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PaulTNJ

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Looking for an engagement ring. Budget is 20,000 and have been looking for a few weeks. I've learned a lot along the way and would appreciate some advice on some of the potential stones I've seen. Both are GIA stones.

1:
1.99 ct.
8.25 x 4.79 mm
H VS2
Cut: Very Good
Polish and Symmetry: Good
No Fluorescence
58.1% depth, 65% table, 32° crown angle, 41.4° pavilion angle
HCA: 4.6
Light Return: Good
Fire: Fair
Scintillation: Fair
Spread: Excellent

Price: 17500

2:
2.00 ct.
8.01 x 4.99 mm
H SI1
X X X
No Fluorescence
62.1% depth, 57% table, 35.5° crown angle, 40.6° pavilion angle
Light Return Excellent
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Excellent
Spread Very Good

Price: 20000

I feel like the 1.99 H VS2 is a great deal but its discounted for the large table and not so great VG G G ratings. But $2500 is a lot of money. In the store, both of these stones shine pretty equally in my eyes and it was raining and cloudy outside so I couldn't really see them in sunlight. Is there anything about that stone that makes it that undesirable to make it discounted so much?

Setting would be a thin tiffany style platinum 6 prong with a low profile. Any feedback on these two stones would be greatly appreciated or I would love to see if there are better stones out there for similar prices. I would not mind purchasing online if there is something better out there.

Ideally, I want at least an H SI1 with a GIA cert. At least 1.95 ct. and as close to x x x as possible. Also, no inclusions that could be seen with the naked eye from above or the sides.

I only live 20 minutes from NYC. Is it a good idea to go into the diamond district and shop around there?

Thank you very much for your help.
 
#1 is a pancake stone... :knockout:
 
OMG. Where on earth are you shopping? That first stone is HORRENDOUS.

Oh. You're in Jersey. Yeah, that's where we were living when we got my ring. My DH had to go to four states and finally ended up in DE before finding a decent jeweler.

OK. That first stone is NOT a good deal. And you'd have to save me a HECK of a lot more than 2500 to make it worth buying.

And in store lighting is meant to fool the eye. And it equalizes bad stones. Don't judge by jewelry store lighting.


There are two great jewelers in NY and one great one in Long Island.

First up is Engagement Rings Direct and Id Jewelry (you can look up their websites). And in Long Island is GOG.
 
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Haha. That bad huh?

Thanks Gypsy. Those seem nice but would those knots, crystals and clouds right on the table all be visible with the naked eye? I can see them in the round view video of the diamond on the website, especially the second one with the knot.

Looks like b2c jewels is based out of NYC and has a large selection on their website that matches my general criteria. Do they have a storefront or is it just an office that does online sales?
 
PaulTNJ|1399692879|3669523 said:
Haha. That bad huh?

Thanks Gypsy. Those seem nice but would those knots, crystals and clouds right on the table all be visible with the naked eye? I can see them in the round view video of the diamond on the website, especially the second one with the knot.

Looks like b2c jewels is based out of NYC and has a large selection on their website that matches my general criteria. Do they have a storefront or is it just an office that does online sales?
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You are looking at those diamonds at 40x magnification. You are talking about something slightly larger than a pencil eraser. Both are likely to be eyeclean to the naked eye. You would just have to ask if they are. Their gemologist will pull it and check it out for you!

I don't know about any B2C brick and mortar location. But you can call and ask them.
 
B2C mostly has virtual stones listed. If there is a sample photo, that likely means they don't have the stone in-house.

You need to use the HCA and eliminate stones like the first one you posted. In some cases we might go a little over 2.0 if there is an idealscope image on the stone, but there's no way we'd recommend one with a score of over 4!

Good examples, Gypsy!
 
Here's one to try at B2C.

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-5031457-2.01-carat-Round-diamond-H-color-SI1-Clarity.aspx?sku=5031457&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com Twining wisps are the main grade setting inclusion. So it has a good chance of being eyeclean.

Nice spread good angles.

This one too: http://images.b2cjewels.com/Images//Certificate//5015761.pdf Ask to make sure the twinning wisps coupled with teh fluorescence isn't creating any haze. If they are not, then this one could be another good deal for you.

Call them. And ask for an idealscope and an actual image of the stone.
 
That 2.01 H SI1 at b2c looks like a great deal if it is eye clean. And it scores a 1.1 on HCA with X X X VG. Think that may have jumped to the top of my list if it is eye clean.

Thanks again
 
First off, please do some studying prior to making a final decision. GIA is the industry standard for color and clarity, but frankly, they reek at cut grading.

Such a high percentage of the diamonds being cut today qualify for Excellent cut grade that it is a complete joke of a grade. Many of the diamonds that have an excellent cut grade are disgraceful looking diamonds to everyone but the vendors of those stones who proudly point to the GIA paper as the Holy Grail of proving their undying love for you while sticking many extra dollars in their pocket because you are willing to drink the Kool Aid without understanding what it is really telling you.

There are many great vendors here who have good to excellent tutorials on their sites and there is a wealth of information here about it as well. Even if a paper has great numbers, you will need at the least an idealscope image to show you how precisely, or not precisely those numbers were reached. Please learn and remember that GIA rounds things off greatly too, so in many cases their average numbers are just a lot of bad angles that average out to be pretty good. Unfortunately, it is like the old joke, if you have one foot in a bucket of ice water and the other foot in an open fire, on average you are NOT comfortable.

If you are really interested in beauty then you are going to want to learn as much as you can about cutting, and trust me, the extra money that you spend for a well cut diamond will be well worth it. That first diamond you looked at is going to be lifeless and dull as soon as you get it out of the jewelry store lighting, and much worse indeed when it gets even the slightest bit dirty.

Just my thoughts on a yucky rainy Saturday morning...

Wink
 
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