less, personally. But only if you think you love the stone.
 
Yes, i think youre totally right. I had forgotten about that avr .... I'm generally better with off the shelf than custom on other things.

diamondseeker2006 said:
No one is a bigger fan of Yoram than me. I would adore having one of his asschers especially if I didn't already have one! But custom cutting is rather risky. SI in step cut may or may not be acceptable. I would not take the risk on custom cutting a large stone. Way too much risk. I am basing this on a custom cut 5 ct antique cushion that turned out to have SI2 clarity with a very visible inclusion. I'd only custom cut I was aiming for VS1 clarity because that is going to be eyeclean for sure!

I'd offer a couple thousand less, personally. But only if you think you love the stone.
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I think that's the one at jbg but at a very inflated price! Any thoughts on the price of this one?

valeria101 said:
ctd.

Since I called this one 'modern', I went to look for an old specimen, starting at 1st Dibs - where there seem to be three old style examples (aside some Deco non-corner cut ones... which I imagine are irrelevant ... ), above 2 cts (haven't looked below), of which only one (this WWW) less than 100K (if you like clicking, here are the other two: WWW an WWW)

I am not seriously expecting to find a suitable one fast !
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diamondseeker2006 said:
I'd only custom cut I was aiming for VS1 clarity because that is going to be eyeclean for sure
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I do not understand rough planning (predictable inclusions, & others) ... so I'd ask (right to reject ?)... @ the cost on an email.
 
Yoram's asschers and elongated asschers are magnificent. But I don't think the cutter can take the hit if the stone turns out less than expected. I feel for both the cutter and the customer. Now that I think about it, I can think of another example of a 4+ ct custom cut stone that turned out not as hoped and the rough was purchased at a higher price due to the estimated specs.
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
Not an antique but closest I could find. SI2 definitely would lower the price, but your stone has greater weight.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/4.01-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-sku-3454704

I would always offer less.

I do agree with Valeria that the windmills do not meet in the center to a nice culet facet, so it doesn't scream antique asscher to me. I think you need to decide if you love it for what it looks like.
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It appears more like a square Emerald Cut....not an antique Asscher...to my eyes.
Still, a pretty stone. Just not “Asscher-esque”.
 
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