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Help! Tell me about this antique asscher - KarlK, DiamondSeeker, others? thank you!

sunandsky

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Hi! Long time lurker (since 2008!) here, and deeply thankful for all the amazing people and content on this forum. I've been looking for an antique emerald or asscher cut casually for a while, and have seriously considered three. I have one in my possession right now from Jewels by Grace and need to decide whether to keep it. Normally I'm pretty decisive if I can look at something for a few days, but I haven't had a chance to look at it (we just moved, hosted xmas and our pipes just burst and Grace needs an answer today) so am a little stressed! @diamondseeker2006, @valeria101, @Karl_K and any others, I'd be honored to have some expert help here!

What I'm looking for:
- doesn't need to be an actual antique stone, I just prefer broad facets, lots of fire, with a high crown and small table
- crisp facets
- I'm not fussy about clarity as long as it isn't distracting when you look it or interfere with light performance
- some personality - the appeal in diamonds to me is looking at them, which is why I like crisp facets and fire, and I only mount them in rings
- no bowtie
- in a perfect world, 4-4.5 carat, I/J color

I'm only in the US occasionally so don't have the ability to see a ton of stones easily, though am in NYC in a few weeks. I've tried Yoram for a custom cut but he said they're only doing custom cuts quite slowly, and he'll keep an eye out for rough, which would likely be 4-4.5, k/l and vs-si (could be a good option but doesn't seem like it will happen soon). Adam at OWD is looking but doesn't come across things like this often.

Info here:
http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/4-45ct-vintage-emerald-cut-diamond-gia-i-si2
https://www.gia.edu/sites/Satellite...ring=BD9399815A258E70B84BD4EAC14BBD6B&qr=null

What I like:
- the color is lovely
- in budget - I'm having a hard time getting over 40K
- my sweet spot for color/clarity (I/SI2)
- lots of nice fire around the table, and some in the table

What I'm wondering about:
- it faces up small with extra weight in the belly. Grace has a 3.23 and 3.67 that face up about the same size.
- the facets may be crisp, but the depth prevents you from focusing well
- I can't tell if the clouds are having an impact on sparkle. It's also the depths of artic winter and a snowstorm here, so I can't see it in good light.
- seems to have a bowtie in some lights
- prefer a higher crown

Pictures in the next post. I would really appreciate any help!
 
Ok, working on photos. Have never done this before! LOL. There are better ones coming, I think .... the pear is F 3.1 for a size/color reference. the little band is I-J I think.
 
View media item 122452View media item 122451Ok, last pics for now - tried to get a profile shot. Mad props to all the folks who take such lovely photos of their diamonds - I feel like a donkey trying to cross-stich!
 
I've noticed much more of a bowtie in these pictures than I do in real life - is there something about a camera that creates a bow tie? In real life, it's only been in certain lighting (maybe direct overhead? Wow. I am really finding emerald cuts hard.
 
Ok, last post until I'm not talking to myself anymore! Here's a comparison of other emerald/asscher cuts on Grace's site, showing

carat weight, face up size, how much larger is it by carat, how much larger it is by face up:

4.71 10.53 x 9.0 94.77 1.06 1.15
4.45 9.66 x 8.55 82.59 1.00 1.00
3.65 10.25 x 7.91 81.08 0.82 0.98
3.23 11.35 x 6.91 78.43 0.73 0.95
3.09 9.28 x 7.56 70.16 0.69 0.85
3.01 9.53 x 6.90 65.76 0.68 0.80
 
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Hi,
Your photos don't seem to be coming through..
In the JbyG photos it looks like the stone needs a cleaning but based on GIA plot, perhaps these are the cloud inclusions listed?
 
Hmmm - I created an album then attached them. Let me see what I'm doing wrong. You can see a bit of the clouds if you look closely.
 
HI, just now seeing this. Will read your posts and look at the stone now.

You have to attach each photo on a post. Use the upload a file button.
 
Ok, that was a test photo - did that work?
 
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I think you are really going to have to decide if it is big enough for you since it really isn't much bigger than some of those 3 ct stones. I am not hearing you say you are in love with the stone. When I saw my antique asscher, I knew I loved everything about it. I still think it's one of the best I have ever seen. My advice is to not buy one unless you have that feeling.
 
I think it is pretty in the pictures. But I have seen that 3.65 ct stone in person and I don't think this one appears as large because the 3.65 is more elongated and is taller. This stone is shaped more like mine, actually.
 
I think you are really going to have to decide if it is big enough for you since it really isn't much bigger than some of those 3 ct stones. I am not hearing you say you are in love with the stone. When I saw my antique asscher, I knew I loved everything about it. I still think it's one of the best I have ever seen. My advice is to not buy one unless you have that feeling.

Thanks very much for weighing in. I tend to only get really excited about things once I decide to get them (it's weird, my husband thinks it's weird too :) ) so I'm not disappointed if they don't work out; also, I really love diamonds in general and can find things to love about many of them.

On the size ... It faces up the same size as the 3.67 that someone else here is selling through Grace (it's in a gorgeous setting with tapered French cuts). They're the same color, but this is SI2 and that one is VVS2 and 10K more, so the price seems to account for the fact that it faces up small?

Do you have any other thoughts about the stone? Thank you again.
 
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